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The World Assembly:

RECOGNIZING the need for every nation to have a role model for their citizens, especially the children;

REALIZING that a national hero can and will provide a sense of national integrity and unity; and

PROMOTING the notion of a national hero in every country to further the nationalistic feelings in every citizen.

Therefore, the Far-Reaching Holy Empire of Windica proposes that:

1. A national hero shall be chosen for every nation;

2. The national hero must be able to embody the ideal citizen of the state, has a record of good morals and right conduct, not be involved in any criminal case, stands for the ideals and values of the state, and above all, be a patriotic, nationalistic citizen of the nation.

3. The national hero must also be:
-a native citizen of his/her nation(not naturalized)
-has done something very heroic for his/her country. This might be fighting in the freedom forces, encouraging the populace to revolt against a tyrant by writing, etc.
-is dead to prevent abuse of status
-has died a graceful and heroic death, maybe shot in a war or executed for his/her cause.

4. The national hero will be chosen by the national legislature of the country.

5. All schools in the country shall be required to teach the life and works(if any) of the national hero, preferably in a separate course for one year. All colleges will also be required to do the same as a subject in every course.

6. Above all, the purpose of the national hero should be served; he/she must be the standard of moral excellence. He/she will also be the role model for the children of the nation for them to grow up as patriotic and good citizens of the nation in a local, national, and global scene.

Proposed this 24th of October, A.D. 2009

can anyone suggest any more provisions? Oh yeah, please tell your Regional Delegates to vote for this also. Thanks.

Ummmm. Category and (possibly) strength.

I'm not following why this is an international issue, but I can tell you this. Your proposal is illegal for branding.

Therefore, the Far-Reaching Holy Empire of Windica proposes that:

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Windica wrote:The World Assembly:

RECOGNIZING the need for every nation to have a role model for their citizens, especially the children;

REALIZING that a national hero can and will provide a sense of national integrity and unity; and

PROMOTING the notion of a national hero in every country to further the nationalistic feelings in every citizen.

Here in Stash Kroh we fear nationalism, its an evil tribulation that the international world as a whole must overcome to become harmonious. At one time, our old emperor, Derscarpe II, was in every prolific painting, song, sonnet and play. He was our hero, and our greatest love... the image of him, gallantly riding his white horse was the sweet nectar of propaganda which he nursed us with to great health as a nation. Under the romanticism of his political influence, we invaded other nations under his name, and we were fueled politically to radicalism. Patriotism was a dangerous catalyst for worldly tensions, radical changes in government, and hatred among brothers.

2. The national hero must be able to embody the ideal citizen of the state, has a record of good morals and right conduct, not be involved in any criminal case, stands for the ideals and values of the state, and above all, be a patriotic, nationalistic citizen of the nation.

Good morals, and no criminal history is hardly representative of the ideals and values of Stash Kroh... for example, our great hero, Derscarpe II, was depicted in many paintings stealing the fruit symbolically from peasants. "Stealing from the poor, and giving to the Rich" was at one time even our nation's motto. He was truly a great Stash Krohean.

I myself have read many documents by him while in political science courses attending my senior year at Dorxiford, and have been inspired throughout my life to live like he suggested we all should. Just today, I stole the change from a homeless bum outside of the WA, and beat the living crap out of him -- participating in my nation's patriotic rituals just makes me feel all gooey, and homey inside.

-has died a graceful and heroic death, maybe shot in a war or executed for his/her cause.

Yes, because all great people are martyrs -- and all martyrs are great people.
Let's just forget about all those who died of old age, battling the flu, or slipping in the shower -- we need a true HERO.

4. The national hero will be chosen by the national legislature of the country.

You haven't meant the Stash Krohean legislature apparently or else it would read like this...

4. The national hero will be chosen by the national legislature of the country, pending a barrage of political dissent and elections which will leave the issue undecided almost forever.

Above all, the purpose of the national hero should be served; he/she must be the standard of moral excellence. He/she will also be the role model for the children of the nation for them to grow up as patriotic and good citizens of the nation in a local, national, and global scene.

