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Alcohol Consumption only for ages 21 and above.

Postby USI » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:06 pm

This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.


Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.

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Postby Linux and the X » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:19 pm

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Postby Safed » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:21 am

No, as that would seem a purely American law. In the UK the drinking age is 18, which, as a 20 year old is much better. This is because the attitude is in general more relaxed. If people start with the occasional drink at a young age (I was about 14 I think, tbh I don't remember) then they will not feel the same pressure to drink when they are old enough. It also removes the pressure when underage to go mad whenever you do get alcohol, leading to greater responsibility.

Likewise, I think it should be an issue from nation to nation, as the drinking age reflects the values of the nation in question, for instance, in France people start drinking much younger but with their parents, for example having a glass of wine with a meal. This works in the French system, imposing a drinking ban up to 21 in all countries is a removal of nation's rights and gives no consideration to the nations themselves or their ideologies.

Also, JAIL? Really? For drinking underage? I don't know how you do things but here the most people get is a fine

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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:21 am

In the Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats, this is a diocesan issue. Each diocese determines its own legal drinking age. Currently, drinking ages in the country range from 16 to 21 years of age. In the capital, the drinking age is 16 for beer and wine and 18 for all other alcoholic beverages. The people of my country believe that this is a local issue that should be handled neither by the national government nor by an international body; therefore, we express our opposition to this General Assembly proposal. Furthermore, the cultures of member nations vary to such a degree that we believe it would be imprudent to impose a single view on all peoples under the jurisdiction of this Assembly on this particular issue. In short, we firmly believe that regulation of the recreational consumption of alcohol is not an appropriate international issue. We strongly suggest that you abandon this proposal.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:25 am

USI wrote: This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Mandatory alcohol if above 21? That could be worded better.


USI wrote:Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.

Why 21? What about non-human peoples who do not share a life expectency with humans?


USI wrote:Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.

Highest Penalty? Oh, this could be amusing for nations with the death penalty. Underage drinking? Off With His Head!

All in all, this is really not anything the WA needs concern itself with, at all. There are a few issues which are truly local and/or national in scope and not an international issue. This is one of them, and right near the top of the list even.
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Postby Prizyetsa » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:41 am

Its good that you're trying to come out with a resolution, but unfortunately there are 2 major issues with this that make it a "bad resolution".

First off, the resolution deals with laws which differ from nation to nation, and would be an infringement on many nations' sovereignty which is not what the WA does. This resolution would also clash with many nation's cultures, such as mine for example, where it is customary to drink from a reasonably young age (16, just like my RL country).

The second issue is the length of the resolution. Although there are resolutions with two clauses, your resolution lacks preambleatory clauses which give reader some background information into why the resolution is at vote. For example, I would put this on the resolution to let people know why they are debating it: "Distressed that many nations allow underaged drinking to occur without issuing any punishment to those involved,". Of course that one isn't perfect, but it should give you a general idea of what I mean.

Good try though, its good to see new nations trying to get involved! If you want any help in the future, feel free to run thngs past me if you like. :)

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Postby Four Elements Duty Free Zone » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:08 am

After much discussion, we've come to a conclusion.

Air opposes this human centric bill. The strictly set age of twenty-one doesn't fit for many other races. For example, a beorc of twenty-one is considered a mere child.

Water opposes for similar reasons.

Earth abstains. as they support the outright ban of alcohol.

Resulting in: Strong opposition.

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Postby The Mooo Cows » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:35 am

To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years


This makes no sense at all!

Likewise, I think it should be an issue from nation to nation, as the drinking age reflects the values of the nation in question, for instance, in France people start drinking much younger but with their parents, for example having a glass of wine with a meal. This works in the French system, imposing a drinking ban up to 21 in all countries is a removal of nation's rights and gives no consideration to the nations themselves or their ideologies.


We are in agreement with the Ambassador of Safed. We see no need for such a resolution in the WA.

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Postby Zaklen » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:44 am

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:36 am

USI wrote:This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.
Why 21 and in what years is this being counted in?

Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.So the death penalty for anyone underage drinking communion wine or having a sip of beer?
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Postby Quelesh » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:42 am

We will not support the enshrining of age limits in WA law under any circumstances whatsoever. Opposed.

