[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Dizyntk]

OOC: Mom: Stop fighting. Children: Ok. But he started. No he did, uh-uh it was you. We went from insulting to arguing over insulting to arguing over who started insulting and who wants to stop it most. Dear lord, give your heart a break, your blood pressures must be nearly 200 / 140 lol.

OOC: Agreed.

[Great Azarath]

OOC: Mom: Stop fighting. Children: Ok. But he started. No he did, uh-uh it was you. We went from insulting to arguing over insulting to arguing over who started insulting and who wants to stop it most. Dear lord, give your heart a break, your blood pressures must be nearly 200 / 140 lol.

.....I agree, we need to stop the childish behavior; all of us.

[Great Azarath]

I will start with my original reason for this draft, bodily sovereignty. Prostitution is a ancient and beneficial occurrence that we all should have the right to do. Why should any government have the right to limit what we do with our body? The people who oppose have tried comparing it to theift, but the fact is prostitution is between to CONSENTING ADULTS! Both parties know the risk and agree. Why do we stop them? They have been saying it will rise human trafficking rates. Here is my response to that; Many people traffick illegal prostitutes against the prostitutes will. The prostitute cannot go to authorities in fear they will be arrested their self for being a prostitute. But if this is legalized, they ignore the fact that prostitutes would undoubtedly go to authorities for their freedom. So in the long run this resolution lowers human trafficking rates. This helps your economy for it is also a business that makes billions a year.

[Linux and the X]

The Azarathian delegation has proven to have the mental faculties of a fourteen-year old child.

I agree, we need to stop the childish behavior; all of us.

I'm looking at the comments, why is everyone getting so upset? o:

Because, quite simply, you are doing a terrible job at arguing in favour of this proposal. Other ambassadors who intended to submit proposals on the topic to the floor are now forced to delay them, as if submitted now they would be associated with this.

--Rory Akakios Benson, second assistant to the Répresentant internationale of Linux and the X

[Dilange]

I will start with my original reason for this draft, bodily sovereignty. Prostitution is a ancient and beneficial occurrence that we all should have the right to do. Why should any government have the right to limit what we do with our body? The people who oppose have tried comparing it to theift, but the fact is prostitution is between to CONSENTING ADULTS! Both parties know the risk and agree. Why do we stop them? They have been saying it will rise human trafficking rates. Here is my response to that; Many people traffick illegal prostitutes against the prostitutes will. The prostitute cannot go to authorities in fear they will be arrested their self for being a prostitute. But if this is legalized, they ignore the fact that prostitutes would undoubtedly go to authorities for their freedom. So in the long run this resolution lowers human trafficking rates. This helps your economy for it is also a business that makes billions a year.

Prove these points:

-Legal prostitution lowers sex trafficking
-Prostitution is a billion dollar industry
-Prostitution is a bodily right
-Prostitution is between consenting adults

[Flibbleites]

I haven't changed a damn thing in my story. My hypothetical situation was of an overworked and understaffed police department which could mean that sometimes they would have to postpone investigating some cases in order to deal with more important ones.

True, but if all the police officers are currently busy...


Didn't someone else already prove that this isn't the case?

Oh and by the way, answer my damn question already. Would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

1-No, your changing your story. First it's they wouldnt look into it not its "necessarily"

does the reason for the police to not be actively pursuing that case really matter?

2- It doesnt make sense sending out all police. If you dont have the people, its simply because of your bad planning

Or a sudden influx of cases, there's no way to know when a sudden crime spree is going to break out.

3-Uh, no. no one did.

Right, no one in this discussion linked a RL study that showed legalized prostitution increased trafficking rates.

4- I dont need to answer it. I dont spread my police force so thin. It isn't need. So, they can be done at the same time

If you refuse to answer it, I'm going to keep asking.

Now, would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

The WA can pass your proposal but member states can regulate prostitution to make it impossible for prostitution to make revenue.

Itsa loophole.

That can be done for ANY resolution. I doubt someone would......

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites would, in fact our parliament is currently working on a bill that would require that all prostitutes wishing to work in The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites to apply for a license and there's a waiting period of 300 years to obtain the license just in case this actually somehow manages to pass.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Morlago]

After 45 pages and the author is still not tired... *sigh*

[Mahaj]

You actually insulted first and this draft is dead. Many veterans have seen the signs and seen the detioration. Just accept it.

