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by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:47 pm
by Cerberion » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:51 pm
by The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:54 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:01 pm
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:I give this total support...i think other nations are just being EXTREMELY rude for not supporting recognition of this disabled...stop being so nit-picky and please support this.
by The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:06 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:10 pm
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:Here we go with the NatSov rubbish again...
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:16 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:19 pm
Yatulia wrote:I thank the support of the ambassador from the Leaf-Libertarian Hippies.
Ambassadors, please, do not misunderstand us. The advocacy and celebration month is far from the alleged singling out of people with disabilities. The month does not single them out, nor casts them into stratas alienated from the rest of society. Rather, the celebration and awareness crusade is exactly for the reason of unity, for the reason of association and communion, for the reason of support by all peoples, regarding a matter that is increasingly becoming a hindrance to the full attainment of universal human rights and freedom.
If we may again stress one of the benefits highlighted from the affair being a globally recognized and established one is that being an orchestrated effort, financial burden on the part of national governments are reduced and lightened, because now, you also have international agencies, international NGOs, charitable organizations and trusts, and other nations who can help you in holding activities, projects and programs in lieu of the PWD month.
There is benefit ambassadors, there is benefit with the fact that now, not just few nations would be reminded of the task to advance the cause of PWDs, but the entire international community. There is benefit in the fact, that aside from existing legal frameworks, we have an opportunity to promote, campaign, celebrate and advocate for better and greater results. There is benefit in the fact, that we are exhausting all efforts for a cause that is noble, there is benefit because we shown through unity, through respect, through determination, through compassion, we can make a difference.
by The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:22 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:24 pm
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:How does this waste money???...anyway I think there should be an act for clarification that ALL proposals can be debated in the WA...and that proposals do not necessarily have to be "neutral" (they cant explicity enforce an idea, but proposals can propose ideas that are affiliated with certain ideologies) and that micromanaging isnt illegal...all those would be nice, Im not going to write anything surronding that (yet)...but I think it might make you NatSovs quieten down for a while...thank you Yatulia.
by Three Weasels » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:25 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:27 pm
Three Weasels wrote:It's not illegal but highly annoying and intrusive. We're not typically to march to the NatSov beat, but we find micromanagement measures to be too intrusive.
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:28 pm
by Three Weasels » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:30 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Three Weasels wrote:It's not illegal but highly annoying and intrusive. We're not typically to march to the NatSov beat, but we find micromanagement measures to be too intrusive.
As for illegal, I was pointing out the idea of enforcing as per certain ideologies, not micromanagement.
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:31 pm
Yatulia wrote:Honorable colleague, the said resolution is, I agree, a significant and monumental legal work. And that is why to push for even greater results, we have proposed the PWD month, the principles and objectives of which have been discussed already.
I now turn to the other concern raised, again funds. I'm afraid too much thought is given on the expenses, that at some instances it had already been exaggerated. Celebrations would not cost that much, as the month strives for simplicity yet purpose, and again, you have the support of other non-government organizations and units who would be willing to coordinate and support efforts for the activities and projects that would be held. It is not a public relations campaign, it is a reaffirming of commitment and an opportunity to call on other members of humanity. It is not a waste of money, it goes for a noble purpose, and would not entail so much a fortune, to deprive the continuation of services funded for PWDs. The celebration of the month is in itself a service.
We are disheartened by the view some of our noble friends have regarding this matter. Forgive our apparent insistence, but we strongly feel that to pass something, even if it might appear simple or unnecessary, but in the end would greatly mean advancement of human rights, and quality of human life, is a noble cause and endeavor worth taking.
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:38 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:40 pm
Yatulia wrote:We see nothing wrong in instilling and reminding humanity their inherent goodness and potential for greatness. The month serves to carry and see the organization of tasks, that are not necessarily or strictly worded in existing laws and resolutions, it is a perfect compliment to the ideals enshrined in the said laws, a venue for application, for practice, for concrete action.
