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I found a loophole in the "Restrictions on Child Labor" Act

Postby Alyekra » Thu May 03, 2012 4:52 pm

(D) Bans anyone under the age of consent from engaging in sexually explicit acts as a form of employment.


This leaves the age of consent to be decided by the Nations, so it could potentially be set to four years old or younger.

I'm not a member nation yet, so I can't do anything about it.
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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu May 03, 2012 4:54 pm

What is the observer from Alyekra's proposed universal definition of the age of consent? Please remember that not all citizens of WA member states are human.

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I found a loophole in the "Restrictions on Child Labor" Act

Postby Alyekra » Thu May 03, 2012 4:56 pm

Goobergunchia wrote:What is the observer from Alyekra's proposed universal definition of the age of consent? Please remember that not all citizens of WA member states are human.

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I propose one year after the average specimen of that species reaches sexual maturity.

EDIT: The Sexual Privacy Act has this about the age of consent:
(b) Each Nation can define an age of consent. Should a Nation fail to define an age of consent, the age of majority in use in said Nation shall apply. Should a Nation fail to establish an age of majority, the individual will be considered above the age of consent for the purposes of the previous paragraph if he/she has entered puberty.


I think we should revoke this and establish a universal age of consent.

DOUBLE EDIT: And by "We" I mean "You" :/
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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Thu May 03, 2012 6:04 pm

What? A loophole in World Assembly law?! :shock: Color me shocked. Shocked!
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Postby Alyekra » Thu May 03, 2012 6:56 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:You might want to search for prior threads on this subject. Also bear in mind that this is our third forum host, so we've only got threads from the last 2-3 years.


My apologies, I assumed that if someone else had seen it it would be fixed already. I will read through those threads in detail and see if I can fix whatever has stopped this loophole from being closed in the past once I am able to make propositions.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu May 03, 2012 9:10 pm

You can't enact a universal age of consent; there are far too many variables nation by nation. What Fris was trying to tell you is that this has been tried before, too many times to count, to typically disastrous results. Pretty much the only thing preventing member nations from abusing this law (by significantly lowering the age of consent/majority) are the ramifications for that nation's laws should they elect to pursue such a desperate course. They would have to allow five-year-olds to have sex, or even, if such practices are legal in their nation, sell their bodies for money. Since it is widely assumed national leaders don't want that to happen, few will try it. So in that sense a universal age of consent/majority is unneeded.
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Postby Quelesh » Thu May 03, 2012 11:27 pm

GAR4 doesn't actually require member states to have an age of majority or an age of consent, and it should not include such a requirement. The problem with GAR4 is that it attempts to force member states to use chronological age as a basis for eligibility for employment (and a possibly different chronological age for sex industry employment), rather than allowing member states to use bases other than chronological age to determine the capacity to engage in these activities.

That said, yes there is certainly a loophole. A member state that is so inclined could have no age of majority and no age of consent, and allow employers to employ anyone, regardless of the capacity to understand and consent to any hazards, in hazardous work or sex industry work. (Of course, GAR16 goes a bit further, and requires member states to actually enact an age of majority or age of consent and set the statutory age at zero in order to continue taking advantage of this loophole with regard to sexual activity.)

Quelesh utilizes the first part of this loophole (we have no age of majority, and our age of consent is set in statute to zero for the sole purpose of being in technical compliance with GAR16), but not the second (we require that any employer who employs people for hazardous work ensure that the employees fully understand the hazards involved and consent to being subject to them, and we have similar requirements for sexual activity - we simply use bases other than chronological age to determine the capacity to understand and consent).

We find it unfortunate that we must resort to a loophole in order to have non-age-based laws.

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Postby Neo Arcem » Fri May 04, 2012 8:07 am

What of a statistical solution?

Age of consent = (average age of maturity for species in question) - (1 standard deviation)

This is of course, not meant to be actually implemented, but merely a suggestion as to a format that may work.
Might want to add in something on average lifespan, for nations with higher mortality rates.
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