No, he did. And I kow which is why I have stopped insulting

I made one harmless little comment which was because you keep saying over and over how great prostitution is and how people have a right to sex and how sex is the greatest thing since the wheel.

You have insulted me repeatedly and repeatedly.

[Great Azarath]

The Azarathian delegation has proven to have the mental faculties of a fourteen-year old child.

I agree, we need to stop the childish behavior; all of us.

I'm looking at the comments, why is everyone getting so upset? o:

Because, quite simply, you are doing a terrible job at arguing in favour of this proposal. Other ambassadors who intended to submit proposals on the topic to the floor are now forced to delay them, as if submitted now they would be associated with this.

--Rory Akakios Benson, second assistant to the Répresentant internationale of Linux and the X

Stop looking at the old arguments, get with the picture and realize we are not arguing anymore. No offensive intended.

[Mahaj]

Because, quite simply, you are doing a terrible job at arguing in favour of this proposal. Other ambassadors who intended to submit proposals on the topic to the floor are now forced to delay them, as if submitted now they would be associated with this.

--Rory Akakios Benson, second assistant to the Répresentant internationale of Linux and the X

Stop looking at the old arguments, get with the picture and realize we are not arguing anymore. No offensive intended.

You have had no new arguments as to why we should follow through on this proposal.

[Great Azarath]

I will start with my original reason for this draft, bodily sovereignty. Prostitution is a ancient and beneficial occurrence that we all should have the right to do. Why should any government have the right to limit what we do with our body? The people who oppose have tried comparing it to theift, but the fact is prostitution is between to CONSENTING ADULTS! Both parties know the risk and agree. Why do we stop them? They have been saying it will rise human trafficking rates. Here is my response to that; Many people traffick illegal prostitutes against the prostitutes will. The prostitute cannot go to authorities in fear they will be arrested their self for being a prostitute. But if this is legalized, they ignore the fact that prostitutes would undoubtedly go to authorities for their freedom. So in the long run this resolution lowers human trafficking rates. This helps your economy for it is also a business that makes billions a year.

Prove these points:

-Legal prostitution lowers sex trafficking
-Prostitution is a billion dollar industry
-Prostitution is a bodily right
-Prostitution is between consenting adults

Proof that prostitution can easily bring in millions to billions a year:
"In 2008, city statistic showed 142 licensed brothels in Amsterdam, with about 500 window displays, and officials estimated that sexual transactions in Amsterdam account for about 100 million US dollars per year." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Holland
[Section: Prostitution in Practice]
"Estimates place the annual revenue generated from the global prostitution industry to be over $100 billion" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution
[Section: First Paragraph]
Proof that Prostitution is between consenting adults:
"Prostitution is the act or practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution You are paying, proof it is with consent. If it wasn't with payment it would either be with a non-prostitute, or rape.
[Section: First sentence]
"Prostitution is legally between adults in most nations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... n_practice [Section: Prostitution in Practice]
If it isn't consensual, then it is rape.

Proof Prostitution is a bodily right:
Well personally, I do not think this can be proven because it is my personal opinion. Most rights are opinion (ex. Freedom of Speech, it was a opinion they we could say what ever we please) I think it is a bodily right because it is something we were born with. Our bodies, shouldn't be controlled by anyone but our self, as an adult of course.

Proof prostitution lowers sex trafficking rates:
I did my research, and found that prostitution doesn't effect the rate. We all were misunderstood; Sex trafficking FORCES people into prostitution, they do not hide behind it. Also, because of it's illegal nature a lot about this topic is unknown. Source: Wikipedia.org (Prostitution, section: Sex Slavery and exploitation.)

There ya have it!

[Separatist Peoples]

Most of the ambassadors disagree on the fundamentals of your arguments, and I can't imagine Wikipedia being a better source then many of the others placed before you in terms of sex trafficking.

Also, Amsterdam makes a hefty chunk of cash off prostitution, yes, but that's because it is a novelty, an attraction. If the same laws applied everywhere, the profit would be far lower. Novelty does wonders to people.


Also, I feel bad not notifying you of this. I figure that notifying you is the right thing to do.

