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[Proposal] Public Assistance Act II

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[Proposal] Public Assistance Act II

Postby Arivali » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:16 pm

[proposal=]Public Assistance Act
Category; Social Justice
Strength; Moderate

AKNOWLEDGING that there is a need for some kind of social safety net.

REALIZING that in difficult times people may have trouble finding work, and high unemployment rates are harmful to a nation’s economy.

ALSO REALIZING injuries that prevent people from working can be devastating for a family.

ESTABLISHES that member nations shall create and maintain a network of unemployment offices. These offices will keep a database of available jobs, and will help unemployed citizens become employed. Every employer will be required to notify their local unemployment office when an opening becomes available.

Employers will also be required to provide disability insurance. The insurance shall cover injuries or illnesses that are severe enough to prevent the insured from working for at least a week. The company may provide this themselves, or contract out to a third party.
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This is my second attempt to replace 'Safety in Difficult Times'.
Last edited by Arivali on Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:36 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Postby Vocatus » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:44 pm

We're not comfortable with having the employers provide benefits. Traditionally we've handled such assistance directly through the government, and would like to see that approach accommodated by the bill.

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Postby Morlago » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:50 am

Arivali wrote:[proposal=]Public Assistance Act
Category; Social Justice
Strength; Moderate

AKNOWLEDGING that there is a need for some kind of social safety net.

REALIZING that in difficult times people may have trouble finding work, and high unemployment rates are harmful to a nation’s economy.

ALSO REALIZING injuries that prevent people from working can be devastating for a family.

ESTABLISHES that member nations shall create and maintain a network of unemployment offices. These offices will keep a database of available jobs, and will help unemployed citizens become employed. Every employer will be required to notify their local unemployment office when an opening becomes available.

Employers will also be required to provide disability insurance. The insurance shall cover injuries or illnesses that are severe enough to prevent the insured from working for at least a week. The company may provide this themselves, or contract out to a third party insurance company.
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This is my second attempt to replace 'Safety in Difficult Times'.

We agree with Vocatus. There should be the option to allow the government, rather than the employer, provide subsidies, insurances, and other types of aid to the unemployed. Also, we think that the unemployment offices will cost too much money to maintain and is not very cost-effective. We will need a lot of manpower and money to keep them up-to-date, which is a lot more expensive than simply making a national Classified section in the Morning Daily.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:13 am

THIS IS NOT AN
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:32 am

Deeply opposed. The previous resolution of this kind got repealed rapidly.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:33 am

We agree wholeheartedly with the representative from Bears Armed. We were happy to see SiDT repealed (although it was wonderfully well written.) and have no intentions for supporting a replacement.Surely a nation is able to handle it's unemployment/disabilities stipends under its own power?

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Postby Opaloka » Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:56 pm

The issue of insurance appeares the problem here. If this is removed (& impact reduced), then this focuses the resolution on purely providing a system of labour exchange, this we & I suspect the vast majority of nations could support.
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Postby Tweegee » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:00 am

SUUUUUUUPPORT!!!! We should all look out for our fellow man! :)

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:20 am

Tweegee wrote:SUUUUUUUPPORT!!!! We should all look out for our fellow man! :)


I'm almost positive you just say these things to annoy the other delegates. I am amused. :lol:

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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:50 am

Bears Armed wrote:
THIS IS NOT AN
INTERNATIONAL
ISSUE.


"What the Bears said."
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Postby Opaloka » Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:11 am

Oh yes it is!!!
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:38 am

Opaloka wrote:Oh yes it is!!!


How?

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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:44 am

Actually I see this as a an international issue. This isn't providing benefits but rather requiring governments to keep a list of jobs open. I'd suggest an improvement by allowing private companies to be subcontracted to provide this, which will put down the costs for many countries.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:46 am

Wolfmanne wrote:Actually I see this as a an international issue. This isn't providing benefits but rather requiring governments to keep a list of jobs open. I'd suggest an improvement by allowing private companies to be subcontracted to provide this, which will put down the costs for many countries.


How? Its legislating for something that most nations already have some sort of policy on and doesn't cross national borders...unemployment is a national concern...

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Postby Wolfmanne » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:52 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Actually I see this as a an international issue. This isn't providing benefits but rather requiring governments to keep a list of jobs open. I'd suggest an improvement by allowing private companies to be subcontracted to provide this, which will put down the costs for many countries.


How? Its legislating for something that most nations already have some sort of policy on and doesn't cross national borders...unemployment is a national concern...

However it providing people with the right to find a job. I believe the first draft needs a large-scale overhaul but it can be edited to a version which is acceptable to everyone.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:54 am

Wolfmanne wrote:However it providing people with the right to find a job. I believe the first draft needs a large-scale overhaul but it can be edited to a version which is acceptable to everyone.


And how is this:
A: a right to be considered on-par with life and free speech,
B: something governments don't already have internal policy on?

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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:43 pm

"The fact of the matter is that this is not an international issue at all. Last time I checked unemployment did not cross international borders. Unless the Monikian military is suddenly all unemployed. Second, people may or may not have a right to a job, but that determination is a right that is only important on a national level. A capitalist country having a job is not a right it is a privilege, in a socialist country like Monkiah having a job is a civic duty. Mind you we define job pretty broadly--males raising their kids have jobs--that job is being a father, students in school have jobs--that job is being a student, a factory worker has a job--that job is to do whatever she is assigned to do.

"This is not and cannot be an international issue, and the idea that member states are incapable of creating whatever social safety net deemed necessary and appropriate for their social organization, culture and customs is as insulting as it is absurd."
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Postby Opaloka » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:46 pm

Erm, they're called 'economic migrants' & there are NS issues relating to this. If you already have a network what's your problem? If you havn't then welcome to the 21st century honey. The notion should be limited to the provision of labour exchanges either by public or private sector or a combination of both.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:05 pm

Opaloka wrote:Erm, they're called 'economic migrants' & there are NS issues relating to this. If you already have a network what's your problem? If you havn't then welcome to the 21st century honey. The notion should be limited to the provision of labour exchanges either by public or private sector or a combination of both.


I still fail to see how unemployment is an issue that requires international legislation...economic migrants can be handled by the nation they are immigrating to, ergo: Not an international issue.

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Postby Monikian WA Mission » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:35 pm

Opaloka wrote:Erm, they're called 'economic migrants' & there are NS issues relating to this. If you already have a network what's your problem? If you havn't then welcome to the 21st century honey. The notion should be limited to the provision of labour exchanges either by public or private sector or a combination of both.


"Whose 21st century? Ours was over 400,000 years ago. Second economic migrants, should they even exist--Monkiah obviously doesn't have such a problem--can be dealt with by national migration/immigration laws. This is not an international issue."

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