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Space Colonization Act[DRAFT]

Postby Puissancevise » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:20 pm

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The World Assembly,

NOTING the world population is still growing at an alarming rate;

CONCERNED for the continued survival of our species;

CONVINCED that it is time to colonize other bodies in space;

HEREBY

MANDATES member nations to research the highest level of space sciences available, and continue advancing in space technology;

FURTHER MANDATES that member nations with the appropriate technology actively search for a possible destination for colonization.

EVEN FURTHER MANDATES that member nations that have the technology to colonize other bodies in space, have found a destination for possible colonization, and have concerns of overpopulation begin preparations for colonization;

ALLOWS these mandates to be achieved either privately or publicly;


This is only the base. Any suggestions to improvements will be appreciated greatly.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:22 pm

What if nations don't want to further expand into space? Not every space empire has the manpower to govern yet another planet.
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Postby Puissancevise » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:25 pm

Astrolinium wrote:What if nations don't want to further expand into space? Not every space empire has the manpower to govern yet another planet.

It doesn't have to be another planet. It could be a moon or an asteroid. Even a space station. As long as they try to do something.
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Postby Astrolinium » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:28 pm

Puissancevise wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:What if nations don't want to further expand into space? Not every space empire has the manpower to govern yet another planet.

It doesn't have to be another planet. It could be a moon or an asteroid. Even a space station. As long as they try to do something.


And what if there's more than enough space already? Why should they spread themselves thin? If you don't want to talk about space empires, talk about Astrolinium. There's only 2,076 of us here and plenty of room to expand on our island; why should we bother with a space colony?
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Postby Zaklen » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:36 pm

Finally, you propose something I can agree with. Although, I would recommend removing the MANDATE on preparing for colonization. Some nations may object to being forced to relocate their citizens. I would also add a clause regarding helping nations that lack the necessary technology with either colonizing, or obtaining the technology themselves.

In terms of domestic support, the only Zaklenites who would be opposed to this are the members of that bizarre cult that believes the universe only contains Earth, and anything else is just an illusion placed by God. Thankfully, that cult only has about 500 members in Zaklen, and their membership is dropping.
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Postby Puissancevise » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:45 pm

Puissancevise wrote:EVEN FURTHER MANDATES that member nations that have the technology to colonize other bodies in space, have found a destination for possible colonization, and have concerns of overpopulation begin preparations for colonization;


How's that?
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Postby Zaklen » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:05 pm

Slightly better.
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Postby Zebian Syndicate » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:16 pm

PT, MT, PMT, FT, FanT,... what does it matter?

As a resolution, it over steps it's boundaries immensely.
Let's look at this just from a MT/PMT perspective, (since it's impossible for PT, and absolutely ridiculous for FanT)
Aside from the fact that researching this technology is lol expensive in the first place, it only serves to make an absolute mess of things. With every country individually pursuing it's own space program, a huge number of vastly different systems will be created, most if not all of which will be incompatible with each other unless member nations take the time to solve this issue and create their own standards for scientific engineering.
Another sector it fails at miserably is taking into account the differences in every nation's infrastructure. I want to see you try and enforce this in a third world country,... And just imagine all the issues that will spring up everywhere because this thing is so inconsiderate!
But the real hate'n comes from the simple fact that it violates a nation's sovereignty. Specifically, it undermines a government's authority to control itself. Are you telling me how I should be spending my resources? You most certainly are. What gives the WA the right to dictate a member nation's budget? Nothing.

It also forces a viewpoint not shared by everyone upon those who don't want it. Anyone who agrees with this resolution should (or rather, is, unless they are incompetent.) already be doing this. Therefore, this resolution is entirely redundant in it's goal,... and only serves to force a philosophy upon those who do not wish to, or are unable to, commit resources to a goal they may or may not see as futile.


From an FT stand point, this is absolutely absurd! It would literally accomplish nothing. At all. Not even the aforementioned violation of sovereignty.
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Postby The Mole People » Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:26 pm

Why waste precious resources colonizing outer space? If our population gets crowded, we just dig a little deeper underground. It's a far more timely and cost-effective solution than what you propose.

We don't care if your nation wants to waste time and energy getting to space. But don't make us waste our resources, especially when we have a much better national strategy for dealing with overcrowding.

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Postby Zebian Syndicate » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:11 pm

The Mole People wrote:Why waste precious resources colonizing outer space? If our population gets crowded, we just dig a little deeper underground. It's a far more timely and cost-effective solution than what you propose.

We don't care if your nation wants to waste time and energy getting to space. But don't make us waste our resources, especially when we have a much better national strategy for dealing with overcrowding.