[Great Azarath]

1-No, your changing your story. First it's they wouldnt look into it not its "necessarily"

does the reason for the police to not be actively pursuing that case really matter? No, but that fact they wouldn't does.

2- It doesnt make sense sending out all police. If you dont have the people, its simply because of your bad planning

Or a sudden influx of cases, there's no way to know when a sudden crime spree is going to break out. So you have weird priorities that would have to be fixed with this resolution

3-Uh, no. no one did.

Right, no one in this discussion linked a RL study that showed legalized prostitution increased trafficking rates.

4- I dont need to answer it. I dont spread my police force so thin. It isn't need. So, they can be done at the same time

If you refuse to answer it, I'm going to keep asking. My is answer is: I dont spread my police force so thin, so I would have people. but if it came to that I would just separate it.

Now, would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?
My answer isnt yes or no, read above.

That can be done for ANY resolution. I doubt someone would......

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites would, in fact our parliament is currently working on a bill that would require that all prostitutes wishing to work in The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites to apply for a license and there's a waiting period of 300 years to obtain the license just in case this actually somehow manages to pass.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Separatist Peoples]

does the reason for the police to not be actively pursuing that case really matter? No, but that fact they wouldn't does.
Or a sudden influx of cases, there's no way to know when a sudden crime spree is going to break out. So you have weird priorities that would have to be fixed with this resolution
Right, no one in this discussion linked a RL study that showed legalized prostitution increased trafficking rates.

If you refuse to answer it, I'm going to keep asking. My is answer is: I dont spread my police force so thin, so I would have people. but if it came to that I would just separate it.

Now, would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?
My answer isnt yes or no, read above.

The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites would, in fact our parliament is currently working on a bill that would require that all prostitutes wishing to work in The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites to apply for a license and there's a waiting period of 300 years to obtain the license just in case this actually somehow manages to pass.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Your formatting is very strange, ambassador. Could you please, in the future, color code the arguments you have added, for simplicity's sake?

[Great Azarath]

Most of the ambassadors disagree on the fundamentals of your arguments, and I can't imagine Wikipedia being a better source then many of the others placed before you in terms of sex trafficking.

Also, Amsterdam makes a hefty chunk of cash off prostitution, yes, but that's because it is a novelty, an attraction. If the same laws applied everywhere, the profit would be far lower. Novelty does wonders to people.


Also, I feel bad not notifying you of this. I figure that notifying you is the right thing to do.

I agree with everything about that purposal, except the part of leaving it to national sovereignty.

[Separatist Peoples]

Most of the ambassadors disagree on the fundamentals of your arguments, and I can't imagine Wikipedia being a better source then many of the others placed before you in terms of sex trafficking.

Also, Amsterdam makes a hefty chunk of cash off prostitution, yes, but that's because it is a novelty, an attraction. If the same laws applied everywhere, the profit would be far lower. Novelty does wonders to people.


Also, I feel bad not notifying you of this. I figure that notifying you is the right thing to do.

I agree with everything about that purposal, except the part of leaving it to national sovereignty.

Which is just fine. Please feel free to comment in the thread, since I don't want to hijack yours. I simply felt it necessary to inform you of it's existence.
Having said that, if you want to argue against the National Sovereignty clause, don't bother. It will not be removed, as it is the entire point of the proposal, as well as the most popular clause.

[Herttora]

Prove these points:

-Legal prostitution lowers sex trafficking
-Prostitution is a billion dollar industry
-Prostitution is a bodily right
-Prostitution is between consenting adults

Proof that prostitution can easily bring in millions to billions a year:
"In 2008, city statistic showed 142 licensed brothels in Amsterdam, with about 500 window displays, and officials estimated that sexual transactions in Amsterdam account for about 100 million US dollars per year." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Holland

The Netherlands already spends more than 100 million dollars a year on just advertising for people to get STD screenings, and that doesn't even include the other expenditures they have to slow HIV and human trafficking. The government loses money. The cost of producing and airing the "Bodyparts" commercial alone is likely within the millions of dollars mark.
[Section: Prostitution in Practice]
"Estimates place the annual revenue generated from the global prostitution industry to be over $100 billion" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

