[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Dizyntk]

"Do you have proof they don't?"

Common sense, just because they are prostitutes doesn't mean that lack in common sense. You wouldn't have unprotected sex with a stranger. Would you?

"I am sorry, Ambassador, but that does not constitute proof."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Do you have proof they don't?"

Common sense, just because they are prostitutes doesn't mean that lack in common sense. You wouldn't have unprotected sex with a stranger. Would you?

Unprotected sex with strangers...wow, you have managed to describe the very act you are attempting to legalize!

[Great Azarath]

Common sense, just because they are prostitutes doesn't mean that lack in common sense. You wouldn't have unprotected sex with a stranger. Would you?

Unprotected sex with strangers...wow, you have managed to describe the very act you are attempting to legalize!

Most prostitution is with protection

[Separatist Peoples]

Unprotected sex with strangers...wow, you have managed to describe the very act you are attempting to legalize!

Most prostitution is with protection

When was the last time you were in the ghetto, ambassador?

[Dizyntk]

Unprotected sex with strangers...wow, you have managed to describe the very act you are attempting to legalize!

Most prostitution is with protection

'Really? Can you prove this? We would like to see your evidence for this."

[Great Azarath]

Common sense, just because they are prostitutes doesn't mean that lack in common sense. You wouldn't have unprotected sex with a stranger. Would you?

"I am sorry, Ambassador, but that does not constitute proof."

Go on, answer the question. Would you?

[Dilange]

OOC: Id strongly recommend you see the movie "Taken"....because it strongly deals with this argument. I'd also creck out the pros and cons of legalizing prostition on Google....doctors disprove many of your arguements. I included one in my sources.

IC: "Sources you say....ok" he said.

http://prostitution.procon.org/

[Dizyntk]

"I am sorry, Ambassador, but that does not constitute proof."

Go on, answer the question. Would you?

"That is not what was asked, Ambassador. I asked you for proof and you have yet to provide any."

[Dilange]

Unprotected sex with strangers...wow, you have managed to describe the very act you are attempting to legalize!

Most prostitution is with protection

Source?

[Great Azarath]

Most prostitution is with protection

'Really? Can you prove this? We would like to see your evidence for this."

I will gladly show you proof

[Dizyntk]

OOC: Id strongly recommend you see the movie "Taken"....because it strongly deals with this argument. I'd also creck out the pros and cons of legalizing prostition on Google....doctors disprove many of your arguements. I included one in my sources.

IC: "Sources you say....ok" he said.

http://prostitution.procon.org/

"You are making the very incorrect assumption that the author will read it, Ambassador. So far he has been very adept at ignoring evidence that is against him."

[Herttora]

It obviously isn't commonly known knowledge, because she has yet to state proof and I agree. Common known knowledge is 2+2=4. Common knowledge is something you can debate about.

OOC: Common knowledge isn't decided simply by what you do or do not know. Also, while you most certainly can argue that 2 + 2 != 4 that argument would be a logic fallacy.

[Dilange]

OOC: Id strongly recommend you see the movie "Taken"....because it strongly deals with this argument. I'd also creck out the pros and cons of legalizing prostition on Google....doctors disprove many of your arguements. I included one in my sources.

IC: "Sources you say....ok" he said.

http://prostitution.procon.org/

"You are making the very incorrect assumption that the author will read it, Ambassador. So far he has been very adept at ignoring evidence that is against him."

Wech nodded.

"But that doesnt mean I cant use it against him in some arguements." he said.

[Separatist Peoples]

'Really? Can you prove this? We would like to see your evidence for this."

I will gladly show you proof

I would love to see your proof.

[Great Azarath]

Go on, answer the question. Would you?

"That is not what was asked, Ambassador. I asked you for proof and you have yet to provide any."

I have proof and I will put it after you answer. Also I asked this long before proof came in the convo

[Dilange]

Title: Legalizing Prostitution
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Description:

The World Assembly,

ACKNOWLEDGING that prostitution, one of the oldest and most known professions in existence, is illegal in many member states;

Cool, so is the profession of a thief....yet we aren't legalizing stealing? Why not?

CONCERNED that the criminalization of prostitution prevents prostitutes from adequately protecting themselves from abuse and disease, and that even in member states where prostitution is legal, prostitutes still may not be fully protected under current national laws;

That doesnt matter, many prostitutes are mentally harmed. Here is a real-life quote:

"There were no differences in mental health... or in self-esteem... between the two groups [female prostitutes and females who weren't prostitutes]....

