[Second Draft] Legalizing Prostitution

[Stuffed Taxidermists]

Good Sir,
I would vote yes for teh lolz.
Yours,
Someone

[Flibbleites]

It's not necessarily that they wouldn't look into it, it could be that the police have more pressing cases that they're working on that need to be handled first. For example, would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

Now your changing your story.

I haven't changed a damn thing in my story. My hypothetical situation was of an overworked and understaffed police department which could mean that sometimes they would have to postpone investigating some cases in order to deal with more important ones.

btw, you dont need a whole army to do a investigation

True, but if all the police officers are currently busy...

and having all these prostitutes surely would drop the trafficking rates

Didn't someone else already prove that this isn't the case?

Oh and by the way, answer my damn question already. Would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Dizyntk]

"You are expecting too much I am afraid, Ambassador Flibble. The author has yet to answer any of our questions except to say that they don't make sense or that they aren't relevant. He has not, in fact, effectively countered any of our claims nor provided any legitimate proof to back his own. Personally I am coming to the conclusion that the author is trying to aid and abbet Trafficking on purpose. Of course, given his lack of debating skills, I may be giving him too much credit."

[Behlkase]

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

[Dilange]

"You are expecting too much I am afraid, Ambassador Flibble. The author has yet to answer any of our questions except to say that they don't make sense or that they aren't relevant. He has not, in fact, effectively countered any of our claims nor provided any legitimate proof to back his own. Personally I am coming to the conclusion that the author is trying to aid and abbet Trafficking on purpose. Of course, given his lack of debating skills, I may be giving him too much credit."

The two things that I got out of this experience is that he will spend five pages asking the same question to one person while he just ignores everything else. Second is that when someone proved a boat-load of proof and then he presents something that is nothing we went over or had problems with.

Oh and the fact that if your employed, you're old?

Seems like another draft sent down the drain.

[Separatist Peoples]

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

That is not an issue that was appropriately addressed, I believe. Thank you. Yes, not all nations believe that the government needs to baby its citizenry with workplace standards, or even cheap healthcare. The C.D.S.P. wouldn't bother administering anything to prostitutes were this to pass. They chose to become street-walking sex-peddlers, they can handle their own safety.

[Dizyntk]

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

"While I agree with the Ambassador that we should not be forced to do these things, this clause does absolutely nothing. If you will observe the first word of the clause. The "RECOMMENDS" means that the act is merely asking us to do something. It is akin to saying, "Please do this, but only if you feel like it". So in effect it means nothing."

[Dilange]

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

Good point..

1) In RL, employers buy the safety equipment, government could check it for evaluation. Knowing how people like to run things on the cheap side, I doubt these birth control items would be "high quality". Condoms are very fragile, the slightest heat could make the latex or other material defective...causing more malfunctions that it being straight out of the package. Storing them in places of high heat can cause the same effect. (The free ones at the local health department in my town are damaged from the heat)

2) At the same time, the ambassador wants to take profits away from condom manufactures. This bold move can be costly. Companies could lose profits and eventually going out of business. And if condom companies go out of business, then we have no condoms.

3) Question for Azarath: I hope you dont mean the STI screenings are free?

THe Ambassador from Behlkase makes a good arguement.

OOC: GO RED SOX!

[Mahaj]

wow, i missed a lot.

but I guess nothing changed.

[Dilange]

wow, i missed a lot.

but I guess nothing changed.

Not really except for it grew a few pages and the Azarite delegate hasn't really defended his proposal.

[Separatist Peoples]

wow, i missed a lot.

but I guess nothing changed.

No, just the most frustrating, obtuse delegation that we have ever had the misfortune of debating refusing to acknowledge arguments and cited references that render his own arguments entirely moot while still asserting that his own arguments are trouncing everything we can throw at it. *takes a shot of tequila, then another* You know. Just another day at the Festering Snakepit...

[Dilange]

wow, i missed a lot.

but I guess nothing changed.

No, just the most frustrating, obtuse delegation that we have ever had the misfortune of debating refusing to acknowledge arguments and cited references that render his own arguments entirely moot while still asserting that his own arguments are trouncing everything we can throw at it. *takes a shot of tequila, then another* You know. Just another day at the Festering Snakepit...

Wech nodded.

"I say after all this is over and done we have a party back at our office...we have an open bar." he said.

[Great Azarath]

We see the standard of debate has fallen ever since we left it. Therefore we call for all persons to refrain from trading insults.

To answer the point about trafficking and generally bad conditions in brothels: ok, while brothels do evidently have low standards, if we introduce proper regulations and enforce them, then bad people can be brought to justice. As we have mentioned earlier, even if this proposal falls through, we think proper regulations would be a good idea.

We can now approve of the draft as it stands, and will be interested to see what happens next to it, although we still think some of the wording is a bit iffy and are curious about this:

Also there might be the enormous loophole of taxing prostitution into non existence by giving the government 110% tax or something, although we're not sure of the legality of that principal? Anyway, if that loophole is legal, the proposal should plug the hole.

