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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:47 pm

All the sentiments of our esteemed colleagues from the August chamber had been duly noted. However, it may not pass that our disappointment due to some remarks, made would be shelved, and in the spirit of courteous and civilized debate, we again ask that the ladies and gentlemen of the body reconsider.

The problem is that even with existing instruments of law and political undertakings, there are still those disabled and specially challenged who find it difficult to achieve what was assured and promised to them, that of, equal rights and freedom as guaranteed for with all men and women. That is why a month of celebration, of campaign, and of awareness is being called for, that all nations, and all peoples, may be reminded of the noble endeavor and cause to champion the rights and liberties of PWDs.

The Month is not just a campaign for awareness, but an opportunity to celebrate the achievements of those disabled, and recognize the sacrifices and hardships that they have experienced. It is a venue where men and women from all walks of life could come together and rally behind the great calling of advocating PWD respect, equality and justice. It is a time where just even for weeks or days, PWDs could feel the world truly being with them.

We lobby for its adoption even to the international level,for the reason of having strength and success with the community of nations banding together with a common goal and directive. There is strength in unity, not just of the people of nations, but more so the nations of the world.

Further, the beauty of it being an internationally recognize event is that funds would not be a problem. National Governments would not be so burdened compared to their nationally sponsored events, for the reason, that having many participants would mean, many NGOs, Private Companies, Charitable Organizations and International Agencies coordinating, organizing, and working together. Therefore, resources, manpower would all be accounted for.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the effort is at the end of the day, a noble purpose, a crusade of worth, value and importance. We ask that our brother and sister nations reconsider this, as we strongly believe that it would greatly redress grievances and further advance the welfare and interest of PWDs worldwide.
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Postby Cerberion » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:51 pm

The people of Cerberion empaphise with the Ambassador's plea but we truly believe that this is something that is not possible to effectively co-ordinate.

Furthermore we might add that there are many important groups in this world, and while people with disabilities need some specialized services to be able to function in soeciety, we do not feel that isolating them into a group is healthy for the individuals.

It is only with complete integration that we can move forward, without singling any group or class out as requiring special attention.

We acknowledge that of course, people with disabilities have challenges that others do not have, and we have programs that facilitate these individuals into working environments which are adapted to meet their individual needs.

We believe that individuals with difficulties, are actually individuals with gifts that they can bring to a potential employer and their society.


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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:54 pm

I give this total support...i think other nations are just being EXTREMELY rude for not supporting recognition of this disabled...stop being so nit-picky and please support this.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:01 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:I give this total support...i think other nations are just being EXTREMELY rude for not supporting recognition of this disabled...stop being so nit-picky and please support this.


If not supporting a piece of legislation that does not do anything is being rude, then this representative is guilty. Awareness months do nothing more then enforce and promote the same differences the author of this strives to overcome. Beyond that, this is unnecessary for an international body to legislate for. This is, at best, a national issue. Feel free to promote this within your borders, but leave nations that would rather not waste money on such a frivolous venture out of it.

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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:06 pm

Here we go with the NatSov rubbish again...
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:10 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:Here we go with the NatSov rubbish again...


NatSov rubbish that managed to successfully defeat the last few of your proposals, I might add. Additionally, it is not a purely NatSov argument. This proposal doesn't really do anything for the betterment of the disabled. We have CoCR to protect them. This just wastes money. I'm sure that even IntFeds wouldn't want to throw money at something with no real benefit.

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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:16 pm

I thank the support of the ambassador from the Leaf-Libertarian Hippies.

Ambassadors, please, do not misunderstand us. The advocacy and celebration month is far from the alleged singling out of people with disabilities. The month does not single them out, nor casts them into stratas alienated from the rest of society. Rather, the celebration and awareness crusade is exactly for the reason of unity, for the reason of association and communion, for the reason of support by all peoples, regarding a matter that is increasingly becoming a hindrance to the full attainment of universal human rights and freedom.

If we may again stress one of the benefits highlighted from the affair being a globally recognized and established one is that being an orchestrated effort, financial burden on the part of national governments are reduced and lightened, because now, you also have international agencies, international NGOs, charitable organizations and trusts, and other nations who can help you in holding activities, projects and programs in lieu of the PWD month.

