by Gaytania » Wed May 27, 2009 9:59 am
by Urgench » Wed May 27, 2009 10:01 am
by Absolvability » Thu May 28, 2009 8:55 am
Urgench wrote:Repeals cannot introduce new legislation.
by Charlotte Ryberg » Thu May 28, 2009 8:57 am
by Meekinos » Thu May 28, 2009 11:51 am
by Gaytania » Fri May 29, 2009 9:05 am
by Meekinos » Fri May 29, 2009 9:10 am
by Ezuela (Ancient) » Fri May 29, 2009 9:33 am
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri May 29, 2009 9:41 am
Gaytania wrote:World Assembly,
RECOGNIZING the irenconsilable differences between the two opposing views on this issue
DECLARING that Word Assembly Resolution #44 poses a threat to national sovereignty and independence through its restrictions that it poses on member nations right to self governance
RECOGNIZING the right of woman to choose whether or not to compromise her future through the birth of an unwanted child.
Second Draft of repeal of World Assembly Resolution #44 better known as the "Reduction of Abortion Act"
Proposed and submitted May 29, 2009 by The Queendom of Gaytania
I realize the fact that while this resolution might be imperfect in it's wording, it accomplishes the goal of the successful repealment of World Resolution #44.
by Gaytania » Fri May 29, 2009 3:05 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Gaytania wrote:World Assembly,
RECOGNIZING the irenconsilable differences between the two opposing views on this issue
DECLARING that Word Assembly Resolution #44 poses a threat to national sovereignty and independence through its restrictions that it poses on member nations right to self governance
RECOGNIZING the right of woman to choose whether or not to compromise her future through the birth of an unwanted child.
Second Draft of repeal of World Assembly Resolution #44 better known as the "Reduction of Abortion Act"
Proposed and submitted May 29, 2009 by The Queendom of Gaytania
I realize the fact that while this resolution might be imperfect in it's wording, it accomplishes the goal of the successful repealment of World Resolution #44.
I don't think you understand what the resolution does. It does not restrict abortions, or infringe on a woman's right to choose to have an abortion. All it does is increase access to birth control, so fewer women will need to have one.
Your invocation of national sovereignty is therefore a false argument, making it illegal, and an invalid argument besides, since a repeal's primary argument cannot be "national sovereignty." Finally, your last clause still sounds like it is introducing new legislation (i.e., recognizing an individual right), which you have already been informed is also illegal.
by Malikov » Fri May 29, 2009 5:26 pm
"Friendship is two pals munching on a well cooked face together."Tiurabo wrote:Your forces are weak because you are capable of reigning them in.
by Secruss » Fri May 29, 2009 5:29 pm
by Rutianas » Fri May 29, 2009 5:53 pm
Malikov wrote:I do hope that you all realize that abortion is a euphimism for 'killing babies". Why would anyone be allowed to kill their children... better yet, why should anyone be allowed to kill their children. What you are suggesting is that it's okay for parents to murder their offspring. The difference between a full grown man being offed by his parents, and a baby being offed in the same manner, is that the older man can defend himself. What your suggesting is the cold-blooded murder of defensless babies. Babies need to be cared for and nourished. If you don't want your kid then put him up for adoption, and let him keep his life.
Malikov
by Gaytania » Fri May 29, 2009 11:01 pm
Malikov wrote:I do hope that you all realize that abortion is a euphimism for 'killing babies". Why would anyone be allowed to kill their children... better yet, why should anyone be allowed to kill their children. What you are suggesting is that it's okay for parents to murder their offspring. The difference between a full grown man being offed by his parents, and a baby being offed in the same manner, is that the older man can defend himself. What your suggesting is the cold-blooded murder of defensless babies. Babies need to be cared for and nourished. If you don't want your kid then put him up for adoption, and let him keep his life.
Malikov
by Rutianas » Fri May 29, 2009 11:19 pm
Gaytania wrote:Thank you for your comment Malikov. While I recognize the fact that there are strong views on both sides of this issue, your definition of abortion would not be universally accepted because it is too polarizing and sees the argument from only one point of view. My proposal is not trying to do anything to promote abortion, it is only repealing and old resolution so that we can make way for a new resolution that may accurately represent both opposing points of view on this issue in a equal manner. This repealment is to help make way for further debate so we can find common ground on this issue so that we can come to a compromise on a resolution that might equally weigh each of the opposing arguments on this issue.
I respect your opinion and I want you to help me get this repealment passed so we can make way for new debate where everyone's voice may be heard. This is only the first step!
RECOGNIZING the irenconsilable differences between the two opposing views on this issue
DECLARING that Word Assembly Resolution #44 poses a threat to national sovereignty and independence through its restrictions that it poses on member nations right to self governance
RECOGNIZING the right of woman to choose whether or not to compromise her future through the birth of an unwanted child.
by Osgarna » Fri May 29, 2009 11:50 pm
Reduction of Abortions Act wrote:6. DECLARES that nothing in this resolution shall affect the power of member states to declare abortion legal or illegal or to pass legislation extending or restricting access to abortion.
by Gaytania » Sat May 30, 2009 12:03 am
Rutianas wrote:Gaytania wrote:Thank you for your comment Malikov. While I recognize the fact that there are strong views on both sides of this issue, your definition of abortion would not be universally accepted because it is too polarizing and sees the argument from only one point of view. My proposal is not trying to do anything to promote abortion, it is only repealing and old resolution so that we can make way for a new resolution that may accurately represent both opposing points of view on this issue in a equal manner. This repealment is to help make way for further debate so we can find common ground on this issue so that we can come to a compromise on a resolution that might equally weigh each of the opposing arguments on this issue.