If you follow the source on the wiki you find some page called Havoscope. This site claims to estimate black market values and does nothing but try to argue the complete legalization of just about everything. Further looking into this site we see where they claim their sources are from. The largest estimated worth was China's prostitution market. They claim a journal gave them that figure. After looking at their source, I find that the journal states absolutely nothing about the actual money transfer within China. It isn't surprising though, because the government of China isn't capable of producing even the most basic statistic of their country with any accuracy. There are too many people, and despite the shiny cities 2/3s of the population still lives in areas were a town has less than 5 phones. This estimate is inaccurate, perhaps low or perhaps high, but inaccurate. Even if this figure was true, it is only one tenth of one percent of the world economy.
[Section: First Paragraph]
Proof that Prostitution is between consenting adults:
"Prostitution is the act or practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution You are paying, proof it is with consent. If it wasn't with payment it would either be with a non-prostitute, or rape.
The assumption is that the prostitute isn't being unfairly coerced. There are many occasions where a third party is forcing one of these two members to come to this agreement. OOC: There is a huge amount of Mexican prostitutes in the US who are being forced to work to pay off the "cost" of bringing them to the US. These people threaten to kill their families if they refuse. Going to the police will just end up with their family dead because the Mexican government won't do much to protect that woman's family even if the US government would protect her up until they deported her.
[Section: First sentence]
"Prostitution is legally between adults in most nations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... n_practice [Section: Prostitution in Practice]
If it isn't consensual, then it is rape.
Yeah true. Even if a prostitute is being forced by a third party the john isn't raping her. However, it is a whole sleugh of crimes on the part of the third party. Also, nations define adulthood differently. In fact, if we were to compare either nation counts or population counts you would find the majority of nations actually allow prostitution at ages that any rational being realizes is not adulthood. OOC: in the real world that is. In Nevada the age of consent is 14, I don't want to even get into Africa.

Proof Prostitution is a bodily right:
Well personally, I do not think this can be proven because it is my personal opinion. Most rights are opinion (ex. Freedom of Speech, it was a opinion they we could say what ever we please) I think it is a bodily right because it is something we were born with. Our bodies, shouldn't be controlled by anyone but our self, as an adult of course.
Unbelievably wrong. Many philosophers have logically proven, to the degree of a math proof, that certain freedoms belong to all rational men. The works comes from the classic, medieval, and modern periods. They are based in Aristotle's work of the rational mind and natural states. If you study these arguments you will discover they do not prove something as basic to human life as water is a guaranteed right, but the right of speech is. I'd rather not write a thesis on why that is, but you are free to find out for yourself. However, I am not unreasonable. It would take many years to work out such a proof for bodily rights if they do so exist, so I'm willingly to accept some gray area here. Yet, this bill deals with the transfer of money. Two people may have sex, even a prostitute and john, but paying a person directly for it is not covered by this idea. Outlawing prostitution only outlaws the paying phase. Take outlawing pornography, that would not outlaw the act of sex, the act of taping sex, or distributing that tape. It would only outlaw the act of selling that tape. We are arguing business, not what two people do with their bodies. Finally, there is no such thing as a victim less crime, or an event where a person does something which does not affect another. If a country gives its citizens the right to bear arms that doesn't give them the right to use them. Just because you have a body and were born with it doesn't mean you can use it in any way you please. While sex shouldn't be outlawed, it is entirely false to state that it affects no one but the people involved.

Proof prostitution lowers sex trafficking rates:
I did my research, and found that prostitution doesn't effect the rate. We all were misunderstood; Sex trafficking FORCES people into prostitution, they do not hide behind it. Also, because of it's illegal nature a lot about this topic is unknown. Source: Wikipedia.org (Prostitution, section: Sex Slavery and exploitation.)
Odd that you quote a source but cannot directly link it, nor quote any section from it. I have seen at least two sources proving that it does. OOC: In real life situations, including Amsterdam and Nevada. IC: To argue this properly you must both debunk the conflicting sources and provide your own. If neither side can debunk the other's sources then frankly there simply isn't enough statistical consistency to prove or disprove at this time.

There ya have it!