To spend money is given, as any cause that would entail participation from the public, would eventually, no matter how little or big, would always entail cost. The question, how the money is spent, and where it is being spent? I would like to believe, that such endeavor would be worth the costs, costs by the way that would be minimal and not to taxing or burdensome on the part of nations.
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:46 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Yes, money will be spent. But surely we can find a better way to spend it then to make speeches and posters and commercials? How about something that actually works to directly improve the rights of the disabled?
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:48 pm
Yatulia wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Yes, money will be spent. But surely we can find a better way to spend it then to make speeches and posters and commercials? How about something that actually works to directly improve the rights of the disabled?
Something that actually work? Definitely, we need something that works, we definitely agree honorable ambassador, hence the PWD month. Please do not be limited by the view of those paraphernalia you've mentioned, nor the power they hold. There are also rallies, concerts, competitions, exhibitions, fund-drives, all which would see humanity banding together and working for their disabled brothers and sister. Yes, we have the laws, but I am sure, a large number are still indifferent to our codes of order and justice, that is why we come-up with seminars and talks and rallies and speeches for them to be enlightened and educated.
by Eggy216 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:50 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?
by Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:53 pm
Eggy216 wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote:Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?
I think in the end this resolution would help to raise awareness, nothing else. That being said, it's definitely a step in the right direction. Only by raising awareness will anything every be changed. While immediate benefits will not be seen, the long-term effects will definitely come about. Therefore, my nation would be in support of this resolution.
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:57 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote: Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?
by Cerberion » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:47 pm
Yatulia wrote:Separatist Peoples wrote: Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?
You are correct honorable ambassador, these laws are adopted by our governments, yet not all those we rule are acquainted with them.
It adds to the objective of the CoCR by providing a venue for the very application and practice of the ideals enshrined and encapsulated in our laws. Activities with public support and participation eliminates discrimination, it forges greater respect and understanding, it provides for an opportunity of unity and communion, of family and friendship. And at the end of the day, it provides for education and awareness, as said, which is very important, for only through awareness, can all the rest follow.
We are most grateful to our esteemed friends from Eggy216 for their support regarding this matter, and call on other nations to do the same.
Ambassador,
We believe that the point of the WA is to effect change for the better. Change starts with Awareness and Education, the PWD Month is exactly that. It is for international issues, as it tackles problems with for the international community. PWD is an international concern, not only endemic to one country or two, and that is why we need a concerted effort for this, a concrete manifestation of support and commitment, hence our proposal.
by Grays Harbor » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:21 pm
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:How does this waste money???...anyway I think there should be an act for clarification that ALL proposals can be debated in the WA...and that proposals do not necessarily have to be "neutral" (they cant explicity enforce an idea, but proposals can propose ideas that are affiliated with certain ideologies) and that micromanaging isnt illegal...all those would be nice, Im not going to write anything surronding that (yet)...but I think it might make you NatSovs quieten down for a while...thank you Yatulia.
by Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:09 pm
Cerberion wrote:
Let me speak to disability and the correct way, in my opinion, that they need to be reckognized in society.
They take up jobs, and go grocery shopping, and live life visibly to the citizens of each and every nation.
The citizens of that nation then accept them in their society and realised they aren't people to be pitied. If you want to help the disabled, take your PR budget and use it to educate employers that their workplace can be made disability friendly and that they are missing out on a pool of skilled people that could further their business.
I grow sick and tired of public events to "educate the masses" that they need to be nice to the poor disabled person. They don't want pity, they want a job. Creating a do-gooder month is massively pointless. It will be ignored and it's a waste of money.
If you want to help people, create rehabilitation programs to get them back to work. Teach the newly disabled that their life isn't over. Teach employers that disabled people can do the job. Stop wasting money teaching people that it sucks to be disabled.
Does that sound rude? Unfeeling? Well trust me it isn't. It's called a voice of experience.
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