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Bahgum
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Founded: Dec 18, 2003
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Postby Bahgum » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:28 am

No, this could lead to the first mother in law in space, and really...they are enough trouble here, nevermind floating about above us, looking down and seeing all. No no no!

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New Babylonia
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Founded: Oct 14, 2011
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Postby New Babylonia » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:45 am

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Puissancevise wrote:Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

But it will affect them, as all WA proposals affect all WA member nations according to the Category and Strength of the proposal ... which I notice has been conveniently left off of this one.

In the WA, if you don't have a Category and Strength/AoE, you don't have a proposal ... you just have an essay. Start with that before you ask for additional edits.



It most definetely will affect them. Because now they have other worldly beings taking planets, and now these people may pose a threat to their further colonization. So they may not be to keen on this.
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Postby Novus Niciae » Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:00 pm

Puissancevise wrote:Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

Does anyone have any ideas on maybe how to re-word it to make it more.... Official?


The way I read it , it strongly encourages those with the tech to go and start expanding.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:51 pm

Novus Niciae wrote:
Puissancevise wrote:Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

Does anyone have any ideas on maybe how to re-word it to make it more.... Official?


The way I read it , it strongly encourages those with the tech to go and start expanding.


I don't see why the WA needs to micromanage this much....
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Vokenic
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Founded: Feb 19, 2012
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Postby Vokenic » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:16 pm

This seems like an interesting and good idea though the execution is not perfect. I would suggest going along with what the envoy from Lucian De Mundo proposed. Instead of each nation doing this on its on, the WA pools its resources in a collective effort. The WA would then build the space stations so that nations themselves would not have to bear the full cost. I also support it because not only would it deal with overpopulation but think of all the resources we could mine off world! what ever we invest into this project we shall surely get a tleast 10x back.
As for those nations with out the advance enough tech or money to invest heavily in this WA project, not all nations would have to. Each would help out the best it can through money, researchers, materials, land for testing and so. This is the kind of dream big stuff this body should be doing instead of meddling with banal affairs that it so often finds itself debating. Many nations are already developing some sort of way to either put people or weapons in space, why not use the WA to work together and ensure that it is a peaceful and profitable process?

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Zebian Syndicate
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Founded: Apr 07, 2011
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Postby Zebian Syndicate » Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:53 pm

Still more people who don't get how the WA works? Good lord,... there needs to be some kind of screening committee.

This seems like an interesting and good idea though the execution is not perfect. I would suggest going along with what the envoy from Lucian De Mundo proposed. Instead of each nation doing this on its on, the WA pools its resources in a collective effort. The WA would then build the space stations so that nations themselves would not have to bear the full cost.

Whilst like it had been suggested that there be a pool is a good idea, it also sucks. I certainly would not and will not pay from my hard earned budget just so some back water country could ship it's undesirable expats into space, and polluting the universe with undeserving and worthless colonist who probably don't understand the basic functions of quarks.
That's not considering the fact that they would simply crowd up space, taking promising planets that could be much, much, MUCH better used by people who knew how to use them and who actually had the resources to do so, and not let go to waste while the same happens to every single other planet. Plus, it'd just be asking for all out war on the WA.

I also support it because not only would it deal with overpopulation but think of all the resources we could mine off world! what ever we invest into this project we shall surely get a tleast 10x back.

Another problem is that there is no way to actually profit from it period. As it would be a joint effort, no one would be entitled to any of the profits. In fact, it would likely not be able to run any mining operation at all as it it not designed to do so and does not have the capability to do so. Nations clamoring for the resources would fight and squabble further complicating and damaging the profit to the point that it would instead become a drain. Remember, mining in space is extremely complicated. And everything in space requires much more refined and high quality equipment to function when you hit the space front. You'd likely blow an entire MT nation's budget just getting to the asteroid field. Not even counting the actual mining and bringing it back to the squabbling super powers after the payload.

As for those nations with out the advance enough tech or money to invest heavily in this WA project, not all nations would have to. Each would help out the best it can through money, researchers, materials, land for testing and so. This is the kind of dream big stuff this body should be doing instead of meddling with banal affairs that it so often finds itself debating. Many nations are already developing some sort of way to either put people or weapons in space, why not use the WA to work together and ensure that it is a peaceful and profitable process?

The way I read it , it strongly encourages those with the tech to go and start expanding.

If it's a WA resolution, all nations have too. That's the way the WA works. Learns it is say! Shouldn't the WA be more concerned about keeping atrocities from being committed, or making sure the world is stable enough not to degenerate in a massive dick waving contest before we try an institute mandatory space colonization?

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Boulia
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Founded: Feb 12, 2012
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Postby Boulia » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:19 pm

we could be like the alliance from mass effect only with less guns. totally for this!!

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Shotgun91
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Founded: Aug 22, 2008
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Postby Shotgun91 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:02 am

I for one can tell you the nation of Shotgun91 is against this proposal.

Reasons to follow:
MANDATES member nations to research the highest level of space sciences available, and continue advancing in space technology;


This forces nations to go up! Some nations cannot afford to do this as they're still growing! This is not fair to the third world nations who cannot support this.

FURTHER MANDATES that member nations with the appropriate technology actively search for a possible destination for colonization.


What if our leaders are against it? What if our PEOPLE are against it?

EVEN FURTHER MANDATES that member nations that have the technology to colonize other bodies in space, have found a destination for possible colonization, and have concerns of overpopulation begin preparations for colonization;


Again I say what I said the last reason. What if our leaders and people are against it? What if we are not exploding out the arse with population?!

ALLOWS these mandates to be achieved either privately or publicly;


You aren't taking in consideration that some nations do not have a high technology yield with their economy's.

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