[Great Azarath]

Proof that prostitution can easily bring in millions to billions a year:
"In 2008, city statistic showed 142 licensed brothels in Amsterdam, with about 500 window displays, and officials estimated that sexual transactions in Amsterdam account for about 100 million US dollars per year." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Holland

The Netherlands already spends more than 100 million dollars a year on just advertising for people to get STD screenings, and that doesn't even include the other expenditures they have to slow HIV and human trafficking. The government loses money. The cost of producing and airing the "Bodyparts" commercial alone is likely within the millions of dollars mark.
******** if it wasted money, it wouldn't exist. Slowing trafficking have nothing to do with it. bodypark part commercial? What??

[Section: Prostitution in Practice]
"Estimates place the annual revenue generated from the global prostitution industry to be over $100 billion" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution

If you follow the source on the wiki you find some page called Havoscope. This site claims to estimate black market values and does nothing but try to argue the complete legalization of just about everything. Further looking into this site we see where they claim their sources are from. The largest estimated worth was China's prostitution market. They claim a journal gave them that figure. After looking at their source, I find that the journal states absolutely nothing about the actual money transfer within China. It isn't surprising though, because the government of China isn't capable of producing even the most basic statistic of their country with any accuracy. There are too many people, and despite the shiny cities 2/3s of the population still lives in areas were a town has less than 5 phones. This estimate is inaccurate, perhaps low or perhaps high, but inaccurate. Even if this figure was true, it is only one tenth of one percent of the world economy. What does this have to do with anything?
[Section: First Paragraph]
Proof that Prostitution is between consenting adults:
"Prostitution is the act or practice of providing sexual services to another person in return for payment." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution You are paying, proof it is with consent. If it wasn't with payment it would either be with a non-prostitute, or rape.
The assumption is that the prostitute isn't being unfairly coerced. There are many occasions where a third party is forcing one of these two members to come to this agreement. OOC: There is a huge amount of Mexican prostitutes in the US who are being forced to work to pay off the "cost" of bringing them to the US. These people threaten to kill their families if they refuse. Going to the police will just end up with their family dead because the Mexican government won't do much to protect that woman's family even if the US government would protect her up until they deported her. That stuff isnt legal, or consensual. It's rape and its irrelevant. Being forced to pay isnt legal.
[Section: First sentence]
"Prostitution is legally between adults in most nations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... n_practice [Section: Prostitution in Practice]
If it isn't consensual, then it is rape.
Yeah true. Even if a prostitute is being forced by a third party the john isn't raping her. However, it is a whole sleugh of crimes on the part of the third party. Also, nations define adulthood differently. In fact, if we were to compare either nation counts or population counts you would find the majority of nations actually allow prostitution at ages that any rational being realizes is not adulthood. OOC: in the real world that is. In Nevada the age of consent is 14, I don't want to even get into Africa.
If the person being forced went to authorties, "john" would be accused of rape even though he never touched her. That is their culture, and it is socaially acceptable. As long as it isnt forced its legal in that nation. Prostitution or not, they are still having sex and marrying at those ages in those cultures.
Proof Prostitution is a bodily right:
Well personally, I do not think this can be proven because it is my personal opinion. Most rights are opinion (ex. Freedom of Speech, it was a opinion they we could say what ever we please) I think it is a bodily right because it is something we were born with. Our bodies, shouldn't be controlled by anyone but our self, as an adult of course.
Unbelievably wrong. Many philosophers have logically proven, to the degree of a math proof, that certain freedoms belong to all rational men. The works comes from the classic, medieval, and modern periods. They are based in Aristotle's work of the rational mind and natural states. If you study these arguments you will discover they do not prove something as basic to human life as water is a guaranteed right, but the right of speech is. I'd rather not write a thesis on why that is, but you are free to find out for yourself. However, I am not unreasonable. It would take many years to work out such a proof for bodily rights if they do so exist, so I'm willingly to accept some gray area here. Yet, this bill deals with the transfer of money. Two people may have sex, even a prostitute and john, but paying a person directly for it is not covered by this idea. Outlawing prostitution only outlaws the paying phase. Take outlawing pornography, that would not outlaw the act of sex, the act of taping sex, or distributing that tape. It would only outlaw the act of selling that tape. We are arguing business, not what two people do with their bodies. Finally, there is no such thing as a victim less crime, or an event where a person does something which does not affect another. If a country gives its citizens the right to bear arms that doesn't give them the right to use them. Just because you have a body and were born with it doesn't mean you can use it in any way you please. While sex shouldn't be outlawed, it is entirely false to state that it affects no one but the people involved.
Yeah, in midevil times! o: In most modern societies men and women are equal.
Proof prostitution lowers sex trafficking rates:
I did my research, and found that prostitution doesn't effect the rate. We all were misunderstood; Sex trafficking FORCES people into prostitution, they do not hide behind it. Also, because of it's illegal nature a lot about this topic is unknown. Source: Wikipedia.org (Prostitution, section: Sex Slavery and exploitation.)
Odd that you quote a source but cannot directly link it, nor quote any section from it. I have seen at least two sources proving that it does. OOC: In real life situations, including Amsterdam and Nevada. IC: To argue this properly you must both debunk the conflicting sources and provide your own. If neither side can debunk the other's sources then frankly there simply isn't enough statistical consistency to prove or disprove at this time.
Go wikipedia: Prostitution page and go to sex explotitation. I gave directions.
There ya have it!

