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[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

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Will you vote yes on this resolution? Only WA members please

Yes, I agree
113
37%
Yes, I agree somewhat
30
10%
Undecided
5
2%
No, I disagree somewhat
25
8%
No, I disagree
134
44%
 
Total votes : 307

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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:21 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
I would request that you resubmit them for the benefit of the author?

Yes, please show me these "sources."

Sigh..."Very well, this is the segement I referenced earlier."

Legalized or decriminalized prostitution industries are one of the root causes of sex trafficking. One argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that legalization would help end the exploitation of desperate immigrant women trafficked for prostitution. A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11). As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC [Central and Eastern European Countries] (IOM, 1995: 4).

The government of the Netherlands promotes itself as the champion of anti-trafficking policies and programs, yet cynically has removed every legal impediment to pimping, procurement and brothels. In the year 2000, the Dutch Ministry of Justice argued for a legal quota of foreign sex workers, because the Dutch prostitution market demands a variety of bodies (Dutting, 2001: 16). Also in the year 2000, the Dutch government sought and received a judgment from the European Court recognizing prostitution as an economic activity, thus enabling women from the EU and former Soviet bloc countries to obtain working permits as sex workers in the Dutch sex industry if they can prove that they are self employed. NGOs in the Netherlands have stated that traffickers are taking advantage of this ruling to bring foreign women into the Dutch prostitution industry by masking the fact that women have been trafficked, and by coaching the women how to prove that they are self-employed migrant sex workers.

In the one year since lifting the ban on brothels in the Netherlands, NGOs report that there has been an increase of victims of trafficking or, at best, that the number of victims from other countries has remained the same (Bureau NRM, 2002: 75). Forty-three municipalities in the Netherlands want to follow a no-brothel policy, but the Minister of Justice has indicated that the complete banning of prostitution within any municipality could conflict with the right to free choice of work (Bureau NRM: 2002) as guaranteed in the federal Grondwet or Constitution.

In January, 2002, prostitution in Germany was fully established as a legitimate job after years of being legalized in so-called eros or tolerance zones. Promotion of prostitution, pimping and brothels are now legal in Germany. As early as 1993, after the first steps towards legalization had been taken, it was recognized (even by pro-prostitution advocates) that 75 per cent of the women in Germany's prostitution industry were foreigners from Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay and other countries in South America (Altink, 1993: 33). After the fall of the Berlin wall, brothel owners reported that 9 out of every 10 women in the German sex industry were from eastern Europe (Altink, 1993: 43) and other former Soviet countries.

The sheer volume of foreign women who are in the prostitution industry in Germany, by some NGO estimates now up to 85 per cent, casts further doubt on the fact that these numbers of women could have entered Germany without facilitation. As in the Netherlands, NGOs report that most of the foreign women have been trafficked into the country since it is almost impossible for poor women to facilitate their own migration, underwrite the costs of travel and travel documents, and set themselves up in business without outside help.

The link between legalization of prostitution and trafficking in Australia was recognized in the U.S. State Department's 1999 Country Report on Human Rights Practices, released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. In the country report on Australia, it was noted that in the State of Victoria which legalized prostitution in the 1980s, trafficking in East Asian women for the sex trade is a growing problem in Australia. Lax laws, including legalized prostitution in parts of the country, make [anti-trafficking] enforcement difficult at the working level.


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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:21 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:If you are aware then they cannot really hide, now can they?
Okay, if we legalize prostitution then it will help lower it. This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being.


No it wont. Being aware that it occurs doesn't mean we know exactly where and who causes it to happen...thats a serious failure of logic.

And if we legalize it, all that happens is that the traffickers can hide behind the profession of prostitution much more easily. These arguments have already been brought up...

It's your responsibility to find out where they are taking place since you are completely aware. As I stated before (regarding your second statement) "This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested their self. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being." Why do you ignore this?
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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:22 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
No it wont. Being aware that it occurs doesn't mean we know exactly where and who causes it to happen...thats a serious failure of logic.

And if we legalize it, all that happens is that the traffickers can hide behind the profession of prostitution much more easily. These arguments have already been brought up...

It's your responsibility to find out where they are taking place since you are completely aware. As I stated before (regarding your second statement) "This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested their self. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being." Why do you ignore this?

"We did not ignore it. We provided examples of why that is not the case. Examples you have yet to refute."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
No it wont. Being aware that it occurs doesn't mean we know exactly where and who causes it to happen...thats a serious failure of logic.