I agree with a lot of what your saying. It's just people act as if the brothels are mandatory which they aren't. I did put in regulations, but they just ignore them.

[Separatist Peoples]

We see the standard of debate has fallen ever since we left it. Therefore we call for all persons to refrain from trading insults.

To answer the point about trafficking and generally bad conditions in brothels: ok, while brothels do evidently have low standards, if we introduce proper regulations and enforce them, then bad people can be brought to justice. As we have mentioned earlier, even if this proposal falls through, we think proper regulations would be a good idea.

We can now approve of the draft as it stands, and will be interested to see what happens next to it, although we still think some of the wording is a bit iffy and are curious about this:

I agree with a lot of what your saying. It's just people act as if the brothels are mandatory which they aren't. I did put in regulations, but they just ignore them.

You don't seem to get that your current wording allows nations to outlaw prostitution in all but name. It is indicative of the poor drafting and writing that this proposal is made up of in its entirety. Nothing stops nations from restricting prostitution so much and with such absurd regulations that it is still technically prohibited.

[Great Azarath]

Good Sir,
I would vote yes for teh lolz.
Yours,
Someone

I applaud you.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

We see the standard of debate has fallen ever since we left it. Therefore we call for all persons to refrain from trading insults.

To answer the point about trafficking and generally bad conditions in brothels: ok, while brothels do evidently have low standards, if we introduce proper regulations and enforce them, then bad people can be brought to justice. As we have mentioned earlier, even if this proposal falls through, we think proper regulations would be a good idea.

We can now approve of the draft as it stands, and will be interested to see what happens next to it, although we still think some of the wording is a bit iffy and are curious about this:

I agree with a lot of what your saying. It's just people act as if the brothels are mandatory which they aren't. I did put in regulations, but they just ignore them.

Ambassador, Ms. Harper didn't assume that brothels would be made compulsory, but whoever operates them are likely to, yet not always, have complete disregard for the community around them. Furthermore, this draft doesn't allow us to ban prostitution where it causes a social menace. I know exactly the intent of this draft: to allow criminals to exploit vulnerable individuals.

[Great Azarath]

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

Good point..

1) In RL, employers buy the safety equipment, government could check it for evaluation. Knowing how people like to run things on the cheap side, I doubt these birth control items would be "high quality". Condoms are very fragile, the slightest heat could make the latex or other material defective...causing more malfunctions that it being straight out of the package. Storing them in places of high heat can cause the same effect. (The free ones at the local health department in my town are damaged from the heat)

2) At the same time, the ambassador wants to take profits away from condom manufactures. This bold move can be costly. Companies could lose profits and eventually going out of business. And if condom companies go out of business, then we have no condoms.

3) Question for Azarath: I hope you dont mean the STI screenings are free?

THe Ambassador from Behlkase makes a good arguement.

OOC: GO RED SOX!

1-.....Condoms are used world wide, and are effective 99% of the time. Now of a sudden they dont work? Boy please.....
2- Think of teachers, they get discounts on their supplies in many stores I dont see them going out of business.
3- Yes, low cost of free sti screenings

[Dilange]

I agree with a lot of what your saying. It's just people act as if the brothels are mandatory which they aren't. I did put in regulations, but they just ignore them.

Ambassador, Ms. Harper didn't assume that brothels would be made compulsory, but whoever operates them are likely to, yet not always, have complete disregard for the community around them. Furthermore, this draft doesn't allow us to ban prostitution where it causes a social menace. I know exactly the intent of this draft: to allow criminals to exploit vulnerable individuals.

I have already tried this method Ms. Ryberg. It seems our OP is just too stubborn to realize that.

[Great Azarath]

Now your changing your story.

I haven't changed a damn thing in my story. My hypothetical situation was of an overworked and understaffed police department which could mean that sometimes they would have to postpone investigating some cases in order to deal with more important ones.

btw, you dont need a whole army to do a investigation

True, but if all the police officers are currently busy...

and having all these prostitutes surely would drop the trafficking rates

Didn't someone else already prove that this isn't the case?

Oh and by the way, answer my damn question already. Would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

1-No, your changing your story. First it's they wouldnt look into it not its "necessarily"
2- It doesnt make sense sending out all police. If you dont have the people, its simply because of your bad planning
3-Uh, no. no one did.
4- I dont need to answer it. I dont spread my police force so thin. It isn't need. So, they can be done at the same time

[Dilange]

Good point..

1) In RL, employers buy the safety equipment, government could check it for evaluation. Knowing how people like to run things on the cheap side, I doubt these birth control items would be "high quality". Condoms are very fragile, the slightest heat could make the latex or other material defective...causing more malfunctions that it being straight out of the package. Storing them in places of high heat can cause the same effect. (The free ones at the local health department in my town are damaged from the heat)

2) At the same time, the ambassador wants to take profits away from condom manufactures. This bold move can be costly. Companies could lose profits and eventually going out of business. And if condom companies go out of business, then we have no condoms.

3) Question for Azarath: I hope you dont mean the STI screenings are free?

