[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Great Azarath]

Transfer........I didn't see nations or countries or anything like that. He was exaggerating to the point where is just can be considered valid

"The definition probably avoided terms like nations and countries because it could apply also to different states within a federation or other types of local governments. Or just from the countryside to the city. Her Royal Highness was however correct that the transfer is often, even if not always, from one nation to another - does Your Excellency disagree with that? Your Excellency seemed to define trafficking as slavery, which is false, since trafficking is transfer into slavery. I must agree with Her Royal Highness that I am not sure Your Excellency fully understands what sexual trafficking is."

OOC: I am guessing you got your definition from the Wikipedia article on Sexual slavery. If you scroll down to the "Human trafficking" section of that article, it says this:

Human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation is a major cause of contemporary sexual slavery.

The most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the US, according to a report by UNODC.

The countries that are major sources of trafficked persons include Thailand, China, Nigeria, Albania, Bulgaria, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.

Since Thailand is the only RL country that is both a common destination and major source for human trafficking, a lot of it takes place across national borders.

You should watch what you say, I got the definition from a dictionary.....are you really challenging it?
I dont know, that list doesnt seem accurate. I mean, you left out the big one...cambodia

[Dizyntk]

You should watch what you say, I got the definition from a dictionary.....are you really challenging it?

"Then either your dictionary is woefully inaccurate or you did not bother to read the entire definition. Try reading this from the UN-named organization."

[Kingdoms of Cal]

small point...how do you make it illegal? You buy someone dinner and expect sex, and they provide? you marry/civil partner and give them a good life and they provide.

To ban it you have to provide an exact definition (good luck on that).

Many nations ban everything about it but not the act unless you sex with out government consent. But that could only exists in the most oppressive of police states. From what I can figure this is just an act to make what has always happened safer for those involved.

It is called the oldest profession for a reason.

[Dizyntk]

small point...how do you make it illegal? You buy someone dinner and expect sex, and they provide? you marry/civil partner and give them a good life and they provide.

To ban it you have to provide an exact definition (good luck on that).

Many nations ban everything about it but not the act unless you sex with out government consent. But that could only exists in the most oppressive of police states. From what I can figure this is just an act to make what has always happened safer for those involved.

It is called the oldest profession for a reason.

"Really? You expect sex just for providing dinner? Remind me to never go out to dinner with you. And if the reason you state is considered an adequate one to get married in your nation, then I can only pity you. You are not helping this sinking ship at all. Unless pouring in more water is your definition of help."

[Great Azarath]

small point...how do you make it illegal? You buy someone dinner and expect sex, and they provide? you marry/civil partner and give them a good life and they provide.

To ban it you have to provide an exact definition (good luck on that).

Many nations ban everything about it but not the act unless you sex with out government consent. But that could only exists in the most oppressive of police states. From what I can figure this is just an act to make what has always happened safer for those involved.

It is called the oldest profession for a reason.

I dont understand you...

[Separatist Peoples]

small point...how do you make it illegal? You buy someone dinner and expect sex, and they provide? you marry/civil partner and give them a good life and they provide.

To ban it you have to provide an exact definition (good luck on that).

Many nations ban everything about it but not the act unless you sex with out government consent. But that could only exists in the most oppressive of police states. From what I can figure this is just an act to make what has always happened safer for those involved.

It is called the oldest profession for a reason.

I dont understand you...

That seems to be a reoccurring issue for the Azarathian delegation...

[Alqania]

OOC:

You should watch what you say

Is that a threat?

I got the definition from a dictionary.....are you really challenging it?

I said I GUESSED that you got the definition from Wikipedia. The reason I guessed that is because your definition was identical to the one on Wikipedia. Maybe that's because you and Wikipedia got it from the same dictionary.

Your definition was:

sexual slavery or forced sexual slavery is the organized coercion of unwilling people into different sexual practices

Congratulations! That is a definition of (forced) sexual slavery, NOT of sexual trafficking.

Here in the General Assembly, we write our own definitions when we write resolutions. Resolution #23 defines human trafficking and as long as that resolution is in effect, that definition is the word of law in all WA member states. That definition is therefore THE relevant definition. Whatever anyone finds in a (RL) dictionary is then irrelevant.