Well put good chap! :hug:

Just a word of warning though,... watch out.
Right about when you hit the 2 mile mark, you should start getting lol-crap-mutationz!11!!! level radiation.
You probably won't have mutant mole people,...
But you will get cancer.
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Postby Gnomewatchers » Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:54 pm

Zebian Syndicate wrote:Just a word of warning though,... watch out.
Right about when you hit the 2 mile mark, you should start getting lol-crap-mutationz!11!!! level radiation.
You probably won't have mutant mole people,...
But you will get cancer.

Gnomes go much deeper than two miles, and I don't think it's appropriate to call the genetically-stable height-challenged 'mutants'. Please confine future insensitive comments to your own nation's chambers, as some of us are wont to take umbrage.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:03 pm

We believe space exploration is a good thing. We do not believe, however, that mandated WA space exploration is a good idea. We really do not believe that mandated space colonies is a good idea.
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:15 am

Puissancevise wrote:CONVINCED that it is time to colonize other bodies in space;

Time to? Aren't you a bit late?

FURTHER MANDATES that member nations with the appropriate technology actively search for a possible destination for colonization.

You are a bit out of date, aren't you?

EVEN FURTHER MANDATES

Unusual phrasing, but I love it.
that member nations that have the technology to colonize other bodies in space, have found a destination for possible colonization, and have concerns of overpopulation begin preparations for colonization;

Begun, carried through.

So, all in all; a great proposal, except not entirely appropriate for all member states and open to so much interpretation as to be toothless. So, if it comes up for a vote; we will gladly vote for.
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Postby Ularn » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:28 am

Also, if your justification for this is that Earth is becoming overpopulated, then colonising space isn't going to help that. In real life, the Earth's population is increasing by something like a few hundred thousand per day IIRC. In NS Earth it's probably exploding by a few billion per day. So just to keep our population level,we're talking about shipping an impossible number of people off the planet per day.

To be honest, when even the FT nations (e.g. me and Zebian Syndicate) are saying this is a bad idea, it means its time to throw out this plan.
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Postby Puissancevise » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:59 pm

Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

Does anyone have any ideas on maybe how to re-word it to make it more.... Official?
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Postby Lucian De Mundo » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:17 pm

My nation is going to need lots and lots and lots of funding. We're lucky if we have the funds to launch bottle rockets for celebrations.

Maybe an international coordinated colonization. Get everyone to work together.
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Postby Puissancevise » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:30 pm

Lucian De Mundo wrote:My nation is going to need lots and lots and lots of funding. We're lucky if we have the funds to launch bottle rockets for celebrations.

Maybe an international coordinated colonization. Get everyone to work together.

You have wealthy corporations though. I'm sure you have some crazy space-geeks who would love to get started on such projects. Use the capitalist system in your favor, right?
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:43 pm

Puissancevise wrote:Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

But it will affect them, as all WA proposals affect all WA member nations according to the Category and Strength of the proposal ... which I notice has been conveniently left off of this one.

In the WA, if you don't have a Category and Strength/AoE, you don't have a proposal ... you just have an essay. Start with that before you ask for additional edits.

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Postby Puissancevise » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:52 pm

I got the strength up there, but i'm having a little trouble with the Category....
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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:38 pm

Puissancevise wrote:I got the strength up there, but i'm having a little trouble with the Category....

Which is why we always say that the smart thing to do is to pick your category & strength before you write a proposal. It's vastly easier to write a proposal to fit a particular category than it is to try and shoehorn a proposal into one after it's written.

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Postby Ularn » Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:08 am

Puissancevise wrote:Well for future tech nations, this will not apply. I don't see why they should be against something that does not affect them at all.

Does anyone have any ideas on maybe how to re-word it to make it more.... Official?

Thing is, the effect of this resolution would be to increase taxes in all WA nations, regardless of the tech level they RP at, so this will apply to FT nations, even if the reasoning for it would be nonsensical. Generally, you'll find that most WA proposals and resolutions are not tech specific, and could reasonably be applied to any nation, regardless of their tech level. Proposals which fall apart when applied to a tech level other than MT are generally bad proposals.

Also, you haven't addressed my criticisms about the factors which form the basis for the proposal (population control) won't be addressed by it. Even if we were to invent interstellar space flight tomorrow, you simply cannot build enough ships to move people off Earth fast enough to keep up with the human breeding rate.

If you want a resolution which might actually address overpopulation, you should maybe consider something akin to introducing a one-child policy (a la China) across the WA. I don't give great odds for such a proposal's success at vote, but it would be better for addressing the issue than this is, and there wouldn't be much question of its legality, as there might be here.
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Postby Heistrein » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:13 am

This is a sorta sarcastic problem, but can potentially be a legitimate one too. If the reason for the mandate of space exploration/habitation is to deal with human overpopulation, couldn't someone just say that this is not the appropriate solution for over population, and other alternatives should be considered first before mandating space?

Also, does this specify human overpopulation only?

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Postby Philimbesi » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:26 am

We are unaware of a resolution category of Need Help.
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