THe Ambassador from Behlkase makes a good arguement.

OOC: GO RED SOX!

1-.....Condoms are used world wide, and are effective 99% of the time. Now of a sudden they dont work? Boy please.....
2- Think of teachers, they get discounts on their supplies in many stores I dont see them going out of business.
3- Yes, low cost of free sti screenings

1) Out of the package yes. When kept in storage, no. Latex and Sheep intestine deteriorate in heat, making condoms less protective and give them a chance of breaking or tearing. When you take health in school, the teacher will talk about this.

2) Because they are mass produced, that's why there is discounts. Because stores have a large amount of a product in supply, they get discounts for having a specific occupation. Condoms are $20 a package, pencils are 88 cents...they make almost nothing off the product to begin with, thats why they give discounts. As for individual brothels, they might buy cheap condoms from factories that are defective, to keep from buying high quality. Put up a prety sign that says high quality and you can bypass your legislation

3) DO you know how much STI screenings cost?

[Great Azarath]

"You are expecting too much I am afraid, Ambassador Flibble. The author has yet to answer any of our questions except to say that they don't make sense or that they aren't relevant. He has not, in fact, effectively countered any of our claims nor provided any legitimate proof to back his own. Personally I am coming to the conclusion that the author is trying to aid and abbet Trafficking on purpose. Of course, given his lack of debating skills, I may be giving him too much credit."

Please, what question might that be? As far as I'm concerned, you have ignored my question for about 3 pages now.

[Great Azarath]

This resolution RECOMMENDS the following:
(1) That member states provide free or low-cost, high quality condoms and other prophylactics, birth control and STI screenings to prostitutes and others who are at risk of STIs and unwanted pregnancies.

Going to acknowledge up front that I did not read all 41 pages of forum talk before posting this reply, SO, if this is redundant, my sincerest apologies.

BUT, I see no need to force governments to provide any of these services for free, especially if prostitution is legal for gainful employment. This creates a slippery slope, should the government be responsible for personal safety devices for construction workers (steel-toed boots, hard hats, etc)?

Perhaps, strike the 'free' part of the above measure, and then, I would support the measure.

Some nations wanted it for free while others wanted it for a choice, so I put both you have the choice yourself. If you want low cost then go ahead that isnt enough?

[Separatist Peoples]

I haven't changed a damn thing in my story. My hypothetical situation was of an overworked and understaffed police department which could mean that sometimes they would have to postpone investigating some cases in order to deal with more important ones.

True, but if all the police officers are currently busy...


Didn't someone else already prove that this isn't the case?

Oh and by the way, answer my damn question already. Would you really want your police postponing the hunt for a serial killer because someone claimed that there was a case of human trafficking?

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

1-No, your changing your story. First it's they wouldnt look into it not its "necessarily"
2- It doesnt make sense sending out all police. If you dont have the people, its simply because of your bad planning
3-Uh, no. no one did.
4- I dont need to answer it. I dont spread my police force so thin. It isn't need. So, they can be done at the same time

You really do have a candy-coated view of how the world works...

OOC: how old are you? Maybe when you grow up, you might see that the police are often too busy to handle something as unbelievable as a human trafficking operation from a whore. They have jobs to do, often time with cases that have substantial evidence. Just because a whore walks into a police station and claims to be being trafficked doesn't mean the police are going to A. believe her, B. have the manpower to delve into that, or C. get to it in a reasonable fashion. Sorry, but a murder case, a serial killer, or even a cut-and-dry shootout takes priority over somebody who's entire story needs to be checked out. That could tie down several officers for several days.

[Great Azarath]

"You are expecting too much I am afraid, Ambassador Flibble. The author has yet to answer any of our questions except to say that they don't make sense or that they aren't relevant. He has not, in fact, effectively countered any of our claims nor provided any legitimate proof to back his own. Personally I am coming to the conclusion that the author is trying to aid and abbet Trafficking on purpose. Of course, given his lack of debating skills, I may be giving him too much credit."

The two things that I got out of this experience is that he will spend five pages asking the same question to one person while he just ignores everything else. Second is that when someone proved a boat-load of proof and then he presents something that is nothing we went over or had problems with.

Oh and the fact that if your employed, you're old?

Seems like another draft sent down the drain.

If your old, well then I doubt you would WANT to be a prostitute. There are a lot of profession were elderly can do the job. (Wrestler, Model, ect) What if your employed? then you keep doing your job

[Sjavako]

The two things that I got out of this experience is that he will spend five pages asking the same question to one person while he just ignores everything else. Second is that when someone proved a boat-load of proof and then he presents something that is nothing we went over or had problems with.

Oh and the fact that if your employed, you're old?

Seems like another draft sent down the drain.

If your old, well then I doubt you would WANT to be a prostitute. There are a lot of profession were elderly can do the job. (Wrestler, Model, ect) What if your employed? then you keep doing your job

Dr. James Forbes sat up.

"I think you should be doing some reviewing. I beleive he was responding to the point of you calling him a crusty old man." he said.