I dont know, that list doesnt seem accurate. I mean, you left out the big one...cambodia

My point was that a lot of trafficking is international. Even if we add Cambodia as both a destination and a source, most of the countries involved are one of those things, not both.

[Great Azarath]

I dont understand you...

That seems to be a reoccurring issue for the Azarathian delegation...

Oh, shut up. And it's Azarite

[Great Azarath]

OOC:

You should watch what you say

Is that a threat?

I got the definition from a dictionary.....are you really challenging it?

I said I GUESSED that you got the definition from Wikipedia. The reason I guessed that is because your definition was identical to the one on Wikipedia. Maybe that's because you and Wikipedia got it from the same dictionary.

Your definition was:

sexual slavery or forced sexual slavery is the organized coercion of unwilling people into different sexual practices

Congratulations! That is a definition of (forced) sexual slavery, NOT of sexual trafficking.

Here in the General Assembly, we write our own definitions when we write resolutions. Resolution #23 defines human trafficking and as long as that resolution is in effect, that definition is the word of law in all WA member states. That definition is therefore THE relevant definition. Whatever anyone finds in a (RL) dictionary is then irrelevant.

I dont know, that list doesnt seem accurate. I mean, you left out the big one...cambodia

My point was that a lot of trafficking is international. Even if we add Cambodia as both a destination and a source, most of the countries involved are one of those things, not both.

1: No it's not a threat. It's to stop you from looking like a fool
2: ......If its not BOTH then how is it relevant.
3 And the definition for the WA doesnt apply to this...

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Well as no one has even tried to define prostitution as yet, and the idea that consent is not involved from the part selling there body worries me. There is a term for sex with someone that does not consent it is called rape.

Rape is quiet clear in most legal systems. Sex with someone with out there consent. Kinda like murder is premeditated homicide, not tricky.

Prostitution involves both parties agreeing to sex for a fee where one part achieve wealth from it. Hence my point about marriage/partnerships and many other things.

Define the line?

There is next to no prostitution in the commonwealth no because it is illegal but because the females are open about their sexuality* and don't really care.

Lady Jeo smiled "if your people need prostitutes your guys need help...really you guys are that bad? You seem to know a lot more about them than I do"

ooc: my link is playing up sorry for any dupes.

[Alqania]

1: No it's not a threat. It's to stop you from looking like a fool
2: ......If its not BOTH then how is it relevant.
3 And the definition for the WA doesnt apply to this...

OOC:

1. Do you want to bet which one of us most people in here think looks like the biggest fool? You could make it a poll...

2. I don't understand what you mean by that comment. Please elaborate.

3. The WA definition is the only definition that applies to this. Dictionaries don't apply.

[Great Azarath]

Alright, lets not get to personal....for the sake of my sanity. Just stick with the topic peoples

[Dizyntk]

"Why don't you just try and submit the proposal again, Ambassador. Are you afraid that it will fall flat on it's face AGAIN? It failed to reach quorom last time and you have made NO substantial changes in it since then. This bill will never reach quorom. By some miracle if it did, I highly doubt it would be voted into law. And even if it managed to achieve that miraculous feat, it would not affect my nation in the slightest because there are enough holes in this proposal that I would be able to legally ignore it until the end of time."

[Great Azarath]

"Why don't you just try and submit the proposal again, Ambassador. Are you afraid that it will fall flat on it's face AGAIN? It failed to reach quorom last time and you have made NO substantial changes in it since then. This bill will never reach quorom. By some miracle if it did, I highly doubt it would be voted into law. And even if it managed to achieve that miraculous feat, it would not affect my nation in the slightest because there are enough holes in this proposal that I would be able to legally ignore it until the end of time."

[Alqania]

"Why don't you just try and submit the proposal again, Ambassador. Are you afraid that it will fall flat on it's face AGAIN? It failed to reach quorom last time and you have made NO substantial changes in it since then. This bill will never reach quorom. By some miracle if it did, I highly doubt it would be voted into law. And even if it managed to achieve that miraculous feat, it would not affect my nation in the slightest because there are enough holes in this proposal that I would be able to legally ignore it until the end of time."

........obviously I am still editing it, hence all the times I said stay on topic, what changes should be made. ect. Are you slow or just blind? Please, answer.....

