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DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:43 am

DRAFT #1

WA Resolution #10: Nuclear Arms Possession Act (Category: International Security; Strength: Mild), for reasons explained in below argument, shall be struck out null and void.

ARGUMENT: Nuclear weapons are extremely hazardous, not only to those attacked by them, but also towards those who produce them. This hazard is due to the following reasons:

1) Nuclear weapons produce a great amount of energy when detonated.
2) A detonation of a nuclear weapon produces deadly radioactive fall out which can cause cancer, usually killing any survivors of the initial explosion.
3) The production of nuclear weapons also creates radioactive waste that poses a hazard to both the environment and near by settlements.
4) Armed nuclear weapons are prone to detonate without warning producing effect described in 1 and 2.
5) Nuclear weapons provide nations with great power. Causing them to be feared by other nations, increasing international paranoia and damaging world security.
6) Nuclear arms provide nations owning them with the power to control nations without nuclear arms by way of fear.

CONCLUSION: For reasons said in above argument, the World Assembly(WA) hereby acknowledges the danger towards international security and any hope of world peace that WA Resolution #10 provides and strikes it out null and void.
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Postby Enzo Turga » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:48 am

They shouldn't be outlawed, they should be limited. Outlawing them will only increase the amount they're worth, which will give sellers more money and more power.
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Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:58 am

I tried to submit one to limit them, but this resolution got in the way. I plan to repeal it then get anther resolution to limit them.
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Re: DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Rutianas » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:09 am

Silar wrote:DRAFT #1

WA Resolution #10: Nuclear Arms Possession Act (Category: International Security; Strength: Mild), for reasons explained in below argument, shall be struck out null and void.

ARGUMENT: Nuclear weapons are extremely hazardous, not only to those attacked by them, but also towards those who produce them. This hazard is due to the following reasons:

1) Nuclear weapons produce a great amount of energy when detonated.
2) A detonation of a nuclear weapon produces deadly radioactive fall out which can cause cancer, usually killing any survivors of the initial explosion.
3) The production of nuclear weapons also creates radioactive waste that poses a hazard to both the environment and near by settlements.
4) Armed nuclear weapons are prone to detonate without warning producing effect described in 1 and 2.
5) Nuclear weapons provide nations with great power. Causing them to be feared by other nations, increasing international paranoia and damaging world security.
6) Nuclear arms provide nations owning them with the power to control nations without nuclear arms by way of fear.

CONCLUSION: For reasons said in above argument, the World Assembly(WA) hereby acknowledges the danger towards international security and any hope of world peace that WA Resolution #10 provides and strikes it out null and void.


No. Just no. You repeal this, then get another resolution to limit them, do you have any idea how many non-WA nations would attack? Just like your number 6 in there. WA nations would be overrun.

Oh, and the resolution says that WA nations can have them. Doesn't stop anyone from attempting to ban their use. Not that I think a resolution along those lines would manage to pass though.

Simple fact, non-WA nations are going to have nukes. Some of them would love for the WA to ban them or limit them. Those non-WA nations then can come in and take over other nations with the threat of nuclear warfare.

How is that going to increase international security and decrease paranoia?

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Re: DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:06 am

nuclear arms are not the answer. ya, rogue nations that aren't in the WA would have them, and might attack WA members, but that doesn't mean we should decrease our selves to such barbaric means as nuclear arms! The WA's function is to promote peace not to protect its members.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:46 am

I understand that the WA's mission of peace is vital but some protection is needed for member states to defend from those who only desire to cause misery and destruction, honoured ambassador. Even if nuclear weapons are never deployed, they scare the enemy into diplomacy.

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Postby Travancore-Cochin » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:52 am

Silar wrote:The WA's function is to promote peace

We'd like to see this quoted or cited.

Regarding the proposal, NO WAY Ambassador.

NO WAY.

*looks expectantly at UnDelegate seated across the room*
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Postby Rutianas » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:04 pm

Silar wrote:nuclear arms are not the answer. ya, rouge nations that aren't in the WA would have them, and might attack WA members, but that doesn't mean we should decrease are selves to such barbaric means as nuclear arms! The WA's function is to promote peace not to protect its members.


Rouge nations? Do you mean rogue nations? Makes more sense for rogue nations to have them. And there are some of those in the WA.

I'd like to see just one national leader that would actually launch a nuclear strike against a nation that also has nuclear weapons. Chances are it wouldn't happen. The threat alone is enough to get people to act in a diplomatic manner, even if it is strained. A sane leader knows what the price is for nuclear detonation. Believe me, though. Even if nuclear weapons are banned, leaders will still find a way to get them for the defense of their nation. That may very well be a 'rogue' group that doesn't officially answer to the government.