Overall, despite any personal problems arising from the particular nature of their work, these women described as adequate relationships with partners, friends and work colleagues. Two papers have suggested that sex workers have high rates of psychological symptoms; however, both used convenience samples and lacked a comparison group making interpretation of the results difficult. Our results challenge prevailing ideas that sex work and psychiatric morbidity are inevitably associated." Sarah Romans, MD in the Feb. 2001 Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry article "The Mental and Physical Health of Female Sex Workers: A Comparative Study,"

Would it decrease STDs? Here is another quote:

"The community may accept that some level of prostitution is inevitable. However, that does not mean supporting anything that might result in more brothels and more prostitutes. It certainly does not mean tacit endorsement of a system that could send a wrong message to young women that prostitution is a desirable career option.... Words alone will not keep out the criminal element. Under this legislation [Prostitution Control Bill 2003], prostitution is to be legalised and more illegal brothels will operate, yet there is no indication in the legislation of how the Labor Government plans to ensure that STDs will not spread throughout the community. Simply talking about the dangers of unprotected sex will not stop it....
Condoms are not used 100 per cent of the time in the sex industry because there is a much lower percentage of use by street workers. Street workers have a greater dependence on drugs.... Unsafe practices continue. ...[U]p to 50 per cent of brothel workers are undertaking oral sex without using prophylactics. The figure is quite concerning because STDs can be transmitted in that way." Cheryl Edwardes, LLM, former Attorney General for Western Australia, in the May 6, 2003

CONVINCED that all individuals have a fundamental right to bodily sovereignty that no government can rightly violate;

They do not have the right. Im gonna use quotes throughout this whole thing.

"The argument that regulation of prostitution better protects women in prostitution is deceptive. Prostitution itself is a form of violence against women and a negation of women's fundamental human rights. Studies have shown that women in prostitution, whether in private apartments, hotel rooms, sex clubs, massage parlors, or in large megacenters of prostitution activities, still experience many forms of violence (Raymond et al., 2002). In a male-dominant culture, prostitution denies equality to women by treating the female body as an instrument of commerce." Esohe Aghatise, PhD, Founder and Executive Director of the Associazione Iroko Onlus, wrote in an Oct. 2004 Violence Against Women article titled "Trafficking for Prostitution in Italy"

Is it a freely chosen profession? Highly doubtful:

"A common argument by prostitution advocates is that women and girls make informed and calculated choices about entering into prostitution. They say that the ones who have so chosen should be free to pursue their choice in the name of self-determination and integrity, over their lives and their bodies.
The prostitution lobby wants us to believe that prostitution is female sexual liberation and a way for women to give full expression to their deepest sexual fantasies. These ideas are based on an uncritical acceptance of the old libertarian concept of individual free choice and completely lack a critique of society and an analysis of male power. What they also care to ignore is that the concept of free will requires the existence of several possible options to choose from and the control of the person in making a choice.
...To talk about choice in this context becomes both cruel and meaningless. When we allow the prostitution defenders to blame the victims of prostitution for their victimization, we collaborate with them. Male violence is thus obscured and focus is off the perpetrators.
Instead of talking about prostitution as a choice, we must ask ourselves: If prostitution is a free choice, why is it that it is always the women and girls who have the fewest alternatives who are the ones who end up in prostitution?" Gunilla S. Ekberg, Special Advisor on issues of prostitution and trafficking in women at the Swedish Division for Gender Equality, at the Nov. 5-6 2002 Seminar on the Effects of Legalisation of Prostitution Activities in Stockholm,


Now to discuss a fact you havent brought up. In case you do, the issue of sexual liberation:

"If women enter prostitution for 'sexual liberation,' what is it they need to be liberated from? Are they seeking liberation from a male-imposed double standard of sexuality? Are they seeking liberation from their own moral or religious qualms - preached by mail priests and ministers? What are they seeking liberation to? To do what they want when they want it - or when someone else does? If women were truly free, we would not need to be liberated from anything. The reason women need liberation at all is because males imprison us. To seek escape from a prison cell is liberation, but when women are living in a global patriarchy, we can never escape the cell." Diane Post, JD, in the July 1999 off our backs article "Legalizing Prostitution: A Systematic Rebuttal,"

More later. I am using many RL quotes to disprove many of your theories. If its illegal, oh well.

[Dilange]

"That is not what was asked, Ambassador. I asked you for proof and you have yet to provide any."

I have proof and I will put it after you answer. Also I asked this long before proof came in the convo

Just give us the proof, the more you procrastinate....the more I dont think you have evidence.

[Dizyntk]

"That is not what was asked, Ambassador. I asked you for proof and you have yet to provide any."

I have proof and I will put it after you answer. Also I asked this long before proof came in the convo

"What I would do is irrelevant to the argument. If you do not have any proof to back up your so-called arguments, just say so. If you do then please provide it. Otherwise stop wasting this Assembly's time with your flawed and childish arguments."

[Great Azarath]

OOC: Id strongly recommend you see the movie "Taken"....because it strongly deals with this argument. I'd also creck out the pros and cons of legalizing prostition on Google....doctors disprove many of your arguements. I included one in my sources.

IC: "Sources you say....ok" he said.

http://prostitution.procon.org/

"You are making the very incorrect assumption that the author will read it, Ambassador. So far he has been very adept at ignoring evidence that is against him."