There is benefit ambassadors, there is benefit with the fact that now, not just few nations would be reminded of the task to advance the cause of PWDs, but the entire international community. There is benefit in the fact, that aside from existing legal frameworks, we have an opportunity to promote, campaign, celebrate and advocate for better and greater results. There is benefit in the fact, that we are exhausting all efforts for a cause that is noble, there is benefit because we shown through unity, through respect, through determination, through compassion, we can make a difference.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:19 pm

Yatulia wrote:I thank the support of the ambassador from the Leaf-Libertarian Hippies.

Ambassadors, please, do not misunderstand us. The advocacy and celebration month is far from the alleged singling out of people with disabilities. The month does not single them out, nor casts them into stratas alienated from the rest of society. Rather, the celebration and awareness crusade is exactly for the reason of unity, for the reason of association and communion, for the reason of support by all peoples, regarding a matter that is increasingly becoming a hindrance to the full attainment of universal human rights and freedom.

If we may again stress one of the benefits highlighted from the affair being a globally recognized and established one is that being an orchestrated effort, financial burden on the part of national governments are reduced and lightened, because now, you also have international agencies, international NGOs, charitable organizations and trusts, and other nations who can help you in holding activities, projects and programs in lieu of the PWD month.

There is benefit ambassadors, there is benefit with the fact that now, not just few nations would be reminded of the task to advance the cause of PWDs, but the entire international community. There is benefit in the fact, that aside from existing legal frameworks, we have an opportunity to promote, campaign, celebrate and advocate for better and greater results. There is benefit in the fact, that we are exhausting all efforts for a cause that is noble, there is benefit because we shown through unity, through respect, through determination, through compassion, we can make a difference.


We make enough of a difference through CoCR. And if we throw away this concept, nations will have plenty of money to employ the disabled as necessary, instead of throwing it away on fluffy Public Relations junk...

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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:22 pm

How does this waste money???...anyway I think there should be an act for clarification that ALL proposals can be debated in the WA...and that proposals do not necessarily have to be "neutral" (they cant explicity enforce an idea, but proposals can propose ideas that are affiliated with certain ideologies) and that micromanaging isnt illegal...all those would be nice, Im not going to write anything surronding that (yet)...but I think it might make you NatSovs quieten down for a while...thank you Yatulia. :)
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:24 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:How does this waste money???...anyway I think there should be an act for clarification that ALL proposals can be debated in the WA...and that proposals do not necessarily have to be "neutral" (they cant explicity enforce an idea, but proposals can propose ideas that are affiliated with certain ideologies) and that micromanaging isnt illegal...all those would be nice, Im not going to write anything surronding that (yet)...but I think it might make you NatSovs quieten down for a while...thank you Yatulia. :)


It wastes money because it costs money to hold all these PR feel-good nonsense. You need to advertise, organize, and actually hold these events, all of which will cost money. OR, if you just sit back and let CoCR do its job, nations can keep the money and still not be able to discriminate against the disabled.

Also, I'd love to see you try passing those bills. They'd all be illegal for metagaming, I'm sure. Even if they weren't, they'd never pass.

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Postby Three Weasels » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:25 pm

It's not illegal but highly annoying and intrusive. We're not typically to march to the NatSov beat, but we find micromanagement measures to be too intrusive.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:27 pm

Three Weasels wrote:It's not illegal but highly annoying and intrusive. We're not typically to march to the NatSov beat, but we find micromanagement measures to be too intrusive.


As for illegal, I was pointing out the idea of enforcing as per certain ideologies, not micromanagement.

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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:28 pm

Honorable colleague, the said resolution is, I agree, a significant and monumental legal work. And that is why to push for even greater results, we have proposed the PWD month, the principles and objectives of which have been discussed already.

I now turn to the other concern raised, again funds. I'm afraid too much thought is given on the expenses, that at some instances it had already been exaggerated. Celebrations would not cost that much, as the month strives for simplicity yet purpose, and again, you have the support of other non-government organizations and units who would be willing to coordinate and support efforts for the activities and projects that would be held. It is not a public relations campaign, it is a reaffirming of commitment and an opportunity to call on other members of humanity. It is not a waste of money, it goes for a noble purpose, and would not entail so much a fortune, to deprive the continuation of services funded for PWDs. The celebration of the month is in itself a service.