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Re: DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 12:24 pm

Honored Delegates of the WA,

I see and understand your arguments against repealing WA Resolution # 10. Possibly, a bill to regulate the arms would be more appropriate. I am welcome to ideas on a resolution to do so.
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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:44 pm

Silar wrote:nuclear arms are not the answer. ya, rouge nations that aren't in the WA would have them, and might attack WA members,
Which is exactly the reason I wrote the NAPA and its predecessor. To ensure that WA members wouldn't be at a tactical disadvantage when dealing with non-members.

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Postby Tanaara » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:00 pm

"Your misson is peace? I've never understood that the World Assembly's mission was peace. And if that is what you believe it to be, then you have better manage to pass some resolutions stating and mandating that as soon as possible.

Why such World Assembly member nations as Tezdrian, Tybra, Mei-Dai, Cerberii, Greater Americania among others are actively engaged in war right now." He flicked his fingers up one by one as named off nations currently at war - or so close to it as to be hair line. He may not have had the most up to date information, he would readily acknowledge in private, but here he was going for effect. "And the last I heard was that Tezdrian was commiting genocide"

"But then again enforcing your mandates has always been problematical hasn't it."

"You want to leave yourselves all laid out to open predation? Sure go for it. No, nukes aren't nice, they aren't meant to be. They are weapons of Deterence! And if you take your ability to deter, to make that aggressor pause - take a step back, and think as to what your response might be - then you have given up the right to survive."

"You want to be a bunch of fluffy bunnies served up on the dinner table thats fine by me, for I shall only feel sorry for the people you chose Not to defend."

"That is a governments main, primary, most intrinsic role and duty - to protect your people when the enemy comes. War isn't fun, it isn't a game - it's destruction, untimely death and horror - but sometimes, by the Divine, it is the only thing that can keep your people protected.

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Re: DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Serbian_Soviet_Union » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:04 pm

Silar wrote:DRAFT #1

WA Resolution #10: Nuclear Arms Possession Act (Category: International Security; Strength: Mild), for reasons explained in below argument, shall be struck out null and void.

ARGUMENT: Nuclear weapons are extremely hazardous, not only to those attacked by them, but also towards those who produce them. This hazard is due to the following reasons:

1) Nuclear weapons produce a great amount of energy when detonated.
2) A detonation of a nuclear weapon produces deadly radioactive fall out which can cause cancer, usually killing any survivors of the initial explosion.
3) The production of nuclear weapons also creates radioactive waste that poses a hazard to both the environment and near by settlements.
4) Armed nuclear weapons are prone to detonate without warning producing effect described in 1 and 2.
5) Nuclear weapons provide nations with great power. Causing them to be feared by other nations, increasing international paranoia and damaging world security.
6) Nuclear arms provide nations owning them with the power to control nations without nuclear arms by way of fear.

CONCLUSION: For reasons said in above argument, the World Assembly(WA) hereby acknowledges the danger towards international security and any hope of world peace that WA Resolution #10 provides and strikes it out null and void.


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Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:28 pm

Lord Elrond, the WA delegate for Silar, stands up angrily and says "Do my fellow delegates not understand?! I no longer mean to repeal WA Resolution #10, instead I wish to put restrictions on nuclear arms production! If you have ideas, speak up. otherwise, remain silent!"
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Postby Tanaara » Sun Aug 16, 2009 3:57 pm

The UNdelegate looks at the delegate from Silar. His reply is blunt and unequivocal

"No, I shall not shut the fuck up. You proposed that stupidity and now have to reap the consequences of that folly. If you want to write up a proposal for limitations do so, but I suggest you think long and hard before you are so rude to others again.

If you can’t take the snake pit, take your own festering elsewhere. Being rude in response to criticism gains you No allies here, Lord Elrond.”


OOC: You might want to start a new thread when you have your proposal ready for discussion.
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Postby Silar » Sun Aug 16, 2009 4:32 pm

ooc: how do you delete threads?
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:06 pm

Silar wrote:ooc: how do you delete threads?


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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:22 am

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Re: DRAFT: Repeal "Nuclear Arms Possession Act"

Postby Silar » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:13 am

since this idea was an utter failure, I'll be making draft of a proposal to LIMIT and REGULATE nuclear arms, NOT to ban them. See ya there!
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