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The Peoples Socialist Confederacy
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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:We fail to see how this is anything approching an international issue. We also fail to see why you believe the WA should micromanage domestic recreational drug policy. We find nothing here worth supporting.


Its not a domestic drug policy it is an international trade proposition.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:01 pm

Simone was filing her nails when the draft came back to discussion. Considering the last time it came around it was plagiarized, this time was no better and she then said:

"Opposed, marijuana has negative health effects including cancer and many other diseases and should not be legalized. Second, category and effect and thirdly, you are not dictating punishments for my people and not every nation uses years. Fourth, this isn't a proper format for WA bills. Fifth, does this act do anything besides suggest stuff, laws don't suggest they rule on something."
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Postby Flibbleites » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:35 pm

The Peoples Socialist Confederacy wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:We fail to see how this is anything approching an international issue. We also fail to see why you believe the WA should micromanage domestic recreational drug policy. We find nothing here worth supporting.


Its not a domestic drug policy it is an international trade proposition.

*Bob suddenly starts sneezing*

Sorry, I'm allergic to bullshit. And that statement of yours there is indeed Grade A bullshit. To quote Article 1, Section 2 of your proposal.

The Peoples Socialist Confederacy wrote:Section 2. Possession of Marijuana in amounts equal to or less than two ounces is legal.
If you are selling marijuana without a proper license from the WA, even anything below
two ounces, results in two years imprisonment. You cannot use
marijuana while you are operating a vehicle, and if you do you will be fined
and charged with an O.W.I. You need a license and you need to pay a fee for
every plant you have, and you can only sell your product to licensed
distributers. You must be at least 16 years of age to buy/consume marijuana
in any way.

Now, if that's not domestic drug policy than I'm a monkey's uncle.

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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:35 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:Simone was filing her nails when the draft came back to discussion. Considering the last time it came around it was plagiarized, this time was no better and she then said:

"Opposed, marijuana has negative health effects including cancer and many other diseases and should not be legalized. Second, category and effect and thirdly, you are not dictating punishments for my people and not every nation uses years. Fourth, this isn't a proper format for WA bills. Fifth, does this act do anything besides suggest stuff, laws don't suggest they rule on something."


how was it plagiarized the first time around i wrote it myself? In The Confederacy we have an old saying and it goes "Bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks". Mr. O'Brien then stood up walked over to Simone and backhanded her with his ringhand. He then turned around and said The labs back in the motherland have been showing that The main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis THC also know as delta-9 Tetrahydrocannibonal not only fight cancer by causing the cell to go through autophography, the way a cell would naturally kill its self at then end of its life by releasing special digestive enzymes held inside certain organelles. There are also over 400 similar chemicals we have found many of which are anti-psychotics which if we could isolate in the lab are promising as treatments for schizophrenia and bi-polar disorders. There is also emerging research that chemicals in cannabis may promote neurogenesis, or nerve cell and brain tissue growth. Not to mention its ability to treat pain and help patients being treated for AIDS and cancer eat when there treatments cause them not to be hungry.

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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:49 pm

I have made additional edits to try and gain more support by elimination of what could be considered "recreational drug laws" this bill is now only about the right to trade cannabis and hemp between WA nations and the right to do that fairly. I strongly believe that this industry should be watched over to protect smaller weaker nations like mine with hemp and cannabis being a large part of our economy. Also the fact that you must acquire a license from the WA to trade cannabis with other WA nations does not force you to join the trade or legalize cannabis but give us nations who have legalized cannabis to right to fair and equal trade.

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Postby Philimbesi » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:53 pm

that you must acquire a license from the WA to trade cannabis with other WA nations


Will we later need to obtain a license from the WA to trade books and other goods? Trade is trade ambassador and if there is a buyer and a seller what's the problem?
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Postby Moronist Decisions » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:00 pm

Grammar: "apart" should be "a part".

Also, we believe this is micromanagement, and section II sets up a committee with an utterly vague remit. Also, I have no idea what the purpose of something covering such a small remit in terms of free trade would be.

Absolutely not.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:03 pm

Sergei heard the cry from Simone and woke up. He looked around, saw the rogue delegate, and in a graceful movement leapt and tackled the delegate to the ground.Sergei yelled at the man "Thats no way to treat a lady and especially my girlfriend, come at me bro, or is your hippie self gonna wimp out. Yeah, go back to your mommy." Simone after a quick recovery stood over the fallen mans head and began to what appeared to be stomping on his head.

Then while beating him with Sergei began to say " It might cause that however loss of memory and coordination also occur and delusions and hallucinations also occur and such stuff as chest infections, burning of the mouth and throat, obstructed airways. Marijuana also contains more tar than tobacco and this has a greater risk of causing cancer and also marijuana users keep this poisonous tar in their lungs longer as that is how many people smoke it. Decreased immune function is also found and when taken when a mother is pregnant creates many problems to the offspring such as deceased problem solving skills. Thus we stand opposed."
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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:08 pm

After regaining conscience from what can only be described as an utter ass whooping Mr. O'Brien responded to the ambassador from Philimbes The problem is the nations the nations that want this proposal to fail because they have a moral issue with cannabis. the license gives these nations, which in my country we have a word moralfag to refer to them and it that ruffly translates to stick in the mud but i digress, lets see where was i....o yes it gives these nations the right to opt out of cannabis trade it also makes it easier to regulate international trade. now if you'll excuse me i must be on my way to the hospital i believe i have a concussion.

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Postby Goobergunchia » Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:17 am

Again, what is the category and strength of this draft proposal?

