[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Great Azarath]

this was in the link you had, for your "proof"

Yet you proved nothing in our arguments.

No, i stated a lot that shows how flawed your argument is.

[Dizyntk]

"As I thought, you have no evidence to back any of your claims. Did you do ANY research before drafting this proposal? Did you just assume we would all think it was a good idea? Well we do not. The very notion that you think any of us would agree to this only goes to prove your naivete, Ambassador."

Your still ignoring my question. ANSWER IT! What would you do????/

"I will not answer it. So just accept that. As we will accept that you are lying about your proof."

[Dilange]

"As I thought, you have no evidence to back any of your claims. Did you do ANY research before drafting this proposal? Did you just assume we would all think it was a good idea? Well we do not. The very notion that you think any of us would agree to this only goes to prove your naivete, Ambassador."

Your still ignoring my question. ANSWER IT! What would you do????/

Question is irrelevent to the argument. I wouldn't but others would. Asking one person doesnt give you a clear answer.

[Great Azarath]

You fail to realize his reluctance to answer the question because he knows I am correct.

Then what, exactly, is your reluctance to provide proof?

My reluctance? I shouldnt adhere to his request if he doesnt mine. simple as that

[Dilange]

Yet you proved nothing in our arguments.

No, i stated a lot that shows how flawed your argument is.

Not really. But I'll give you a chance...how have you broken our logic? Show proof ad ex posts you've made.

[Dizyntk]

Then what, exactly, is your reluctance to provide proof?

My reluctance? I shouldnt adhere to his request if he doesnt mine. simple as that

"Nice grade school argument, Ambassador."

[Great Azarath]

This resolution has strict regulations on sexual protection

"That is a lie, Ambassador. This resolution is not strict at all as it offers a gaping loophole around said protection."

What loophole is that? AND PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION: WOULD YOU HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WITH A STRANGER?

[Great Azarath]

Then what, exactly, is your reluctance to provide proof?

"He has no proof. He is merely saying he does."

No, no. I have proof. Now, please answer the question.

[Dilange]

"That is a lie, Ambassador. This resolution is not strict at all as it offers a gaping loophole around said protection."

What loophole is that? AND PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION: WOULD YOU HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WITH A STRANGER?

I answered the question for her. Yet you keep bantering the Dizyntk princess, why? I answered the question, present your proof. NOW.

[Dizyntk]

"That is a lie, Ambassador. This resolution is not strict at all as it offers a gaping loophole around said protection."

What loophole is that? AND PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION: WOULD YOU HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WITH A STRANGER?

"Ahhh...Screaming and shouting. Last refuge of one who has lost his argument."

[Great Azarath]

HEREBY MANDATES that all member states residing with the World Assembly legalize the human right and business of prostitution.

Prostitution =/= human right. Right to pursue happiness, right to live, right to think = human rights

Prostitutes and member states that reside with the World Assembly must abide to the following statements:
(1) Prostitutes are made fully aware of the health or other specific risk connected to prostitution.

Sweet. Hey Bubbles, there is a slight chance of you getting AIDS. This does what again?

(2) A prostitute has the right to refuse any sexual act.

Already covered by a past resolution

(3) A prostitute has the right to create a contract with his/her/its client agreeing on specific details.

Do you need a contract to buy a hamburger? THis is just stupid.

PROHIBITS the following:
(1) For sexual penetration to happen without some form of sexual protection, unless both sides consent to not using any form of sexual protection.

Conflicts with GAR# 16, especially the first operative clause (the one past definitions)

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Condoms aren't 100%. People who are afraid of these diseases and child birth will just not have sex.

(2) Prostitutes are involved with organized brothels for better safety.

Here are two quotes:

"Behind the facade of a regulated industry, brothel prostitutes in Nevada are captive in conditions analogous to slavery. Women often are procured for the brothels from other areas by pimps who dump them at the house in order to collect the referral fee. Women report working in shifts commonly as long as 12 hours, even when ill, menstruating or pregnant, with no right to refuse a customer who has requested them or to refuse the sexual act for which he has paid. The dozen or so prostitutes I interviewed said they are expected to pay the brothel room and board and a percentage of their earnings -- sometimes up to 50 percent. They also must pay for mandatory extras such as medical exams, assigned clothing and fines incurred for breaking house rules. And, contrary to the common claim that the brothel will protect women from the dangerous, crazy clients on the streets, rapes and assaults by customers are covered up by the management." Anastasia Volkonsky, JD, Founder and former Project Director of Prevention, Referral, Outreach, Mentoring, and Intervention to End Sexual Exploitation (PROMISE), in the Feb. 27, 1995 Insight on the News article "Legalization the 'Profession' Would Sanction the Abuse,".