I respect your opinion and I want you to help me get this repealment passed so we can make way for new debate where everyone's voice may be heard. This is only the first step!
I fail to see why new legislation is needed.
The current one does not remove a nation's right to decide the issue for themselves.
I'm going to do something I've never done before. I'm going to ask you to trust me. The issue of Abortion has been discussed time and time again. There will never be anything that will be better and more fair than this. This went through a long and drawn out debate previously.
The problem with the repeal is that there is no viable argument to it.RECOGNIZING the irenconsilable differences between the two opposing views on this issue
DECLARING that Word Assembly Resolution #44 poses a threat to national sovereignty and independence through its restrictions that it poses on member nations right to self governance
RECOGNIZING the right of woman to choose whether or not to compromise her future through the birth of an unwanted child.
First, it's irreconcilable. Yeah, that would be valid. There's never going to be a compromise better than WAR #44.
Second, National Sovereignty is not a valid point. Now, that said, the Resolution is all about National Sovereignty. No where in the resolution does it say, in any way, shape, or form, that every nation must allow abortion or even every nation must ban abortion. There are no restrictions on the right to self governance.
Third, all I can say is 'huh? what?' Where are you getting that from? In fact, if you, the Ambassador from Gaytania, can show me where WAR #44 denies the right of a woman to choose, I will personally buy you a drink at the Stranger's Bar. And those other Ambassadors that go there can tell you that I have never set foot in that place.
So, all said, the only valid point you make in all that is the first one. Not enough to get it repealed.
Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador
by Gaytania » Sat May 30, 2009 12:06 am
Osgarna wrote:I suggest that the honorable ambassador from Gaytania reread WAR #44. It quite clearly states that it is not restricting access to abortions in any way.Reduction of Abortions Act wrote:6. DECLARES that nothing in this resolution shall affect the power of member states to declare abortion legal or illegal or to pass legislation extending or restricting access to abortion.
Furthermore, all the things it legislates would be considered good by most nations regardless of their stance on abortion, and even if nations did disagree with services it encourages, they are free to provide them to whatever extent they wish, whether they be very difficult to access or impossible to avoid.
by Osgarna » Sat May 30, 2009 12:35 am
Gaytania wrote:Osgarna wrote:I suggest that the honorable ambassador from Gaytania reread WAR #44. It quite clearly states that it is not restricting access to abortions in any way.Reduction of Abortions Act wrote:6. DECLARES that nothing in this resolution shall affect the power of member states to declare abortion legal or illegal or to pass legislation extending or restricting access to abortion.
Furthermore, all the things it legislates would be considered good by most nations regardless of their stance on abortion, and even if nations did disagree with services it encourages, they are free to provide them to whatever extent they wish, whether they be very difficult to access or impossible to avoid.
The resolution fails to implicitly state your assertion.
by Rutianas » Sat May 30, 2009 5:36 am
Gaytania wrote:I recognize where the wording in my repeal is flawed and needs to be improved. Furthermore World Assembly Resolution #44 force's member governments to provide access to "Abortion Reduction Services", and that is enough to be threat to national sovereignty and the ability to self govern. I never stated that World Assembly Resolution #44 placed any restrictions on the ability on member governments to ban or allow abortions. World Resolution #44 does place restrictions on the ability of member nations to control their populations through tools like abortion. While World Resolution #44 does not restrict the choice of a woman, it restricts the ability of member governments to effectively govern their people in any way they please. If a government chooses not to allow access to "Abortion Reduction Services" for religious, ethical, or social reasons, than they shall not be required to do so.
2. AFFIRMS the right of individuals to access information regarding abortion reduction services;
3. STRONGLY URGES member states to research, invest in, and provide universal access to abortion reduction services;
4. FURTHER ENCOURAGES member states to provide financial aid to pregnant individuals and parents to reduce or remove economic reasons for abortion and economic barriers to childbirth;
by Malikov » Sat May 30, 2009 9:20 am
Rutianis wrote:
There will never be anything that will be better and more fair than this.
"Friendship is two pals munching on a well cooked face together."Tiurabo wrote:Your forces are weak because you are capable of reigning them in.
by Serbian_Soviet_Union » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:30 pm
by The Emmerian Unions » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:32 pm
Serbian_Soviet_Union wrote:In the Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union, Abortion is strictly prohibitted and any form of abortion is classified as murder in the first degree and it is punishable by death or life in prison. Abortion is only allowed in most extreme cases that includes if the baby is life threatening to the mother or if the lady has been raped.
Ifreann wrote:"And in world news, the United States has recently elected Bill Gates as God Emperor For All Time. Foreign commentators believe that Gates' personal fortune may have played a role in his victory, but criticism from the United States of Gates(as it is now known) has been sparse and brief."
by Serbian_Soviet_Union » Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:34 pm
The Emmerian Unions wrote:Serbian_Soviet_Union wrote:In the Federation of the Serbian Soviet Union, Abortion is strictly prohibitted and any form of abortion is classified as murder in the first degree and it is punishable by death or life in prison. Abortion is only allowed in most extreme cases that includes if the baby is life threatening to the mother or if the lady has been raped.
SSU, this died a long time ago.
by Sionis Prioratus » Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:31 pm
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