And if we legalize it, all that happens is that the traffickers can hide behind the profession of prostitution much more easily. These arguments have already been brought up...

It's your responsibility to find out where they are taking place since you are completely aware. As I stated before (regarding your second statement) "This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested their self. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being." Why do you ignore this?


Because they wouldn't go to the authorities. They aren't able to without reprisal. That is how the industry works.

And why the hell do you think that just because we know that a human trafficking operation can occur and hide behind this means that it is that simple to catch them? If we cannot catch them in the act, then we are unable to stop them. This act literally makes it more difficult to stop.

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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Dizyntk wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:Yes, please show me these "sources."

Sigh..."Very well, this is the segement I referenced earlier."

Legalized or decriminalized prostitution industries are one of the root causes of sex trafficking. One argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that legalization would help end the exploitation of desperate immigrant women trafficked for prostitution. A report done for the governmental Budapest Group* stated that 80% of women in the brothels in the Netherlands are trafficked from other countries (Budapest Group, 1999: 11). As early as 1994, the International Organization of Migration (IOM) stated that in the Netherlands alone, nearly 70 per cent of trafficked women were from CEEC [Central and Eastern European Countries] (IOM, 1995: 4).

The government of the Netherlands promotes itself as the champion of anti-trafficking policies and programs, yet cynically has removed every legal impediment to pimping, procurement and brothels. In the year 2000, the Dutch Ministry of Justice argued for a legal quota of foreign sex workers, because the Dutch prostitution market demands a variety of bodies (Dutting, 2001: 16). Also in the year 2000, the Dutch government sought and received a judgment from the European Court recognizing prostitution as an economic activity, thus enabling women from the EU and former Soviet bloc countries to obtain working permits as sex workers in the Dutch sex industry if they can prove that they are self employed. NGOs in the Netherlands have stated that traffickers are taking advantage of this ruling to bring foreign women into the Dutch prostitution industry by masking the fact that women have been trafficked, and by coaching the women how to prove that they are self-employed migrant sex workers.

In the one year since lifting the ban on brothels in the Netherlands, NGOs report that there has been an increase of victims of trafficking or, at best, that the number of victims from other countries has remained the same (Bureau NRM, 2002: 75). Forty-three municipalities in the Netherlands want to follow a no-brothel policy, but the Minister of Justice has indicated that the complete banning of prostitution within any municipality could conflict with the right to free choice of work (Bureau NRM: 2002) as guaranteed in the federal Grondwet or Constitution.

In January, 2002, prostitution in Germany was fully established as a legitimate job after years of being legalized in so-called eros or tolerance zones. Promotion of prostitution, pimping and brothels are now legal in Germany. As early as 1993, after the first steps towards legalization had been taken, it was recognized (even by pro-prostitution advocates) that 75 per cent of the women in Germany's prostitution industry were foreigners from Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay and other countries in South America (Altink, 1993: 33). After the fall of the Berlin wall, brothel owners reported that 9 out of every 10 women in the German sex industry were from eastern Europe (Altink, 1993: 43) and other former Soviet countries.

The sheer volume of foreign women who are in the prostitution industry in Germany, by some NGO estimates now up to 85 per cent, casts further doubt on the fact that these numbers of women could have entered Germany without facilitation. As in the Netherlands, NGOs report that most of the foreign women have been trafficked into the country since it is almost impossible for poor women to facilitate their own migration, underwrite the costs of travel and travel documents, and set themselves up in business without outside help.

The link between legalization of prostitution and trafficking in Australia was recognized in the U.S. State Department's 1999 Country Report on Human Rights Practices, released by the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights and Labor. In the country report on Australia, it was noted that in the State of Victoria which legalized prostitution in the 1980s, trafficking in East Asian women for the sex trade is a growing problem in Australia. Lax laws, including legalized prostitution in parts of the country, make [anti-trafficking] enforcement difficult at the working level.


If you wish to read the entire article it is located Here

Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.
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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:28 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:It's your responsibility to find out where they are taking place since you are completely aware. As I stated before (regarding your second statement) "This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested their self. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being." Why do you ignore this?


Because they wouldn't go to the authorities. They aren't able to without reprisal. That is how the industry works.

And why the hell do you think that just because we know that a human trafficking operation can occur and hide behind this means that it is that simple to catch them? If we cannot catch them in the act, then we are unable to stop them. This act literally makes it more difficult to stop.