"The regulation of prostitution by zoning is a physical manifestation of the same social/psychological stigma that decriminalization advocates allegedly want to avoid. Reflecting the social isolation of those in it, prostitution is often removed from the mainstream. Whether in Turkish genelevs (walled-off multiunit brothel complexes) or in Nevada brothels (ringed with barbed wire or electric fencing), women in state-zoned prostitution are physically isolated and socially rejected by the rest of society." Melissa Farley, PhD, Founding Director of the Prostitution Research and Education, wrote in the Oct. 2004 Violence Against Women journal article "'Bad for the Body, Bad for the Heart:' Prostitution Harms Women Even If Legalized or Decriminalized".

ENCOURAGES individual member states to impose additional protocol or standards that do not conflict with this resolution.

We already have found a loophole in this. You can regulate this out of existence without criminalizing prostitution.


There my argument with proof and everything.

1- By a local government....but if thats how you will inform them then okey dokey
3- Hamburgers dont have sex with you, end of story.
I'm not to sure anything is 100% does this mean no more safe sex?
this resolution gives them the right to refuse and that statement isnt very relevant
your arguments are just not valid

[Great Azarath]

... Still ignoring the question? ANswer it! Would you have unprotected sex with a stranger? I have my proof, I would like you to answer my question first, since I said it first

"You still ignore the fact that your question is highly irrelevant. What I would do or not do is not relevant to the argument. And seeing as you have refused to answer any number of questions, I see no good reason to answer this particular one. Just admit that you have no eveidence and we can all move on. And your insistence on this issue just goes to prove your immaturity."

No, it is relevent, I actually have somewhere to go with it. If you took the time to write this you can take the time to put either 3 or 2 letters, yes, or no. I dont see why you cannot answer this.

[Dizyntk]

this resolution gives them the right to refuse and that statement isnt very relevant
your arguments are just not valid

"You have to be amazed at how he just dismisses points that are very clearly against him as irrelevant or not valid. In that case, I suppose we can say that this entire proposal is not relevant and not valid."

[Dilange]

1- By a local government....but if thats how you will inform them then okey dokey

Didnt get the point in entirety.....again.

3- Hamburgers dont have sex with you, end of story.

Still is a business transaction. It has nothing to do with sex at all....it has to do with business.

I'm not to sure anything is 100% does this mean no more safe sex?

THe safest sex is abstinence. But not the point. Point is you can still get diseases.

this resolution gives them the right to refuse and that statement isnt very relevant

Missed the point AGAIN! Brothels aren't safe at all. They can do fininacial stuff as in...not pay you, over work you, abuse you, etc. Besides in many places, business owner > worker.

your arguments are just not valid

And your counter-arguments aren't valid either...and my arguments are just fine.

[Great Azarath]

1- Prostitution is sex of to consent adults, theft is taking something from someone without their consent. See the difference?

Not by the reasoning you use. You use it as an older profession, while thieves are about the same age. I never mentioned anything about consent at all.

2- I looked at the quote and it says there is no difference between mental health which shows it cannot have such a negative physiological effect. Also it protects them from ABUSE AND DISEASE. as you just showed us, they don't need mental support.

Oh sorry let me highlight it for you.

...prevailing ideas that sex work and psychiatric morbidity are inevitably associated.

3-Would it decrease STDs, of course not. Common sense should tell you that. This resolution has strict regulations on sexual protection

I dont know. Your proposal mentions that through the use of birth control and condoms that it will be safe.

4- Yes it is freely choosen. Being forced is rape and that is illegal.

Youre not getting the quote....

5- that liberation has nothing to do with this

I know that, I was just using it in case you used that bullshit arguement. [/quote]
It still has to do with the fact that it is consenting while theft isnt. Theft is really irrevent
Well if thats the case then you cant use it....how do you use "proof" with to conflicting arguments? irrelevent
yes, yes it does. and yes it will be A LOT safer. Your point?
What?? You've lost me

[Dilange]

"You still ignore the fact that your question is highly irrelevant. What I would do or not do is not relevant to the argument. And seeing as you have refused to answer any number of questions, I see no good reason to answer this particular one. Just admit that you have no eveidence and we can all move on. And your insistence on this issue just goes to prove your immaturity."

No, it is relevent, I actually have somewhere to go with it. If you took the time to write this you can take the time to put either 3 or 2 letters, yes, or no. I dont see why you cannot answer this.

