[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Great Azarath]

I dont get natsov as a legit reason to opppose a resolution. I mean think about it. If you agree then you vote yes, if you dont then no. But saying its not up to you doesnt cut it for me.

[Dizyntk]

But is in fact similar. Sex trafficking can go under the guise of prostitution and be completely legal.

No, it can. Its against someones will. Its illegal, it's rape. And that is illegal

"Just because it is illegal does not mean it will not happen. And I think that I have pointed that out before. Are you being deliberately obtuse about this subject?"

[Dizyntk]

I dont get natsov as a legit reason to opppose a resolution. I mean think about it. If you agree then you vote yes, if you dont then no. But saying its not up to you doesnt cut it for me.

"Then you should seriously stop debating and go read up the subject. National Soveriegnty is an accepted argument against many proposals. It simply means that the Ambassador using it believes that individual nations are better situated to act on a given subject than the WA."

[Great Azarath]

No, it can. Its against someones will. Its illegal, it's rape. And that is illegal

"Just because it is illegal does not mean it will not happen. And I think that I have pointed that out before. Are you being deliberately obtuse about this subject?"

I realize that. My point is you cant compare them because one is legal and the other isnt.

[Great Azarath]

I dont get natsov as a legit reason to opppose a resolution. I mean think about it. If you agree then you vote yes, if you dont then no. But saying its not up to you doesnt cut it for me.

"Then you should seriously stop debating and go read up the subject. National Soveriegnty is an accepted argument against many proposals. It simply means that the Ambassador using it believes that individual nations are better situated to act on a given subject than the WA."

I know what it means, I just dont see how you can use it in a nation

[Dizyntk]

"Just because it is illegal does not mean it will not happen. And I think that I have pointed that out before. Are you being deliberately obtuse about this subject?"

I realize that. My point is you cant compare them because one is legal and the other isnt.

"Do you have any concept of how criminal organizations operate? They use LEGAL businesses to hide the fact that they are using ILLEGAL methods. Try to at least have some idea of how the world operates before making such statements."

[Great Azarath]

I realize that. My point is you cant compare them because one is legal and the other isnt.

"Do you have any concept of how criminal organizations operate? They use LEGAL businesses to hide the fact that they are using ILLEGAL methods. Try to at least have some idea of how the world operates before making such statements."

Alright then, let me put it this way. You said: They use legal businesses to hide illegal operations.....but if your aware of this then they cant hide. Also, like I said before, they can just go to authorties

[Dizyntk]

"Then you should seriously stop debating and go read up the subject. National Soveriegnty is an accepted argument against many proposals. It simply means that the Ambassador using it believes that individual nations are better situated to act on a given subject than the WA."

I know what it means, I just dont see how you can use it in a nation

"You do realize that your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."

[Alqania]

"Then you should seriously stop debating and go read up the subject. National Soveriegnty is an accepted argument against many proposals. It simply means that the Ambassador using it believes that individual nations are better situated to act on a given subject than the WA."

I know what it means, I just dont see how you can use it in a nation

"Let's say, hypothetically, that there is a nation which is a federation of states. In that nation, some matters are legislated on a state level and others are legislated on a federal level. When something new comes along, there might be a discussion about whether it should be addressed on the state or federal level. Let's say that there is a proposal to ban all things purple. Some people want it to be banned federally. Now, one of the states happen to love everything purple and believes strongly it is their right to decide for themselves that purple is really the best colour. Another state thinks that the issue of things purple is irrelevant and is distracting everyone from the evil of the colour pink, which is really what should be banned federally. A state in this hypothetical nation may very well argue that these issues belong on a state level and are not worthy of federal attention. While the federation may very well hold the right to decide whatever it wants for all the states. See now how this works?"

[Dizyntk]

"Do you have any concept of how criminal organizations operate? They use LEGAL businesses to hide the fact that they are using ILLEGAL methods. Try to at least have some idea of how the world operates before making such statements."

Alright then, let me put it this way. You said: They use legal businesses to hide illegal operations.....but if your aware of this then they cant hide. Also, like I said before, they can just go to authorties

"And what if they cannot go to the authorities? What if they do not speak the language? What if they are afraid of police because of situations in their home nation? What if they do not know where the authorities are in the nation they are now in?"

[Great Azarath]

I know what it means, I just dont see how you can use it in a nation

"You do realize that your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."

change nation to argument. opsy

[Great Azarath]

Alright then, let me put it this way. You said: They use legal businesses to hide illegal operations.....but if your aware of this then they cant hide. Also, like I said before, they can just go to authorties

"And what if they cannot go to the authorities? What if they do not speak the language? What if they are afraid of police because of situations in their home nation? What if they do not know where the authorities are in the nation they are now in?"