[Great Azarath]

Your formatting is very strange, ambassador. Could you please, in the future, color code the arguments you have added, for simplicity's sake?

I would, if I knew how.

[Great Azarath]

Prostitution should be a forced legalization. No government should limit our natural born body. If its against your religion, culture or whatever then legalizing it wont effect your people. Yes there will be an outlier who still wants to, but so what? What is the down fall? If you get the proper protection you will be fine from diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

[Slivary]

What if the government is a theocracy?

[Xanthal]

*Riley walks past the committee room with a cup of coffee, looking in through an open door as he passes.* Good gravy, you're still here? *He shakes his head and keeps walking.*

[Dilange]

Prostitution should be a forced legalization. No government should limit our natural born body. If its against your religion, culture or whatever then legalizing it wont effect your people. Yes there will be an outlier who still wants to, but so what? What is the down fall? If you get the proper protection you will be fine from diseases and unwanted pregnancies.

So it should be forced but your ok with people still outlawing it? WHAT?!

[Herttora]

The Netherlands already spends more than 100 million dollars a year on just advertising for people to get STD screenings, and that doesn't even include the other expenditures they have to slow HIV and human trafficking. The government loses money. The cost of producing and airing the "Bodyparts" commercial alone is likely within the millions of dollars mark.

******** if it wasted money, it wouldn't exist. Slowing trafficking have nothing to do with it. bodypark part commercial? What??

Attempting to combat what prostitution expands, STD spread, costs more than what prostitution brings in. As simple proof even assuming all prostitutes use protection, prostitutes surely have more sex than non-prostitutes and therefore run a much higher risk of failure of that protection. 99% in statistics is actually not all that sure. Prostitution increasing trafficking, in this argument, is proven since you have not debunked nor even provided contradictory sources. Therefore the government directly pays that expense because of prostitution. Finally. "Bodyparts" was a specific anti-STD commercial aired in the Netherlands.

If you follow the source on the wiki you find some page called Havoscope. This site claims to estimate black market values and does nothing but try to argue the complete legalization of just about everything. Further looking into this site we see where they claim their sources are from. The largest estimated worth was China's prostitution market. They claim a journal gave them that figure. After looking at their source, I find that the journal states absolutely nothing about the actual money transfer within China. It isn't surprising though, because the government of China isn't capable of producing even the most basic statistic of their country with any accuracy. There are too many people, and despite the shiny cities 2/3s of the population still lives in areas were a town has less than 5 phones. This estimate is inaccurate, perhaps low or perhaps high, but inaccurate. Even if this figure was true, it is only one tenth of one percent of the world economy.

What does this have to do with anything?

That was a long written proof that your "source" is entirely wrong. I followed wiki and followed what wiki claimed as a source, then followed that to the true origin source, a journal. I then saw that journal did not support what the above site claimed it did. Then I went on to give examples on how it is impossible to give a decent estimate of the worth of prostitution. Assuming that the world dollar worth of prostitution is relevant, which you must believe since you originally claimed it, then this is relevant because it disproves your ability to ever possibly state an accurate number.

The assumption is that the prostitute isn't being unfairly coerced. There are many occasions where a third party is forcing one of these two members to come to this agreement. OOC: There is a huge amount of Mexican prostitutes in the US who are being forced to work to pay off the "cost" of bringing them to the US. These people threaten to kill their families if they refuse. Going to the police will just end up with their family dead because the Mexican government won't do much to protect that woman's family even if the US government would protect her up until they deported her.