Just present the proof, the more repetition you use...the more i do doubt you have substantial proof. IF YOU HAVE IT PRESENT IT. IF THIS WAS A COURT OF LAW, YOU WOULD BE ALREADY KICKED OUT FOR BEING IN CONTEMPT

[Dilange]

It still has to do with the fact that it is consenting while theft isnt. Theft is really irrevent

Prostitute is an old occupation
Thief is an old occupation

Going by the line EXACTLY from your proposal...we can legalize anything if its an old occupation.

Well if thats the case then you cant use it....how do you use "proof" with to conflicting arguments? irrelevent

It basically means you have a higher chance of suicide and psychological problems...dramatically higher. The point that you dont understand morbidity scares me.

yes, yes it does. and yes it will be A LOT safer. Your point

?

Birht control has a low chance of working and can stillt ransfer diseases.

COndoms can break.

What?? You've lost me

It was insurance. The point that sexual liberation hasnt been mentioned until now by me....makes things interesting. It makes me believe that you are under 16 to begin with.

[Flibbleites]

There's no corruption needed for a situation like that to happen. If a police department is understaffed and overworked a case like that could be easily pushed to the back burner. The police may not be able to obtain enough evidence to get a conviction. There's a lot of things that could happen.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

So a sapient being coming to a police station claiming she is being trafficked is something to be overlooked? Please answer. I strongly disagree. For one, if trafficking is such a large problem then I don't see how you can refuse to look into that.

It's not necessarily that they wouldn't look into it, it could be that the police have more pressing cases that they're working on that need to be handled first. For example, would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Great Azarath]

on the first link, she admits she needs help. Not all prostitutes need sex rehab.
on the second one I strongly believe its a lie....If she was so drunk how can she go into so much detail? And if she isn't...well, who( speaking of prostitutes) will go to work drunk?
on the third...I read half of the first paragraph, and he met her already knew her to have sex with her. The question is asked by his wife so this is really irrelevant. Clients don't spend a whole evening with a prostitute like they did.

"Your Excellency asked for proof that people are having unprotected sex with strangers. Your Excellency said nothing about the proof being about unprotected sex with strange prostitutes/clients. Your Excellency got the proof Your Excellency asked for."

I said I will show my proof when I get a answer, what on earth are you talking about?

[Great Azarath]

Your still ignoring my question. ANSWER IT! What would you do????/

"I will not answer it. So just accept that. As we will accept that you are lying about your proof."

Admit it, you wouldn't have unprotected sex with a prostitute and neither would a client or prostitute

[Great Azarath]

Your still ignoring my question. ANSWER IT! What would you do????/

Question is irrelevent to the argument. I wouldn't but others would. Asking one person doesnt give you a clear answer.

Has nothing to do with what I am going with.....

[Great Azarath]

No, i stated a lot that shows how flawed your argument is.

Not really. But I'll give you a chance...how have you broken our logic? Show proof ad ex posts you've made.

I make a promise to you that I will do it tomorrow, I am too tired. My apologies

[Alqania]

"Your Excellency asked for proof that people are having unprotected sex with strangers. Your Excellency said nothing about the proof being about unprotected sex with strange prostitutes/clients. Your Excellency got the proof Your Excellency asked for."

I said I will show my proof when I get a answer, what on earth are you talking about?

"Your Excellency asked me for proof. I provided that proof. The whole discussion about other proof came later."

[Great Azarath]

1- By a local government....but if thats how you will inform them then okey dokey

Didnt get the point in entirety.....again.

3- Hamburgers dont have sex with you, end of story.

Still is a business transaction. It has nothing to do with sex at all....it has to do with business.

I'm not to sure anything is 100% does this mean no more safe sex?

THe safest sex is abstinence. But not the point. Point is you can still get diseases.

this resolution gives them the right to refuse and that statement isnt very relevant

Missed the point AGAIN! Brothels aren't safe at all. They can do fininacial stuff as in...not pay you, over work you, abuse you, etc. Besides in many places, business owner > worker.

your arguments are just not valid

And your counter-arguments aren't valid either...and my arguments are just fine.

1- you keep saying that but fail to tell us what the point it.
2- Are you saying prostitution has nothing to do with sex?
3- You can get a disease from anyone.....doesnt have to be a prostitute. What abbout your husband or wife?
4- Again that is not legal, therefore irrelevant.

[Alqania]

"I will not answer it. So just accept that. As we will accept that you are lying about your proof."

Admit it, you wouldn't have unprotected sex with a prostitute and neither would a client or prostitute

"Is Your Excellency seriously arguing that every single person in the multiverse would act as responsibly as Her Royal Highness would?"