PRO: "Prostitution should not be a crime. Prostitutes are not committing an inherently harmful act. While the spread of disease and other detriments are possible in the practice of prostitution, criminalization is a sure way of exacerbating rather than addressing such effects. We saw this quite clearly in the time of alcohol prohibition in this country.

...What makes prostitution a 'victimless crime' in the sense that no one is necessarily harmed by it is that there are consenting adults involved."

I completely agree....

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute's compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."
Having sex with children is illegal. It will have regardless of what happens to this resolution. This resolution states nothing about pimps. They are illegal now and still will be. Exploitation, sexual harrassment and rape...ILLEGAL. "The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution." doesnt make sense to me.
That was the first one I saw....

[Alqania]

OOC: The OP apparently wants RL sources. If you're a roleplayer who doesn't like RL sources, don't click the links, just assume they go to IC sources if you want to.

IC:

"Well, personally I go by the principle that there are three kinds of lies: lies, darned lies and statistics. So I am not going to refer to statistics. I find testimonials such as this, this and this are much more effective than statistics at describing human sexual behaviour (and it probably applies to many other sapient species as well)."

[Great Azarath]

I have proof and I will put it after you answer. Also I asked this long before proof came in the convo

"What I would do is irrelevant to the argument. If you do not have any proof to back up your so-called arguments, just say so. If you do then please provide it. Otherwise stop wasting this Assembly's time with your flawed and childish arguments."

Why are you avoiding the question? Would you have unprotected sex with a stranger?

[Dilange]

"You are making the very incorrect assumption that the author will read it, Ambassador. So far he has been very adept at ignoring evidence that is against him."

PRO: "Prostitution should not be a crime. Prostitutes are not committing an inherently harmful act. While the spread of disease and other detriments are possible in the practice of prostitution, criminalization is a sure way of exacerbating rather than addressing such effects. We saw this quite clearly in the time of alcohol prohibition in this country.

...What makes prostitution a 'victimless crime' in the sense that no one is necessarily harmed by it is that there are consenting adults involved."

I completely agree....

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute's compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."
Having sex with children is illegal. It will have regardless of what happens to this resolution. This resolution states nothing about pimps. They are illegal now and still will be. Exploitation, sexual harrassment and rape...ILLEGAL. "The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution." doesnt make sense to me.
That was the first one I saw....

Who said that Azarite delegate? And what category?

[Separatist Peoples]

"You are making the very incorrect assumption that the author will read it, Ambassador. So far he has been very adept at ignoring evidence that is against him."

PRO: "Prostitution should not be a crime. Prostitutes are not committing an inherently harmful act. While the spread of disease and other detriments are possible in the practice of prostitution, criminalization is a sure way of exacerbating rather than addressing such effects. We saw this quite clearly in the time of alcohol prohibition in this country.

...What makes prostitution a 'victimless crime' in the sense that no one is necessarily harmed by it is that there are consenting adults involved."

I completely agree....

Prostitution creates a setting whereby crimes against men, women, and children become a commercial enterprise.... It is an assault when he/she forces a prostitute to engage in sadomasochistic sex scenes. When a pimp compels a prostitute to submit to sexual demands as a condition of employment, it is exploitation, sexual harassment, or rape -- acts that are based on the prostitute's compliance rather than her consent. The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution."
Having sex with children is illegal. It will have regardless of what happens to this resolution. This resolution states nothing about pimps. They are illegal now and still will be. Exploitation, sexual harrassment and rape...ILLEGAL. "The fact that a pimp or customer gives money to a prostitute for submitting to these acts does not alter the fact that child sexual abuse, rape, and/or battery occurs; it merely redefines these crimes as prostitution." doesnt make sense to me.
That was the first one I saw....

Why doesn't it surprise me that arguments against prostitution don't make sense to you. Of course they don't, you don't really seem to give much of a damn about anybody's political ideas that are not your own.

If you really think that this has any support whatsoever, put it to vote. Submit it. We will see if it passes. Or even makes quorum.

[Dizyntk]

"What I would do is irrelevant to the argument. If you do not have any proof to back up your so-called arguments, just say so. If you do then please provide it. Otherwise stop wasting this Assembly's time with your flawed and childish arguments."

Why are you avoiding the question? Would you have unprotected sex with a stranger?

"Ahh, so the Ambassador has NO evidence to back up his claims. Just as we thought. He is merely using his own opinions with absolutely no proof to back them. He demands proof of others and it is provided. We demand proof of him and he ignores the request and goes off on a tangent. It is obvious that the Ambassador has absolutely no idea how to properly engage in a political debate,"

[Alqania]

"What I would do is irrelevant to the argument. If you do not have any proof to back up your so-called arguments, just say so. If you do then please provide it. Otherwise stop wasting this Assembly's time with your flawed and childish arguments."

Why are you avoiding the question? Would you have unprotected sex with a stranger?

"Insisting that Her Royal Highness answer such a question is making the debate more personal, which Your Excellency has previously stated is something Your Excellency does not want the debate to become."