"If it is indeed Your Excellency's wish to not get too personal in the debate, I would recommend refraining from asking fellow Ambassadors if they are slow or blind."

[Great Azarath]

........obviously I am still editing it, hence all the times I said stay on topic, what changes should be made. ect. Are you slow or just blind? Please, answer.....

"If it is indeed Your Excellency's wish to not get too personal in the debate, I would recommend refraining from asking fellow Ambassadors if they are slow or blind."

Heh, you're right.

[Dizyntk]

"Why don't you just try and submit the proposal again, Ambassador. Are you afraid that it will fall flat on it's face AGAIN? It failed to reach quorom last time and you have made NO substantial changes in it since then. This bill will never reach quorom. By some miracle if it did, I highly doubt it would be voted into law. And even if it managed to achieve that miraculous feat, it would not affect my nation in the slightest because there are enough holes in this proposal that I would be able to legally ignore it until the end of time."

........obviously I am still editing it, hence all the times I said stay on topic, what changes should be made. ect. Are you slow or just blind? Please, answer.....

Sigh..."No, Ambassador, the slow and blind is the one that looks back at you in the mirror every morning apparently. You have completely failed to comprehend that the majority of posts in this thread are against the very concept of this proposal. You are blind to the fact that the majority of nations are opposed to this concept. You are slow to accept the fact that this proposal will NEVER be passed into law. With that being said, I suggest that the other Ambassadors retire to the bar. there we can have a drink to nurse the headache that has been caused by this debate."

[Great Azarath]

........obviously I am still editing it, hence all the times I said stay on topic, what changes should be made. ect. Are you slow or just blind? Please, answer.....

Sigh..."No, Ambassador, the slow and blind is the one that looks back at you in the mirror every morning apparently. You have completely failed to comprehend that the majority of posts in this thread are against the very concept of this proposal. You are blind to the fact that the majority of nations are opposed to this concept. You are slow to accept the fact that this proposal will NEVER be passed into law. With that being said, I suggest that the other Ambassadors retire to the bar. there we can have a drink to nurse the headache that has been caused by this debate."

Your wasting time saying stuff like this, I am and will never give up.

[Separatist Peoples]

Sigh..."No, Ambassador, the slow and blind is the one that looks back at you in the mirror every morning apparently. You have completely failed to comprehend that the majority of posts in this thread are against the very concept of this proposal. You are blind to the fact that the majority of nations are opposed to this concept. You are slow to accept the fact that this proposal will NEVER be passed into law. With that being said, I suggest that the other Ambassadors retire to the bar. there we can have a drink to nurse the headache that has been caused by this debate."

Your wasting time saying stuff like this, I am and will never give up.

Which is proof that you aren't just stubborn, you're insane. But by all means, submit it. Nobody's had any suggestions, the text must be fine, right?

[Dizyntk]

"Then by all means, submit it again. I shall enjoy watching it crash and burn."

[Great Azarath]

Your wasting time saying stuff like this, I am and will never give up.

Which is proof that you aren't just stubborn, you're insane. But by all means, submit it. Nobody's had any suggestions, the text must be fine, right?

Nope, you guys have just been hogging the thread

[Separatist Peoples]

Which is proof that you aren't just stubborn, you're insane. But by all means, submit it. Nobody's had any suggestions, the text must be fine, right?

Nope, you guys have just been hogging the thread

Does it not concern you that the majority is against this? Do you not care that you are attempting to ram something unwanted down our throats? You're raping us with your proposal. You are proposal-raping us.

[Dizyntk]

Which is proof that you aren't just stubborn, you're insane. But by all means, submit it. Nobody's had any suggestions, the text must be fine, right?

Nope, you guys have just been hogging the thread

"If thinking that makes you feel better, then by all means continue in your fantasy land."

[Great Azarath]

Nope, you guys have just been hogging the thread

"If thinking that makes you feel better, then by all means continue in your fantasy land."

I have nothing to say but, thumbs up to lala land

[Great Azarath]

Nope, you guys have just been hogging the thread

Does it not concern you that the majority is against this? Do you not care that you are attempting to ram something unwanted down our throats? You're raping us with your proposal. You are proposal-raping us.