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[Draft] Ban on Child Exposure to Porn

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Strong

The World Assembly,

Disgusted that in certain nations parents allow access to pornography to the children;

Realizing that such media can scar children and potentialy sitfle childhood develpoment;

Recognizing that some may consider the exposure a form of sexual education and orientation;

Acknowledging that members that belong to the age of majority in said nation may have access to pornography for their entertainment;

Further acknowledging that some member nations have a large pornography industry and that this bill could deliver a substantial hit to said nations industry;

Believing that outlawing the exposure of pornography to members in a nation who are less than the age of majority would benefit our international community’s moral decency;

Hereby,

Defines pornography as any form of media in which their is any form of any sexual act.

1. Mandates that Member States shall:
a) Deny all forms of pornography to members who are less than the age of majority.
b) Provide sexual education courses to parents who are suggesting that pornography was their form of education.
2. These will not effect in any respect the pornography industry’s rights to allow access to members of any nation who are above the age of majority.

This does not define what pornography is which is generally left up to every nation. One could say that in their nation, nothing is considered pornographic thus nothing is banned.

You further don't state a reason as to why this needs to be banned. You're disgusted by it, but why?

Yakana wrote:This does not define what pornography is which is generally left up to every nation. One could say that in their nation, nothing is considered pornographic thus nothing is banned.

You further don't state a reason as to why this needs to be banned. You're disgusted by it, but why?

Ok something like pornography is any form of media broadcasting any form of sexual action. The reason could be that such media scars children and potentially have a detrementla effect on childrens development.

So you're stating that any sort of sexual education involving any sort of sexual action should be banned on the grounds of being porn.

What are you expecting parents to do? Actually show their children the action as to avoid showing them "media"?

Zhildigo, a burly half naked man carrying a large ominous skull around with him for no obvious reason, walked into the discussion room by accident. He had been attempting to find a place to quietly read his magazine - alone, the details of that magazine will be described as "shockingly erotic".

*wiping sweat off forehead and hiding his dirty magazine*

"Eh, greetings, Committee of Cranky-Old-People-for-Moral-Decency-In-Todays-Young-Folk, I'd just like to say that the Nation of Unibot with its Average Life Expectancy of 10, would be more than happy to make sure our young folk, ranging from 1-3 years old are steered away from pornographic images. I must however stress that some nations feel Porn is something children should be exposed too, because in a society that condemns sex at a early age, the rates of rape and sexual abuse are increased. Besides Kids watching ultraviolence in the media scares me a lot more than them watching people doing' it! "

Provide sexual education courses to parents who are suggesting that pornography was their form of education.

"Eh, what will that accomplish other than possibly lower the chance of an unwanted pregnancy in some parents' families, and don't those parents have a right to believe in what's good for their children? Now excuse me I'm going to go, eh, find a nice dark room."

"Firstly, learn to spell not-so-honored delegate, or have a competent secretary check your drafts! And “any sex act”? Excccccuse me. What is wrong with sex? If you consider sex disgusting, keep yourself bigoted notions far away from me and my nation thank you very much. You and your attempts to foist YOUR notion of morality on others is what is disgusting." The UnDelegate stalked from the chamber muttering loudly to himself

"Next they'll be trying to say that a naked body is pornographic and disgusting!

1. Prove the statement "that such media can scar children and potentialy sitfle childhood develpoment" is true, please.

2. Define "pornography" and "access." Further explain what "shall deny all forms of pornography" to minors means exactly.

Bergnovinaia wrote:

Yakana wrote:This does not define what pornography is which is generally left up to every nation. One could say that in their nation, nothing is considered pornographic thus nothing is banned.

You further don't state a reason as to why this needs to be banned. You're disgusted by it, but why?

Ok something like pornography is any form of media broadcasting any form of sexual action. The reason could be that such media scars children and potentially have a detrementla effect on childrens development.

Kissing?

Hugging?

At least Barney the Dinosaur would be banned in those uncivilized nations that still allow such filth.

The Seishinian delegate walks in and sits down. "I'm sorry honored delegate, but I cannot support this proposal," he says. "Sex is a wonderful and natural part of being a human, also people in my country can be considered adults as soon as they pass the Adult Certification Exam."