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Postby Yannia » Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:52 am

USI wrote:Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.

You need to rethink this. I seriously doubt you mean to make a life sentence (or a death sentence) mandatory for underage drinking.
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Postby Hirota » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:18 am

Prizyetsa wrote:and would be an infringement on many nations' sovereignty which is not what the WA does.

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Of course we infringe on nations sovereignty - every single resolution does that because every single member of the WA has joined and allowed it to do that.

What varies is the amount of outrage to each resolution by the membership and the justification for the resolution compared to how many nations cry about it.
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Postby Drunken Teenagers » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:52 am

OPPOSED!!!

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Postby Ritzistan » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:59 am

USI wrote:This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.


Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.



Um.... Even in real life the 21 years is American. In Canada it's 18, 12 with parental consent. Jewish people also give wine @ 12, when they become adults.



This resolution is just Comunazi American Imperialist Nonsense, in my very humble opinion. It is stupid. (Even in the USA conscription in times of war happens @ as young as 17... so you can die for you country but not drink>>>?????? that's dumb.
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Postby Opaloka » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:08 am

Drunken Teenagers wrote:OPPOSED!!!


LoL! & agreed, the WA should have better things to do.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:58 pm

Ritzistan wrote:
USI wrote:This proposal is based on: To make Alcohol consumption mandatory only for ages 21 years and above. Below 21 years would lead to judicially scrutinizing the respected person and legally jailed.

Article 1: The World Assembly makes it mandatory for all the nation members to allow Liquor or Alcohol consumption only for people aged 21 years and above.


Article 2: If persons below the age of 21 years caught consuming liquor or alcohol would be prosecuted legally and awarded the highest punishment of their respective countries.



Um.... Even in real life the 21 years is American. In Canada it's 18, 12 with parental consent. Jewish people also give wine @ 12, when they become adults.


No, it differs with each Canadian Province, some are 18, most 19 and some at 20-21, the 12 yr. old thing isn;t true either.
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Postby Three Weasels » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:16 pm

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Um, no. 18 is our age of adulthood and etc. in Lanos. Setting the alcohol-consumption age to 21 would be downright unconstitutional not to mention all those in the 18-21 age group disenfranchised by this idea would vote those responsible for that law out faster than you can say "YOLO!" in a crowded nightclub. Also, why set the age to 21...come on. Is there any benefit to that idea? I hear over in the World We Cannot Reach that the only superpower there has a significant issue with under-21s having serious alcohol problems. If only we could get their studies and show how bad of an idea this is...

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Postby Swkoll » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:04 pm

USI wrote: highest punishment

Torture followed by public execution for drinking? Sounds harsh.
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Postby Destertium » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:31 pm

Hirota wrote:
Prizyetsa wrote:and would be an infringement on many nations' sovereignty which is not what the WA does.


Of course we infringe on nations sovereignty - every single resolution does that because every single member of the WA has joined and allowed it to do that.

What varies is the amount of outrage to each resolution by the membership and the justification for the resolution compared to how many nations cry about it.


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Postby Arkiasis » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:59 pm

So an 18 year old may serve and die for their country, marry, and buy a home, but they cannot consume alcohol for another 3 years? OPPOSED.
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:33 am

Not only would this contain major health effects it discriminates against people under 21 and gives the nation no choice in the matter. Or long story short OPPOSED.
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Postby Neo Arcem » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:23 am

In my fatherland, we support moral control of the populace. A populace uncontrolled will act in unacceptable ways.
That said, the question here is whether it is the duty of the WA to mandate this particular control for all member nations; this Arcem questions, on multiple grounds. Firstly, as stated already, in that it is more a localized duty to control the populace. Secondly, that issues created by drunken underage individuals will ultimately affect only the nation in which such issues occur, and as such it is the responsibility and right of that nation to decide its own policy. Thirdly, mandating the fullest consequences possible interferes with the sovereign nations judiciary, and impairs their courts.

If I may suggest, should you wish to present a bill, make it an international issue; perhaps on the drunken conduct of ex-patriots or on the consequences of drunken action in international arenas.
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