There's nothing you can say, that can't be unsaid.
There's nothing you can do, that can't be undone.
There's nothing you can read, that can't be unread.
There's no martyr you can worship, that can't be tortured and propagated against.
Its easy if you try...

All you need is love for Big Brother!
Love is all you need, LOVE IS ALL NEED.

I LOVE BIG BROTHER!!!

While we do have several persons who are well respected and even revered in a few cases, we do not require the WA to mandate to us that we need choose any one person in particular. The Kingdom will vote against any such proposal.

Honoured ambassador to Windica,

I am concerned about the possibility of the draft being an ideology shifting policy, because in our country there is no need to pledge allegiance to a particular hero, because there are too many to be honoured. I am also not sure about the criteria, because some people considered as heroic may be still living.

Yours etc,

Therefore, the Far-Reaching Holy Empire of Windica proposes that:

Well fairly certain that makes it illegal for branding but...

To ask a nation to choose one person arbitrarily to brand as a hero, is simply silly. We have hundreds of war veterans who are worthy of the distinction, we have scientists who have made major break-throughs in the area of disease research, leaders that have brought our nation through dark times, social workers who have helps hundreds of people, why would we want to single out one particular citizen?

Our schools talk of many different heroes in the hopes that our students will inspire to be like them, soldiers, doctors, scientist, common citizens who raised themselves and do good with the talents that have developed.

In the USP we have a national holiday where we honor those who we consider heroes. We take the day to reflect on those who have died for our nations, and those who continue to live for it. We believe this is a national issue, and should remain one.

Bergnovinaia wrote:Ummmm. Category and (possibly) strength.

This would be an Education and Creativity proposal, but presumably, member nations already know how to honor their own heroes and don't need the WA telling them how to do it.

We also have an issue with the requirement that national heroes be citizens. Technically, individual members of the royal family have a rather different status.

Gobbannium wrote:We also have an issue with the requirement that national heroes be citizens. Technically, individual members of the royal family have a rather different status.

"And although my nation is only 'observing' this organisation now, without actually holding membership within it, we would also have some objections to this point that I shall explain now as they might be relevant for some nations that are members _
Firstly, what if the 'national hero' whom a nation's people (or, at least, their leaders) would prefer to name under this 'Act' lived -- and died -- before that nation as such actually came into existence? What if, for example, they performed their heroic deeds and suffered their heroic death during a war to gain that country independence from some foreign power... or if they were from one of several smaller nations that subsequently merged to form this one?
And secondly, what if a member nation is -- like my own homeland -- a fairly loose Confederation in which a person can only hold actual 'citizenship' -- as distinct from the broader classification of 'nationality -- within one or another of that Confederation's constituent units rather than in the Confederation itself as a whole?"


Borrin o Redwood,
Chief Observer at the World Assembly
for
The High Council of Clans,
The Confederated Clans of the Free Bears of Bears Armed.

Windica wrote:...has a record of good morals and right conduct...

Good morals and right conduct according to which ideology? In New Olwe, porn stars are treated as heroes and role models... if this is a backdoor attempt to force Christian morals down the WA's throat, we're obviously going to vote against it.

Alyssa Locke, Olwean Ambassador to the WA

New Olwe wrote:

Windica wrote:...has a record of good morals and right conduct...

Good morals and right conduct according to which ideology? In New Olwe, porn stars are treated as heroes and role models... if this is a backdoor attempt to force Christian morals down the WA's throat, we're obviously going to vote against it.

It is generally considered that if something is not obvious, it is up to national governments to clarify matters how they will. Please don't let us deter you from your opposition to this insufficiently thought-through proposal, though!

I think every nation's government should have the task of honoring their own heroes as they want without it becoming a WA issue. Respectfully of course.

The Halseyist Faction already enjoys worshipping Admiral Halsey, and so enjoys the oppertunity to push legislation that unfairly intervenes with the lives and government of citizens of other nations upon them. Every additional piece of beuracratic nonsense makes rival nations slowly less efficenet, and thus, less of a threat.

