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Postby Quelesh » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:01 am

Swkoll wrote:
USI wrote:highest punishment

Torture followed by public execution for drinking? Sounds harsh.


Torture is already prohibited by GAR9.

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Ritzistan wrote:Um.... Even in real life the 21 years is American. In Canada it's 18, 12 with parental consent. Jewish people also give wine @ 12, when they become adults.

No, it differs with each Canadian Province, some are 18, most 19 and some at 20-21, the 12 yr. old thing isn;t true either.


OOC: According to Wikipedia, the drinking age in Canada is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec, and 19 in all other provinces and territories, but not 20 or 21 anywhere in Canada.
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Postby Dagguerro » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:38 am

You surely cannot be serious.

Against for many, many different reasons the main ones being: 21 years old is arbitrarily high, it is micromanagement of the most absurd level, it demands the "highest punishment" for people below the age drinking alcohol which in the case of many nations might be the death penalty and ((OOC: it is blatantly based on current US alcohol laws, which tend to be stricter than most of the rest of the world, and as such I don't even support the very idea behind this bill)).
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Postby USI » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:36 am

Prizyetsa wrote:Its good that you're trying to come out with a resolution, but unfortunately there are 2 major issues with this that make it a "bad resolution".

First off, the resolution deals with laws which differ from nation to nation, and would be an infringement on many nations' sovereignty which is not what the WA does. This resolution would also clash with many nation's cultures, such as mine for example, where it is customary to drink from a reasonably young age (16, just like my RL country).

The second issue is the length of the resolution. Although there are resolutions with two clauses, your resolution lacks preambleatory clauses which give reader some background information into why the resolution is at vote. For example, I would put this on the resolution to let people know why they are debating it: "Distressed that many nations allow underaged drinking to occur without issuing any punishment to those involved,". Of course that one isn't perfect, but it should give you a general idea of what I mean.





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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:39 pm

Quelesh wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:No, it differs with each Canadian Province, some are 18, most 19 and some at 20-21, the 12 yr. old thing isn;t true either.


OOC: According to Wikipedia, the drinking age in Canada is 18 in Alberta, Manitoba and Quebec, and 19 in all other provinces and territories, but not 20 or 21 anywhere in Canada.

Sorry, my bad, just trying to recall it off the top of my head.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:46 pm

I vote against. In a nation in which military training begins and age 16, and those trainees are taken effectively out of society until their 19th or 20th birthdays, why make them wait another year or even two after they have given three or four years of their lives to National Service? The age of adulthood is 18 in the People's Republic and the vast majority of other nations. Hence why all laws typically revolve around legalising substances for ages 18 and above.
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Postby Naboompu » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:27 pm

To whom it may concern:

I am strongly opposed to this resolution on the grounds that it is yet another course of action that increases governmental power at the expense of the individual. Why should the government be allowed to tell us what to do, especially since we can already vote, drive and even smoke? Moreover, the 'Big Brother' argument aside, this law has proved not only ineffective but actually detrimental to its cause: to reduce deaths related to drinking. The one nation with such a drinking age - the United States of America - has worse social problems, like a higher percentage of deaths per capita from drunk driving. From an economic standpoint, it is an expensive legislation to enforce and still is ineffective in preventing people under the age of 21 from drinking. I firmly support a drinking age of 16, modelled after European nations, which have the fewest problems involving or related to drinking; however, I believe it is a domestic (rather than international) issue. As it is, in my opinion, an issue of national sovereignty, Naboompu is firmly opposed to any kind of legislation on this matter.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:20 pm

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Postby Auralia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:21 pm

Opposed - micromanagement.
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:16 pm

Opposed for a number of significant reasons.
  • It is difficult and somewhat silly to isloate a specific drug from all other types of drugs for specific resolutions. Traditionally anti-alcohol laws were pushed by religious zealots who wanted to oppress some other religion. I do know of several religions who use alcohol in religious ceremonies that are shared with those under 21.
  • The age of 21 is exceptionally arbitrary; I can easily see arguments both for a higher age and a lower age and that doesn't count the non homo sapien members of the WA.
  • The thought of giving it the "maximum sentence" is moronic since there is no definition of what maximum is. That effectively makes that part of the resoltion toothless.
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Postby Teaz Ceriously Independent » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:38 pm

I think that alcohol should be able to be consumed by 18 year old and up. i mean if you are suppose to get your own health insurance then you should be able to handle drinking! :meh: :clap: :clap:

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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:49 pm

We've got our drunk kids well under control, well, sort of, as much as any drunks are under control. Still, every country deals with them differently. Some of them prohibit alcohol entirely, others have no legal constraints. There's no one solution to this perceived "problem" that will work across international borders.

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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:11 pm

Probably the first time we've ever said this:

This is not an international issue.

∴ We are opposed.
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Postby GonzoNationofFreedom » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:21 pm

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Postby Cinistra » Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:36 am

Swkoll wrote:
USI wrote: highest punishment

Torture followed by public execution for drinking? Sounds harsh.

That was the only thing that could have made me support this resolution. But still, no.
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Alchohol consumption only for ages 21 and above

Postby Peoples Empire » Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:26 pm

That would be a clear violation of my nations sovereignty. Even if it did pass every body in my nation would probably riot, and I have enough problems with them already.

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Postby USI » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:10 am

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
USI wrote:This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.
Why 21 and in what years is this being counted in?

Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.So the death penalty for anyone underage drinking communion wine or having a sip of beer?



"Wine" does not contain alcohol!

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Postby Lemonacia » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:34 am

USI wrote:This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.


Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.




Opposed. Poorly written, and, in my opinion, a domestic matter. There's far too much variety in opinion for you to get this through, especially considering the number of nations that take pleasure from their lower drinking ages. Although, I might be onboard if you keep the mandatory alcohol consumption in. :rofl:

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Postby Linux and the X » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:34 am

USI wrote:"Wine" does not contain alcohol!

Since when does wine not contain alcohol? It is the result of fermentation.
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Postby Flibbleites » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:34 am

USI wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:



"Wine" does not contain alcohol!

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