U.S.E hates this proposal cause it's takes away parents rights to raise there children and it is intrusive to media and privacy of a nations citizen. Our media will never be in the hands of the WA it's sick and wrong plus porn is nautral and apart of human nature(just like eating and sleeping). Our country will never follow the religous extermists laws do it in your own country and leave the rest of us out.

I have no quarrel with this, mostly because there are so many loop holes. Example... change the defenition of 'Porn", "pornography", ect, therefore rendering this mute. Or, you could state the age of majority for "porn" at one day old, one second old even. However, once this becomes airtight (if it ever does), my nation shall fight against it to the bitter end.

The UnDelegtate stuck his head back in. "Now if you had defined pornography as the 'act or depiction of rape', then you might have a starting point for a dialog. But simply the act of sex is not pornographic much less disgusting."

In the Domination of Tanaara rape was one of the Great Crimes and garnered the death penality with no chance of appeal. But then again the abilities( tech-material, arcane and psionic ) abilities to the Domination in such cases made sure that innocense or guilt was easily proveable. There was no excuse, no "Yes but" to that crime.

Bergnovinaia wrote:I am interested in any comments you may have.

[Draft] Ban on Child Exposure to Porn

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Strong

The World Assembly,

Disgusted that in certain nations parents allow access to pornography to the children;

Realizing that such media can scar children and potentially stifle childhood development;

Recognizing that some may consider the exposure a form of sexual education and orientation;

Acknowledging that members that belong to the age of majority in said nation may have access to pornography for their entertainment;

Further acknowledging that some member nations have a large pornography industry and that this bill could deliver a substantial hit to said nations' industry;

Believing that outlawing the exposure of pornography to members in a nation who are less than the age of majority would benefit our international community’s moral decency;

Hereby,

Defines pornography as any form of media in which there is any form of any sexual act.

1. Mandates that Member States shall:
a) Deny all forms of pornography to members who are less than the age of majority.
b) Provide sexual education courses to parents who are suggesting that pornography was their form of education.
2. These will not affect in any respect the pornography industry’s rights to allow access to members of any nation who are above the age of majority.

suggested edits for spelling...

I see no reason to do this. If your people feel that exposing a child to all pornographic materials is abusive, then ban it in your own nation. It will then be covered by the Child Protection Act. Now, if you want to ban child exposure to rape, snuff, and the harsher forms of pornography, then this kind of thing would work.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Bergnovinaia wrote:[Draft] Ban on Child Exposure to Porn

Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Strong

Oh boy! Moral decency. Our favourite ambiguous category.

Bergnovinaia wrote:Disgusted that in certain nations parents allow access to pornography to the children;

What? No disgust or outrage at nations who have little or no restriction on the access to pornography?

Bergnovinaia wrote:Realizing that such media can scar children and potentialy sitfle childhood develpoment;

Your proof or evidence of this, delegate?

Bergnovinaia wrote:Recognizing that some may consider the exposure a form of sexual education and orientation;

A step in the right direction.

Bergnovinaia wrote:Acknowledging that members that belong to the age of majority in said nation may have access to pornography for their entertainment;

Oh, may have access. How generous and thoughtful of you.

Bergnovinaia wrote:Further acknowledging that some member nations have a large pornography industry and that this bill could deliver a substantial hit to said nations industry;

Exactly how would it take a hit?

Bergnovinaia wrote:Believing that outlawing the exposure of pornography to members in a nation who are less than the age of majority would benefit our international community’s moral decency;

How would it benefit the international community's "moral decency"?

Bergnovinaia wrote:Hereby,

Nothing objectionable here. Sound phrasing.

Bergnovinaia wrote:Defines pornography as any form of media in which their is any form of any sexual act.

Any form of any sexual act? So, that would be caressing, kissing, intimate hugging et cetera? You have failed in giving solid definition of pornography. Sexual acts are nor pornographic in themselves.

Bergnovinaia wrote:1. Mandates that Member States shall:
a) Deny all forms of pornography to members who are less than the age of majority.
b) Provide sexual education courses to parents who are suggesting that pornography was their form of education.

a - Problem solved by getting rid of age of majority, or rather by altering it. It gets around the mandate here easily.
b - But is it forcing the parents to actually attend?

Bergnovinaia wrote:2. These will not effect in any respect the pornography industry’s rights to allow access to members of any nation who are above the age of majority.

What about to those who are exactly age of majority? They are neither above nor below.