....There is always more than one person in a nation that can speak a language. How could you live in a nation, not speak the language and no one else does. That doesnt make sense. You can ALWAYS call authorties. If they are afraid? Well thats something for another resolution. Still the last one doesnt make sense.

[Separatist Peoples]

"You do realize that your statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."

change nation to argument. opsy

There is no rule that indicates that we have to wait for a proposal to make it to vote before tearing into it. Which is good, because we won't stop arguing that this is NOT WORTHY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. It also infringes on a nation's sovereignty far too much to be acceptable. How is it foolish to argue that? How are those points not entirely valid?

[Dizyntk]

"And what if they cannot go to the authorities? What if they do not speak the language? What if they are afraid of police because of situations in their home nation? What if they do not know where the authorities are in the nation they are now in?"

....There is always more than one person in a nation that can speak a language. How could you live in a nation, not speak the language and no one else does. That doesnt make sense. You can ALWAYS call authorties. If they are afraid? Well thats something for another resolution. Still the last one doesnt make sense.

"Do you understand what trafficking means? Obviously you do not so I will try to slowly explain it to you. It means illegaly taking a person from one nation to another. If someone kidnapped you and you ended up in another nation several thousand miles away, why would you know how to speak the language? If the "brothel" was in the countryside, how would you know where the nearest police station was?"

[Great Azarath]

change nation to argument. opsy

There is no rule that indicates that we have to wait for a proposal to make it to vote before tearing into it. Which is good, because we won't stop arguing that this is NOT WORTHY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. It also infringes on a nation's sovereignty far too much to be acceptable. How is it foolish to argue that? How are those points not entirely valid?

I never said it wasnt valid, i never said it was foolish. All I said was i dont understand it. Watch what you say

[Vocatus]

I dont get natsov as a legit reason to opppose a resolution. I mean think about it. If you agree then you vote yes, if you dont then no. But saying its not up to you doesnt cut it for me.

Well, we for one oppose legalization of prostitution with all our hearts. But we can also view such things from other people's perspective, so we can see how a nation with a different culture might not see a problem with prostitution. Therefore we would also lend our half-hearted opposition to a resolution banning prostitution.

It's all about the idea that not every nation in the WA has to be identical.

[Separatist Peoples]

There is no rule that indicates that we have to wait for a proposal to make it to vote before tearing into it. Which is good, because we won't stop arguing that this is NOT WORTHY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. It also infringes on a nation's sovereignty far too much to be acceptable. How is it foolish to argue that? How are those points not entirely valid?

I never said it wasnt valid, i never said it was foolish. All I said was i dont understand it. Watch what you say

I am watching what you say. So much so, that I'm actually reading between the lines, and your statements clearly indicate that you don't find much validity in the argument. Don't threaten me.

[Great Azarath]

....There is always more than one person in a nation that can speak a language. How could you live in a nation, not speak the language and no one else does. That doesnt make sense. You can ALWAYS call authorties. If they are afraid? Well thats something for another resolution. Still the last one doesnt make sense.

"Do you understand what trafficking means? Obviously you do not so I will try to slowly explain it to you. It means illegaly taking a person from one nation to another. If someone kidnapped you and you ended up in another nation several thousand miles away, why would you know how to speak the language? If the "brothel" was in the countryside, how would you know where the nearest police station was?"

That is NOT the definition. It has nothing to do with taking someone out of a nation what so ever. The definition of Sex Trafficking is sexual slavery or forced sexual slavery is the organized coercion of unwilling people into different sexual practices. YOU obviously dont know. And just with that definition, it is illegal so you cannot use it in a argument. It is irrelevent

[Alqania]

....There is always more than one person in a nation that can speak a language. How could you live in a nation, not speak the language and no one else does. That doesnt make sense. You can ALWAYS call authorties. If they are afraid? Well thats something for another resolution. Still the last one doesnt make sense.

"Do you understand what trafficking means? Obviously you do not so I will try to slowly explain it to you. It means illegaly taking a person from one nation to another. If someone kidnapped you and you ended up in another nation several thousand miles away, why would you know how to speak the language? If the "brothel" was in the countryside, how would you know where the nearest police station was?"

"Not to mention that having illegally entered a nation is often grounds for the authorities to send one back to wherever one came from, which for trafficking victims would typically be poverty, starvation and similar living conditions."

[Great Azarath]

I never said it wasnt valid, i never said it was foolish. All I said was i dont understand it. Watch what you say

I am watching what you say. So much so, that I'm actually reading between the lines, and your statements clearly indicate that you don't find much validity in the argument. Don't threaten me.