That stuff isnt legal, or consensual. It's rape and its irrelevant. Being forced to pay isnt legal.
False once again. The crime committed when a person forces another into prostitution to pay off debts in a place that is illegal is absolutely not rape. It is kidnapping, slavery and trafficking. Therefore, your statement that just because two adults agree doesn't mean they both consented and that it is a legal transaction. One person, under coercion may "agree" but that agreement is ultimately null and void in any legal court due to the illegal coercion. This once again ties back to trafficking and how while almost everything may be a choice, illegal means may be used to convince a person to make a choice they would not otherwise. Not every act of prostitution is done happily or with true consent, but many because a man holds a gun to their family.

Yeah true. Even if a prostitute is being forced by a third party the john isn't raping her. However, it is a whole sleugh of crimes on the part of the third party. Also, nations define adulthood differently. In fact, if we were to compare either nation counts or population counts you would find the majority of nations actually allow prostitution at ages that any rational being realizes is not adulthood. OOC: in the real world that is. In Nevada the age of consent is 14, I don't want to even get into Africa.

If the person being forced went to authorties, "john" would be accused of rape even though he never touched her. That is their culture, and it is socaially acceptable. As long as it isnt forced its legal in that nation. Prostitution or not, they are still having sex and marrying at those ages in those cultures.

Culture isn't an excuse as the only just laws are laws which are so logical and rational as to override all other concerns. Culture can never argue against the fact that 14 year olds are not mentally, socially, and many times not physically developed enough to interact in those manners. Also, the john would not be accused of rape. If the john isn't aware that a third party is forcing her into it, then he is absolutely not responsible. Your final point is my entire point. You allow nations to define adult hood. While this is the easy way out, mostly due to NS's large variety of populations, it directly allows pedophilia.

Unbelievably wrong. Many philosophers have logically proven, to the degree of a math proof, that certain freedoms belong to all rational men. The works comes from the classic, medieval, and modern periods. They are based in Aristotle's work of the rational mind and natural states. If you study these arguments you will discover they do not prove something as basic to human life as water is a guaranteed right, but the right of speech is. I'd rather not write a thesis on why that is, but you are free to find out for yourself. However, I am not unreasonable. It would take many years to work out such a proof for bodily rights if they do so exist, so I'm willingly to accept some gray area here. Yet, this bill deals with the transfer of money. Two people may have sex, even a prostitute and john, but paying a person directly for it is not covered by this idea. Outlawing prostitution only outlaws the paying phase. Take outlawing pornography, that would not outlaw the act of sex, the act of taping sex, or distributing that tape. It would only outlaw the act of selling that tape. We are arguing business, not what two people do with their bodies. Finally, there is no such thing as a victim less crime, or an event where a person does something which does not affect another. If a country gives its citizens the right to bear arms that doesn't give them the right to use them. Just because you have a body and were born with it doesn't mean you can use it in any way you please. While sex shouldn't be outlawed, it is entirely false to state that it affects no one but the people involved.

Yeah, in midevil times! o: In most modern societies men and women are equal.
You must have gotten tired of reading here. Those medieval and classical philosophers proved that mankind, not just men, deserve the basic right of say speech. Now, this wasn't brought into practice until the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it was still true then. As for the rest, I guess you simply concede that argument.

Odd that you quote a source but cannot directly link it, nor quote any section from it. I have seen at least two sources proving that it does. OOC: In real life situations, including Amsterdam and Nevada. IC: To argue this properly you must both debunk the conflicting sources and provide your own. If neither side can debunk the other's sources then frankly there simply isn't enough statistical consistency to prove or disprove at this time.

Go wikipedia: Prostitution page and go to sex explotitation. I gave directions.
There ya have it!

No, I will not fall for the oldest trick in the book. You send me to some "source" in hopes that I will find your proof for you. If you found any proof at all there you would be willing to link it. I will not do your research for you, then argue against what I found myself.

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OOC: That post is just going to expand and expand lol. I tried just eliminating the original argument points to shorten it, but still just blew up maybe 1.7 times the original size haha.