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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:55 pm

MOST scientists believe extraterestials exist

NOTING that there is a chance of an extraterestial invasion

BELIEVING that most World Assembly nations are not prepared for an ET invasion

DEFINING an Extraterestial Invasion as a alien race from a planet that is not ours making a[threat b[act of war c[or the detection of three or more unidentifiable craft.

THREAT is defined as a message from an ET race that either declares war or threatens a military presence in any WA nation

DEFINING act of war [AOW] as a attack or abduction on a WA nation

DEFINING detection of three or more unidentifiable craft as three Unidentified Flying Objects detected by government radar or by government witness

FOLLOWING one of the three types of ET Invasions all WA nations will transition a minimum of 75% of there defence forces to protect the citzens of ther region

THE nation who detected it will then have to contact all other nations about there discovery

THE contacted nations would have to do the same defence acts the other nations have done

FOLLOWING this all nations would then have to attempt to attack the UFO`s

FOLLOWING the landing of the ET ship, multiple military negotiators would then have to attempt to negotiate a peace deal

BELIEVING this would be unsuccesful, the remaining military members would go on the offensive

FOLLOWING the attack,all military would go on defence until there was outcome

ALL citzens would be recommended to stay away from the ET`s but can not be forced to stay away

The WA hereby passes the Extraterestial Defense Act
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Postby Ossitania » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:00 pm

Kid, you realise there are non-human nations in the WA right? Not all nations here are from the same planet, some of them are a planet unto themselves and some of them take up several planets or even galaxies. You're getting really ridiculous now.
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:01 pm

well theres some dumb laws passed and this will be one of them
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Postby Sanctaria » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:05 pm

Winner12345 wrote:well theres some dumb laws passed and this will be one of them

Yeah... No.

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Postby Tuthina » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:07 pm

Ossitania wrote:Kid, you realise there are non-human nations in the WA right? Not all nations here are from the same planet, some of them are a planet unto themselves and some of them take up several planets or even galaxies. You're getting really ridiculous now.

But does the Reasonable Nation Theory not apply to such circumstances? Otherwise I am pretty such half of the WA resolutions will be nullified in one way or another due to some quarks in space.

That said, yeah, this is a pretty dumb resolution.
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Postby Ossitania » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:21 pm

Tuthina wrote:
Ossitania wrote:Kid, you realise there are non-human nations in the WA right? Not all nations here are from the same planet, some of them are a planet unto themselves and some of them take up several planets or even galaxies. You're getting really ridiculous now.

But does the Reasonable Nation Theory not apply to such circumstances? Otherwise I am pretty such half of the WA resolutions will be nullified in one way or another due to some quarks in space.

That said, yeah, this is a pretty dumb resolution.


It depends on the situation. Here, the author is mandating that all WA member-states attack extraterrestrial visitors, which puts a serious downer on FT nations and those who interact with them because it means that we have to replace our customs and borders policy with BLOW EVERYTHING OUT OF THE SKY. So yeah, RNT wouldn't apply here, I think.
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:31 pm

Ossitania wrote:It depends on the situation. Here, the author is mandating that all WA member-states attack extraterrestrial visitors, which puts a serious downer on FT nations and those who interact with them because it means that we have to replace our customs and borders policy with BLOW EVERYTHING OUT OF THE SKY. So yeah, RNT wouldn't apply here, I think.

But it doesn't -

FOLLOWING one of the three types of ET Invasions all WA nations will transition a minimum of 75% of there defence forces to protect the citzens of ther region

THE nation who detected it will then have to contact all other nations about there discovery

THE contacted nations would have to do the same defence acts the other nations have done

FOLLOWING this all nations would then have to attempt to attack the UFO`s

FOLLOWING the landing of the ET ship, multiple military negotiators would then have to attempt to negotiate a peace deal

BELIEVING this would be unsuccesful, the remaining military members would go on the offensive


Oh wait, it kind of does, unless when it doesn't. So we attack the UFO before trying to negotiate for peace? That is probably the reason why it would be unsuccessful.

I suppose it is a bigger problem than RNT, then, namely that any proposal that involves blowing visitors from the sky is not a good one.
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:35 pm

Think of it this way people will think its so dumb then theyll think how usefull and funny .passed
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:37 pm

Winner12345 wrote:Think of it this way people will think its so dumb then theyll think how usefull and funny .passed

Well, I agree with the sentiment that it is dumb, but not the part about it being useful, or funny, for that matter.
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:40 pm

what about it being paased hey when it passes we wont have a problem with ET any more
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:43 pm

Winner12345 wrote:what about it being paased hey when it passes we wont have a problem with ET any more

Chances are that alien intelligence capable of reaching Earth (or wherever we are at now) would be far more advanced than humanity in general that trying to attack them would mean a swift death for humanity and civilisations on this watery rock ball.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:43 pm

Winner12345 wrote:when it passes

Since you're so confident your proposals will pass, why are you bothering with discussion? Since you're apparently totally unwilling to listen to criticism without resorting to the above line, I'd recommend you try that out first.