...Your putting false words in my mouth. You should stop. Who;s threating who?

[Great Azarath]

"Do you understand what trafficking means? Obviously you do not so I will try to slowly explain it to you. It means illegaly taking a person from one nation to another. If someone kidnapped you and you ended up in another nation several thousand miles away, why would you know how to speak the language? If the "brothel" was in the countryside, how would you know where the nearest police station was?"

"Not to mention that having illegally entered a nation is often grounds for the authorities to send one back to wherever one came from, which for trafficking victims would typically be poverty, starvation and similar living conditions."

Still has nothing to do with the definition

[Alqania]

"Do you understand what trafficking means? Obviously you do not so I will try to slowly explain it to you. It means illegaly taking a person from one nation to another. If someone kidnapped you and you ended up in another nation several thousand miles away, why would you know how to speak the language? If the "brothel" was in the countryside, how would you know where the nearest police station was?"

That is NOT the definition. It has nothing to do with taking someone out of a nation what so ever. The definition of Sex Trafficking is sexual slavery or forced sexual slavery is the organized coercion of unwilling people into different sexual practices. YOU obviously dont know. And just with that definition, it is illegal so you cannot use it in a argument. It is irrelevent

"Human trafficking is defined by WAR #23 Ban on Slavery and Trafficking like this:

4. Forcing or inducing the transfer of any person against their freely given will, or assisting or financing such actions, through similar forms of coercion, for the purposes of exploitation, such as slavery or forced labour, or situations approximating to such, sexual exploitation, or unauthorised medical procedures, shall be considered 'human trafficking' and immediately prohibited in all nations;

I took the liberty of highlighting the word transfer which means that the definition is all about taking someone from one place to another, hence it being called trafficking, since traffic is about movement and not about slavery or coercion itself."

[Great Azarath]

That is NOT the definition. It has nothing to do with taking someone out of a nation what so ever. The definition of Sex Trafficking is sexual slavery or forced sexual slavery is the organized coercion of unwilling people into different sexual practices. YOU obviously dont know. And just with that definition, it is illegal so you cannot use it in a argument. It is irrelevent

"Human trafficking is defined by WAR #23 Ban on Slavery and Trafficking like this:

4. Forcing or inducing the transfer of any person against their freely given will, or assisting or financing such actions, through similar forms of coercion, for the purposes of exploitation, such as slavery or forced labour, or situations approximating to such, sexual exploitation, or unauthorised medical procedures, shall be considered 'human trafficking' and immediately prohibited in all nations;

I took the liberty of highlighting the word transfer which means that the definition is all about taking someone from one place to another, hence it being called trafficking, since traffic is about movement and not about slavery or coercion itself."

Transfer........I didn't see nations or countries or anything like that. He was exaggerating to the point where is just can be considered valid

[Dizyntk]

"Human trafficking is defined by WAR #23 Ban on Slavery and Trafficking like this:



I took the liberty of highlighting the word transfer which means that the definition is all about taking someone from one place to another, hence it being called trafficking, since traffic is about movement and not about slavery or coercion itself."

Transfer........I didn't see nations or countries or anything like that. He was exaggerating to the point where is just can be considered valid

"I swear it is like arguing warp theory with a six year old. Then I suggest you break out a dictionary and look up the word Trafficking as you clearly have no idea what the word implies and therfore you have no business trying, and failing I might add, to make a rational argument about it."

[Alqania]

"Human trafficking is defined by WAR #23 Ban on Slavery and Trafficking like this:



I took the liberty of highlighting the word transfer which means that the definition is all about taking someone from one place to another, hence it being called trafficking, since traffic is about movement and not about slavery or coercion itself."

Transfer........I didn't see nations or countries or anything like that. He was exaggerating to the point where is just can be considered valid

"The definition probably avoided terms like nations and countries because it could apply also to different states within a federation or other types of local governments. Or just from the countryside to the city. Her Royal Highness was however correct that the transfer is often, even if not always, from one nation to another - does Your Excellency disagree with that? Your Excellency seemed to define trafficking as slavery, which is false, since trafficking is transfer into slavery. I must agree with Her Royal Highness that I am not sure Your Excellency fully understands what sexual trafficking is."

OOC: I am guessing you got your definition from the Wikipedia article on Sexual slavery. If you scroll down to the "Human trafficking" section of that article, it says this:

Human trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation is a major cause of contemporary sexual slavery.

The most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the US, according to a report by UNODC.

The countries that are major sources of trafficked persons include Thailand, China, Nigeria, Albania, Bulgaria, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.

Since Thailand is the only RL country that is both a common destination and major source for human trafficking, a lot of it takes place across national borders.