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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:25 am

:palm:
Read the passed resolutions...
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
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Postby Dix (Ancient) » Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:51 am

WA members,

On behalf of the Glorious Leader of Dix, whose work will sound through the eons and whose hand has brought prosperity to the people, I am to inform you this proposal of legislation would be a blasphemous attack to all what is good and wrong.

The suffering of the people are not to be forgotten by means of drugs, no, the way to salvation is only to be met through the following of the Glorious Leader.

Therefore, the state of Dix asks you to stand against this proposal, blasphemous and wrong.

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Postby Cinistra » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:19 am

The Peoples Socialist Confederacy wrote:RECOGNIZING the immense possibilities for trade and economic growth

KNOWING that the ban of a plant is ignorance

CONVINCED of not only the medical, but also industrial benefits of hemp and cannabis

BELIEVING that this could further promote peace and unity between all NationStates

I hereby implore the The World Assembly to adopt this Proposal



ARTICLE 1. RULINGS.
Section 1. Trade Between Nations of hemp or cannabis Should remained untaxed
to promote equal trade between all nations of the world
but the distribution of cannabis to the people can be taxed as much or as less as the
individual government chooses

Section 2. In order to trade cannabis or hemp internationally between WA nations you must obtain the proper license from the WA, and you can only trade your goods to licensed countries if they are apart of the WA. trade between a WA nation and a nonmember nation is unregulated and not protected by this proposition.

ARTICLE 2. ENFORCEMENT.
Section 1.Trade will be overseen by the Free Trade of Cannabis Committee, they make
sure that all nations have gotten the license they need and are following fair trade practices.

Your "knowledge" is prejudice. Superstition.
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>Can I invade other people's regions?

Yes. The practice of "region crashing," where a group of nations all move to a region with the aim of seizing the WA Delegate position, is part of the game. Certain groups within NationStates are particularly adroit at this, and can attack very quickly.
>Once I've taken over a region, can I eject everyone else?

You can try. Invader Delegates tend to have very little Regional Influence, which makes ejecting long-time residents difficult. But Delegates can be as kind, generous, evil, or despotic as they wish. It's up to regional residents to elect good Delegates.

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Postby Darenjo » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:19 pm

And how is this an international issue?

And since when was the WA able to hand out licenses - of any sort? Last time I checked my driver's license said "People's Democracy of Darenjo" on it.
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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:00 pm

Darenjo wrote:And since when was the WA able to hand out licenses - of any sort? Last time I checked my driver's license said "People's Democracy of Darenjo" on it.


Does it say directly anywhere that they can't?

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Postby Alqania » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:06 pm

"Licenses run counter to the principle of free trade", Princess Christine stated matter-of-factly, as if she knew something about free trade, which she did not. "The Free Trade proposal category is about removing obstacles to trade, not adding obstacles like licenses."
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:09 pm

Sergei rose up, he was done his usual WA chamber mid afternoon nap. He waited for the other delegates to stop speaking and then began to ramble:

"No, it does not, however this is not a one world government, this is a body that is committed to progress in the world without interfering too much on national sovereignty. And this act does the opposite, it takes away sovereignty of nations. Thus we are still opposed."
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Postby The Peoples Socialist Confederacy » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:19 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:"No, it does not, however this is not a one world government, this is a body that is committed to progress in the world without interfering too much on national sovereignty. And this act does the opposite, it takes away sovereignty of nations. Thus we are still opposed."


In what way does this does this interfere with your national sovereignty? its not forcing you to do anything.

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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26 pm

" However, it takes away our right to distribute licenses for marijuana production and trade. What if my nation does not want to legalize distribution of marijuana. Also, if this doesn't make , us do anything, how is it a law if it doesn't do anything, what is the point of this then. Another point here is use a spell and grammar check." said Simone, taking over from Sergei, who had went back to napping.
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Postby The Most Glorious Hack » Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:54 am

Cinistra wrote:The Cinistran government does not share this belief

This is really hard to read.
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Postby Syrkania » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:24 am

Trade of drugs internationally? Well, you might want to have a look over the resolution that specifically covers that. Doesn't mean you can't find something to write on, but there already are some limits placed upon what can be done regarding the transfer of drugs between nations.
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Postby The Three Crusader States » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:33 am

*the Ambassador of the knights of the temple stands up and quickly unsheathes his sword and slowly walks over to Dan O'Brien and then kicks him onto the floor* "you do not hit a woman! get out of my sight you pathetic whelp if you hit a woman again I will have your head!"
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:35 am

Syrkania wrote:Trade of drugs internationally? Well, you might want to have a look over [url=forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=2035648#p2035648]the resolution[/url] that specifically covers that. Doesn't mean you can't find something to write on, but there already are some limits placed upon what can be done regarding the transfer of drugs between nations.

Just so: As I've already hinted...

^_^
Last edited by Bears Armed on Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
Factbook. We have more than 70 MAPS. Visitors' Guide.
The IDU's WA Drafting Room is open to help you.
Author of issues #429, 712, 729, 934, 1120, 1152, 1474, 1521.

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Postby Sergovistan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:13 am

The Federal Republic of Sergovistan will -not- support this outragous act. Cannabis slows and destroys the mind of our people, and will -not- be legalized due to the risk of misuse. It will only be used within medical purposes, but will not become a legalized product for anyone to buy.

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Postby Syrkania » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:40 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Syrkania wrote:Trade of drugs internationally? Well, you might want to have a look over [url=forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=2035648#p2035648]the resolution[/url] that specifically covers that. Doesn't mean you can't find something to write on, but there already are some limits placed upon what can be done regarding the transfer of drugs between nations.

Just so: As I've already hinted...

^_^

(The board was hiccuping when I was on earlier, only showed the first of those you found. Didn't realise it had all of them.) :)
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