I state no objections to this bill in general.

HOWEVER, I suggest the following amendments:

Amend line which reads:

"Defines pornography as any form of media in which their is any form of any sexual act."

to read:

"Defines pornography as any form of media which serves the primary purpose of depicting uncensored sexual intercourse as an entertainment medium."

THEREBY clarifying the acceptability of generally accepted sexual interactions, (i.e. hug, kiss, or other sexual depiction generally accepted as non-graphic in nature) as well as the legality of articles depicting sexuality for non-entertainment purposes.

I also suggest that the following term used throughout the bill:

"age of majority."

be amended to read:

"Age of sexual maturity"

THEREBY resolving the potentially problematic circumstance wherein a Nation's average age is younger than the accepted age of sexual maturity.

I also suggest that the floor be opened to discussions regarding the definition of "Age of sexual maturity," as this is contested by various groups throughout the world.

Back to Committee!

Howardia Commonwealth wrote:I state no objections to this bill in general.

HOWEVER, I suggest the following amendments:

Amend line which reads:

"Defines pornography as any form of media in which their is any form of any sexual act."

to read:

"Defines pornography as any form of media which serves the primary purpose of depicting uncensored sexual intercourse as an entertainment medium."

What defines entertainment as opposed to super happy fun time education? One could say that hardcore porn is simply hardcore teaching.

Yakana wrote:What defines entertainment as opposed to super happy fun time education? One could say that hardcore porn is simply hardcore teaching.

Point recieved. In this case, I advise that "as an entertainment medium" be removed from my suggested amendment.

Howardia Commonwealth wrote:

Yakana wrote:What defines entertainment as opposed to super happy fun time education? One could say that hardcore porn is simply hardcore teaching.

Point recieved. In this case, I advise that "as an entertainment medium" be removed from my suggested amendment.

In which case, no school can teach sexual education without censoring their materials, something that some nations choose not to do, for whatever reason.

All in all, this is just a bad idea. It's far more easy to just either declare that showing of certain materials to a child, such as pornography that shows snuff, rape, etc, should be illegal then let each individual nation decide for themselves if they want anything else banned for viewing.

Paula Jenner, Rutianas Ambassador

Rutianas wrote:All in all, this is just a bad idea. It's far more easy to just either declare that showing of certain materials to a child, such as pornography that shows snuff, rape, etc, should be illegal then let each individual nation decide for themselves if they want anything else banned for viewing.

I agree about snuff and rape.

I wonder, would Sexual Privacy Act counter most of what has been said?

Article 1 (Object)

(a) This resolution establishes a right to sexual privacy without state intervention.

(b) The provisions contained in this resolution apply to humans.

(c) Each Nation shall make all the necessary adaptations to these provisions in order to grant the same level of sexual privacy protection to any other sentient species there may exist under their jurisdiction, provided that their existence is legally recognized.

Article 2 (Definitions)

(a) Sexual Acts: any acts between two or more individuals which involve stimulation of the sexual organs.

This does, in a way, violate A by intervention in the teaching of sexual acts. Would this still be covered?

Is this actually acheivable? As far as I'm aware, there is no real way of preventing a kid from watching pornography, unless one illegalises this "internets" thing I keep hearing about

"Darn, I thought this failure had died and gone the way of the dodo"

I'm sure you mean well, but have you thought that this proposal has lots of definitions required? I cannot say more until this is redrafted.

This would outlaw more than half the murals in my royal palace. And I'd rather not have to pay for their replacement frescoes. No thanks. Besides, we Bythinians and Byzantines are very tolerant and worldly about moral issues. Pornography may offend your moral sensibilities, but much of our art and literature is inherently highly erotic. Of course, we are Hellenists, not Christians.

Will it really scar a youth or maiden to see an image of the rape of Leto by Zeus, for instance? Or the abduction of Helen of Troy by Paris? Or the carrying off of the brides of the Lapidae by the Centaurs?

This draft fails on so many levels. There is no proper definition of porn, no distinction between child and adolescent and the author's view on 'porn' is certainly not without prejudice.

As long as 'porn' is the display of consentual sex (or the foreplay of such) among adults, Tjennewell has no problem if parents and/or legal guardians should decide to use those as part of sexual education and orientation once their kids hit puberty. Our schools will fill out any blanks and certainly are able to correct false impressions.