I think you'll find that our WA voters have an expectation of literacy which you're not meeting, and that they won't even make quorum. I'd wish you luck, but I don't think any of your proposals so far deserve any.

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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:45 pm

ok is it legal thopugh even if it might not get through
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Postby Tuthina » Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:49 pm

Winner12345 wrote:ok is it legal thopugh even if it might not get through

Seems unlikely, depending what exactly does "transition a minimum of 75% of there defence forces", for that might have something to do with WA military. I also think that micromanaging the military and government actions to that level might not be legal, but I am not sure.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:01 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't requiring nations to go to war under any circumstances blatantly illegal?
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Postby Winner12345 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 5:02 pm

Yeah it is so im dropping itNO MORE POSTS HERE THIS LAW IS DOA
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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:59 pm

I'm shocked that no one mentioned this.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:00 pm

Flibbleites wrote:I'm shocked that no one mentioned this.
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He has stated that he no longer intends to propose this.
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Postby Sovreignry » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:00 pm

Flibbleites wrote:I'm shocked that no one mentioned this.
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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:01 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:I'm shocked that no one mentioned this.
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He has stated that he no longer intends to propose this.

I know, but I'm still shocked that no one mentioned it.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:03 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:He has stated that he no longer intends to propose this.

I know, but I'm still shocked that no one mentioned it.

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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:06 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Flibbleites wrote:I know, but I'm still shocked that no one mentioned it.

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It's too easy. There's so much else to poke holes in, where's the fun with category and strength?

Well, for one, it helps immensely in judging legality.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:08 pm

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Wisconsin9 wrote:It's too easy. There's so much else to poke holes in, where's the fun with category and strength?

Well, for one, it helps immensely in judging legality.

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I know, but like I said, it's much more fun to rip the rest of it to shreds. Category and strength would just be way, way too easy.
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Postby Joey82 » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:09 pm

You assume that we will comply to this law where more then half of our entire military is on nothing more then guard patrol for a small chance that's less then probably 2% of seeing an ET? you'r a fool. That's all I'm going to say.

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Postby Zebian Syndicate » Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:23 pm

Ironically, this popped up while I was reading "Silly and/or Illegal GA Proposals. zOMG!"

As an FT nation, this is an absolute kick in the balls from sheer stupidity.
Let's break it down!

NOTING that there is a chance of an extraterestial invasion.

BELIEVING that most World Assembly nations are not prepared for an ET invasion

FT nations exist and are a part of the WA. These lines makes no sense!

DEFINING detection of three or more unidentifiable craft as three Unidentified Flying Objects detected by government radar or by government witness

"OHES NOES! THERE ARE (A flock of birds/meteor shower/space debris/ETC.) WE ARE BEING INVADED!"

FOLLOWING one of the three types of ET Invasions all WA nations will transition a minimum of 75% of there defence forces to protect the citzens of ther region

What about the guys without a military? And more importantly, Illegal since this either ends up as a WA military or micromanaging nations. And possibly screwing with a nation's economy and stats a bit,... It's a bit hard to tell what this is supposed to mean.

FOLLOWING this all nations would then have to attempt to attack the UFO`s

Do I even need to?

FOLLOWING the landing of the ET ship, multiple military negotiators would then have to attempt to negotiate a peace deal

If someone tried to bust a cap in my ass I would not be happy about it. At all. In fact, I'd bomb the little uppity pricks from orbit. And besides, micromanage(?) and contradictory to the rest of this proposal.

BELIEVING this would be unsuccesful, the remaining military members would go on the offensive

Then what was the whole point of the previous clause?

FOLLOWING the attack,all military would go on defence until there was outcome

My god,... grammar. And I don't exactly see how this would accomplish anything. (Since, again, I'd just snipe individual soldiers from space, and award between 10-20 points per kill. Highest score earns $50) Plus, "outcome" is undefined,... in fact, this isn't even a complete clause, let alone an actual sentence.

ALL citzens would be recommended to stay away from the ET`s but can not be forced to stay away

Do I have to? Not only is this a pointless clause that accomplishes nothing, but it acknowledges how pointless it is.



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