Windica wrote:-has died a graceful and heroic death, maybe shot in a war or executed for his/her cause.

We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

Goobergunchia wrote: We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

That is certainly a good point. Spending a lifetime in the pursuit of peace and prosperity in the service of ones nation is indeed a noteworthy acomplishment.

Grays Harbor wrote:

Goobergunchia wrote: We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

That is certainly a good point. Spending a lifetime in the pursuit of peace and prosperity in the service of ones nation is indeed a noteworthy acomplishment.

I agree.

Goobergunchia wrote:We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

Securing lasting peace and prosperity usually requires combat of some sort. Take the national heroes of America, for example... George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. are heroes because they fought a war to secure lasting peace and prosperity. Those things don't just happen... you've gotta fight for them.

To be frank, I think this is not a matter that the WA should waste time on. This should be left to each individual nation to decide on. I do not support this proposal.

New Olwe wrote:

Goobergunchia wrote:We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

Securing lasting peace and prosperity usually requires combat of some sort. Take the national heroes of America, for example... George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. are heroes because they fought a war to secure lasting peace and prosperity. Those things don't just happen... you've gotta fight for them.

That is very true, however, there are also other national heroes who made considerable impact without having to fight, such as Albert Einstein, G.W. Carver, Samuel Clemens, Helen Keller, and Booker T Washington. A country needs both .

Grays Harbor wrote:

New Olwe wrote:

Goobergunchia wrote:We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

Securing lasting peace and prosperity usually requires combat of some sort. Take the national heroes of America, for example... George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. are heroes because they fought a war to secure lasting peace and prosperity. Those things don't just happen... you've gotta fight for them.

That is very true, however, there are also other national heroes who made considerable impact without having to fight, such as Albert Einstein, G.W. Carver, Samuel Clemens, Helen Keller, and Booker T Washington. A country needs both .

I concur with Grays Harbor on this. You also could add Ghandi and others that i cant name at the top of my head at this time.

I suppose you're all probably correct, but I just can't see it. In New Olwe (and to me OOC), pacifism is a sign of weakness and disgrace.

This is a profoundly foolish proposal and we thank the delegation from Stash Kroh for so ably skewering its numerous deficiencies. We particularly object to the notion that promoting nationalistic feelings is a good thing. Furthermore, we find the idea that naturalised citizens cannot be considered a "national hero" to be highly offensive. If you have done great things for a nation it should not matter where you came from. Then we are forced to extensively propagandise our children.

Moreover, the standards for deciding a national hero are so ridiculously unrealistic that we wonder if there is indeed any person in the world's history, let alone ours, who would meet them. The idea of heroism may also be rather dependent on perspective. A hero to nation A may be the greatest villain to nation B.

New Olwe wrote:

Goobergunchia wrote:We wonder if "dying in one's bed" counts as a graceful and heroic death. We prefer to honor those who have secured lasting peace and prosperity for our nation.

Securing lasting peace and prosperity usually requires combat of some sort. Take the national heroes of America, for example... George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. are heroes because they fought a war to secure lasting peace and prosperity. Those things don't just happen... you've gotta fight for them.

OOC: You do realise that under the criteria those two wouldn't count because they didn't really die heroically?

There are many countries which achieved independence and sovereignty peacefully, through political agitation. Look north for an example. Combat also wasn't necessary for many countries today. Switzerland, for instance, seems to be doing pretty well.

Kelssek wrote:OOC: You do realise that under the criteria those two wouldn't count because they didn't really die heroically?

Point taken. Crispus Attucks, then.

There are many countries which achieved independence and sovereignty peacefully, through political agitation. Look north for an example. Combat also wasn't necessary for many countries today. Switzerland, for instance, seems to be doing pretty well.

Yeah, they're doing okay... for a bunch of pussies.

Kelssek wrote:There are many countries which achieved independence and sovereignty peacefully, through political agitation. Look north for an example. Combat also wasn't necessary for many countries today. Switzerland, for instance, seems to be doing pretty well.

But isn't their 'national hero' William Tell, from their early fight for freedom from Hapsburg control?