"Personally, Ambassador SaDiablo, I am starting to think that this representative is, in fact, looking to aid these traffickers. His insistance on trying to pass this over all sound argument would suggest this."
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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:31 pm

Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.


"Cannot read it??? Really?? Then I reccomend that NO Ambassadors read this insipid proposal of yours either. Just take my word that it is not worth the paper it is written on. In fact it does a disservice to said paper....can't read it indeed."
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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:32 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:It's your responsibility to find out where they are taking place since you are completely aware. As I stated before (regarding your second statement) "This is because now it is legal prostitutes can tell the authorities about these illegal affair without fear of being arrested their self. I imagine that many would stay quite for sake of their well being." Why do you ignore this?


Because they wouldn't go to the authorities. They aren't able to without reprisal. That is how the industry works.

And why the hell do you think that just because we know that a human trafficking operation can occur and hide behind this means that it is that simple to catch them? If we cannot catch them in the act, then we are unable to stop them. This act literally makes it more difficult to stop.

Yes they would. What do you mean without reprisal? If they go to authorities, it is unlikely she will be with this person again with him locked up. You don't need to catch them in the act. Just do a simple investigation. You're throwing away responsibilities. This act almost encourages prostitutes to come to authorities.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:33 pm

Great Azarath wrote:Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.

What? How does that make sense at all???
The US recognizes that there is drug trade, but can it just stop it all? No. There is more to it. Please stop making arguments that an 8 year old would make...

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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:33 pm

Dizyntk wrote:
Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.


"Cannot read it??? Really?? Then I reccomend that NO Ambassadors read this insipid proposal of yours either. Just take my word that it is not worth the paper it is written on. In fact it does a disservice to said paper....can't read it indeed."

I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.
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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:33 pm

Dizyntk wrote:
Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.


"Cannot read it??? Really?? Then I reccomend that NO Ambassadors read this insipid proposal of yours either. Just take my word that it is not worth the paper it is written on. In fact it does a disservice to said paper....can't read it indeed."

I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:34 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Because they wouldn't go to the authorities. They aren't able to without reprisal. That is how the industry works.

And why the hell do you think that just because we know that a human trafficking operation can occur and hide behind this means that it is that simple to catch them? If we cannot catch them in the act, then we are unable to stop them. This act literally makes it more difficult to stop.

Yes they would. What do you mean without reprisal? If they go to authorities, it is unlikely she will be with this person again with him locked up. You don't need to catch them in the act. Just do a simple investigation. You're throwing away responsibilities. This act almost encourages prostitutes to come to authorities.


A simple investigation takes more time then you seem to think. If a whore goes to the cops, they will either ignore her, or investigate. If they investigate, it will certainly take some time before they uncover any conclusive evidence. In the mean time, the traffickers have managed to exact their reprisal on the whore. Your logic is still seriously flawed.

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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:36 pm

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Dizyntk wrote:
"Cannot read it??? Really?? Then I reccomend that NO Ambassadors read this insipid proposal of yours either. Just take my word that it is not worth the paper it is written on. In fact it does a disservice to said paper....can't read it indeed."

I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.

"And yet you continue to try and argue against what my sources have specific evidence FOR. The longer you go along this track, the more foolish your arguments become. But by all means continue. You are simply digging this proposal's grave all the deeper."
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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:Alright, I will recognize this as a source, because I just cannot read that at the moment. But By reading the first paragraph this seems to be a very biased. It is strictly focusing on the con with no regards to the pro's such as economic and civil growth. I don't see this as very creditable, for of the bias. But I can see what you mean. My thing is, if you know all of this then you can be fully aware and do your best to stop it.

What? How does that make sense at all???
The US recognizes that there is drug trade, but can it just stop it all? No. There is more to it. Please stop making arguments that an 8 year old would make...

My apologies. Let me revise that: What I dont agree with is, if you have so much information on it and you are fully aware of it then you can do your best to stop it. Yes, the U.S. is aware and about every week or two you hear about a big find on drugs and all. They are doing their best, and as should you.
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Postby Alqania » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:38 pm

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Great Azarath wrote:Yes they would. What do you mean without reprisal? If they go to authorities, it is unlikely she will be with this person again with him locked up. You don't need to catch them in the act. Just do a simple investigation. You're throwing away responsibilities. This act almost encourages prostitutes to come to authorities.


A simple investigation takes more time then you seem to think. If a whore goes to the cops, they will either ignore her, or investigate. If they investigate, it will certainly take some time before they uncover any conclusive evidence. In the mean time, the traffickers have managed to exact their reprisal on the whore. Your logic is still seriously flawed.


"And in nations that have strong views against illegal immigration, a prostitute who is the victim of international sexual trafficking would be deported back to his or her home country and the poor living conditions that made him or her vulnerable to human traffickers in the first place, probably much quicker than the police would be able to investigate his or her allegations."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:38 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:What? How does that make sense at all???
The US recognizes that there is drug trade, but can it just stop it all? No. There is more to it. Please stop making arguments that an 8 year old would make...

My apologies. Let me revise that: What I dont agree with is, if you have so much information on it and you are fully aware of it then you can do your best to stop it. Yes, the U.S. is aware and about every week or two you hear about a big find on drugs and all. They are doing their best, and as should you.


No matter how hard the US works, they don't get it all, do they? The same is true for our nations. This act is just complicating that. Your reasoning is pathetically misinformed.

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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:38 pm

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"Cannot read it??? Really?? Then I reccomend that NO Ambassadors read this insipid proposal of yours either. Just take my word that it is not worth the paper it is written on. In fact it does a disservice to said paper....can't read it indeed."

I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.

Well, maybe if you'd stop beating your head against the wall by trying to get this proposal that most people here hate passed, maybe you wouldn't have that problem.

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Postby Alpha and Delta Pact » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:40 pm

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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:41 pm

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Great Azarath wrote:I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.

"And yet you continue to try and argue against what my sources have specific evidence FOR. The longer you go along this track, the more foolish your arguments become. But by all means continue. You are simply digging this proposal's grave all the deeper."

Please please please! I am trying to be polite, stop bluntly insulting me when I have done nothing.
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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:43 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:I cannot read it for a actual reason, not for laziness. You see, I have a throbbing headache for reasons I do not need to go into.

Well, maybe if you'd stop beating your head against the wall by trying to get this proposal that most people here hate passed, maybe you wouldn't have that problem.

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Read the message I said to dizynk or what ever his name is. I dont remember.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:43 pm

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Dizyntk wrote:"And yet you continue to try and argue against what my sources have specific evidence FOR. The longer you go along this track, the more foolish your arguments become. But by all means continue. You are simply digging this proposal's grave all the deeper."

Please please please! I am trying to be polite, stop bluntly insulting me when I have done nothing.


We aren't being insulting for the fun of it. We are being insulting because you don't seem to respond to anything else. This proposal is widely dispised, your arguments have been poor, and the means by which you attempted to procure support has been proven to be less then truthful. Please let this die, and then everybody can leave happy, yourself included.

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Postby Dizyntk » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:44 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Dizyntk wrote:"And yet you continue to try and argue against what my sources have specific evidence FOR. The longer you go along this track, the more foolish your arguments become. But by all means continue. You are simply digging this proposal's grave all the deeper."

Please please please! I am trying to be polite, stop bluntly insulting me when I have done nothing.

"Insulting you? When have I done that? I have insulted your arguments and logic, Ambassador, not you. And I will continue to do so as long as your arguments continue on their present course."
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Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:46 pm

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Great Azarath wrote:My apologies. Let me revise that: What I dont agree with is, if you have so much information on it and you are fully aware of it then you can do your best to stop it. Yes, the U.S. is aware and about every week or two you hear about a big find on drugs and all. They are doing their best, and as should you.


No matter how hard the US works, they don't get it all, do they? The same is true for our nations. This act is just complicating that. Your reasoning is pathetically misinformed.

That goes for any crime. Even without the resolution you will still have it. Except, with it you will have people leading you on information....
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Leader of The Kingdom of Great Azarath

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Great Azarath
Diplomat
 
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Founded: Aug 15, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Great Azarath » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:47 pm

Dizyntk wrote:
Great Azarath wrote:Please please please! I am trying to be polite, stop bluntly insulting me when I have done nothing.

"Insulting you? When have I done that? I have insulted your arguments and logic, Ambassador, not you. And I will continue to do so as long as your arguments continue on their present course."

Continue, be my guest. I will just ignore you.
From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
Dr. Xzavier M.
Leader of The Kingdom of Great Azarath

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Separatist Peoples
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Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:47 pm

Great Azarath wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
No matter how hard the US works, they don't get it all, do they? The same is true for our nations. This act is just complicating that. Your reasoning is pathetically misinformed.

That goes for any crime. Even without the resolution you will still have it. Except, with it you will have people leading you on information....


And without it, we have a much easier time catching those responsible for it.

His Worshipfulness Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

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