We are disheartened by the view some of our noble friends have regarding this matter. Forgive our apparent insistence, but we strongly feel that to pass something, even if it might appear simple or unnecessary, but in the end would greatly mean advancement of human rights, and quality of human life, is a noble cause and endeavor worth taking.

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Postby Three Weasels » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:30 pm

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Three Weasels wrote:It's not illegal but highly annoying and intrusive. We're not typically to march to the NatSov beat, but we find micromanagement measures to be too intrusive.


As for illegal, I was pointing out the idea of enforcing as per certain ideologies, not micromanagement.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:31 pm

Yatulia wrote:Honorable colleague, the said resolution is, I agree, a significant and monumental legal work. And that is why to push for even greater results, we have proposed the PWD month, the principles and objectives of which have been discussed already.

I now turn to the other concern raised, again funds. I'm afraid too much thought is given on the expenses, that at some instances it had already been exaggerated. Celebrations would not cost that much, as the month strives for simplicity yet purpose, and again, you have the support of other non-government organizations and units who would be willing to coordinate and support efforts for the activities and projects that would be held. It is not a public relations campaign, it is a reaffirming of commitment and an opportunity to call on other members of humanity. It is not a waste of money, it goes for a noble purpose, and would not entail so much a fortune, to deprive the continuation of services funded for PWDs. The celebration of the month is in itself a service.

We are disheartened by the view some of our noble friends have regarding this matter. Forgive our apparent insistence, but we strongly feel that to pass something, even if it might appear simple or unnecessary, but in the end would greatly mean advancement of human rights, and quality of human life, is a noble cause and endeavor worth taking.


I truly cannot see how this will do anything but promote a nauseating feel-good attitude among the public. This does not protect anybody's rights, nor have any direct benefits beyond promoting a 'everybody is special and good' mentality, and spends money to do so.

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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:38 pm

We see nothing wrong in instilling and reminding humanity of their inherent goodness and potential for greatness. The month serves to carry and see the organization of tasks, that are not necessarily or strictly worded in existing laws and resolutions, it is a perfect compliment to the ideals enshrined in the said laws, a venue for application, for practice, for concrete action.

To spend money is given, as any cause that would entail participation from the public, would eventually, no matter how little or big, would always entail cost. The question, how the money is spent, and where it is being spent? I would like to believe, that such endeavor would be worth the costs, costs by the way that would be minimal and not too taxing or burdensome on the part of nations.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:40 pm

Yatulia wrote:We see nothing wrong in instilling and reminding humanity their inherent goodness and potential for greatness. The month serves to carry and see the organization of tasks, that are not necessarily or strictly worded in existing laws and resolutions, it is a perfect compliment to the ideals enshrined in the said laws, a venue for application, for practice, for concrete action.

To spend money is given, as any cause that would entail participation from the public, would eventually, no matter how little or big, would always entail cost. The question, how the money is spent, and where it is being spent? I would like to believe, that such endeavor would be worth the costs, costs by the way that would be minimal and not to taxing or burdensome on the part of nations.


Yes, money will be spent. But surely we can find a better way to spend it then to make speeches and posters and commercials? How about something that actually works to directly improve the rights of the disabled?

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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:46 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:Yes, money will be spent. But surely we can find a better way to spend it then to make speeches and posters and commercials? How about something that actually works to directly improve the rights of the disabled?


Something that actually work? Definitely, we need something that works, we definitely agree honorable ambassador, hence the PWD month. Please do not be limited by the view of those paraphernalia you've mentioned, nor the power they hold. There are also rallies, concerts, competitions, exhibitions, fund-drives, all which would see humanity banding together and working for their disabled brothers and sister. Yes, we have the laws, but I am sure, a large number are still indifferent to our codes of order and justice, that is why we come-up with seminars and talks and rallies and speeches for them to be enlightened and educated.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:48 pm

Yatulia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Yes, money will be spent. But surely we can find a better way to spend it then to make speeches and posters and commercials? How about something that actually works to directly improve the rights of the disabled?


Something that actually work? Definitely, we need something that works, we definitely agree honorable ambassador, hence the PWD month. Please do not be limited by the view of those paraphernalia you've mentioned, nor the power they hold. There are also rallies, concerts, competitions, exhibitions, fund-drives, all which would see humanity banding together and working for their disabled brothers and sister. Yes, we have the laws, but I am sure, a large number are still indifferent to our codes of order and justice, that is why we come-up with seminars and talks and rallies and speeches for them to be enlightened and educated.


Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?

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Postby Eggy216 » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:50 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?


I think in the end this resolution would help to raise awareness, nothing else. That being said, it's definitely a step in the right direction. Only by raising awareness will anything every be changed. While immediate benefits will not be seen, the long-term effects will definitely come about. Therefore, my nation would be in support of this resolution.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:53 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?


I think in the end this resolution would help to raise awareness, nothing else. That being said, it's definitely a step in the right direction. Only by raising awareness will anything every be changed. While immediate benefits will not be seen, the long-term effects will definitely come about. Therefore, my nation would be in support of this resolution.


Raising awareness is not the point of the WA. That would be the point of international non-profit organizations and charities. Not an international body designed to handle international issues.

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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:57 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote: Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?


You are correct honorable ambassador, these laws are adopted by our governments, yet not all those we rule are acquainted with them.

It adds to the objective of the CoCR by providing a venue for the very application and practice of the ideals enshrined and encapsulated in our laws. Activities with public support and participation eliminates discrimination, it forges greater respect and understanding, it provides for an opportunity of unity and communion, of family and friendship. And at the end of the day, it provides for education and awareness, as said, which is very important, for only through awareness, can all the rest follow.

We are most grateful to our esteemed friends from Eggy216 for their support regarding this matter, and call on other nations to do the same.

Ambassador,

We believe that the point of the WA is to effect change for the better. Change starts with Awareness and Education, the PWD Month is exactly that. It is for international issues, as it tackles problems with for the international community. PWD is an international concern, not only endemic to one country or two, and that is why we need a concerted effort for this, a concrete manifestation of support and commitment, hence our proposal.
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Postby Cerberion » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:47 pm

Yatulia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote: Members cannot be indifferent to the laws. The laws are automatically enforced. Besides, how is a concert, rally, competition, or any of those things going to improve the rights of the disabled any more then CoCR will?


You are correct honorable ambassador, these laws are adopted by our governments, yet not all those we rule are acquainted with them.

It adds to the objective of the CoCR by providing a venue for the very application and practice of the ideals enshrined and encapsulated in our laws. Activities with public support and participation eliminates discrimination, it forges greater respect and understanding, it provides for an opportunity of unity and communion, of family and friendship. And at the end of the day, it provides for education and awareness, as said, which is very important, for only through awareness, can all the rest follow.

We are most grateful to our esteemed friends from Eggy216 for their support regarding this matter, and call on other nations to do the same.

Ambassador,

We believe that the point of the WA is to effect change for the better. Change starts with Awareness and Education, the PWD Month is exactly that. It is for international issues, as it tackles problems with for the international community. PWD is an international concern, not only endemic to one country or two, and that is why we need a concerted effort for this, a concrete manifestation of support and commitment, hence our proposal.


Let me speak to disability and the correct way, in my opinion, that they need to be reckognized in society.

They take up jobs, and go grocery shopping, and live life visibly to the citizens of each and every nation.

The citizens of that nation then accept them in their society and realised they aren't people to be pitied. If you want to help the disabled, take your PR budget and use it to educate employers that their workplace can be made disability friendly and that they are missing out on a pool of skilled people that could further their business.

I grow sick and tired of public events to "educate the masses" that they need to be nice to the poor disabled person. They don't want pity, they want a job. Creating a do-gooder month is massively pointless. It will be ignored and it's a waste of money.

If you want to help people, create rehabilitation programs to get them back to work. Teach the newly disabled that their life isn't over. Teach employers that disabled people can do the job. Stop wasting money teaching people that it sucks to be disabled.


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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:21 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:How does this waste money???...anyway I think there should be an act for clarification that ALL proposals can be debated in the WA...and that proposals do not necessarily have to be "neutral" (they cant explicity enforce an idea, but proposals can propose ideas that are affiliated with certain ideologies) and that micromanaging isnt illegal...all those would be nice, Im not going to write anything surronding that (yet)...but I think it might make you NatSovs quieten down for a while...thank you Yatulia. :)

No, micromanaging is not "illegal", but it is not a good idea either. The WA doesn't need to hold everybody's hands. We are sovereign independent nations, not children requieing mommy and daddy to give us guidance.

As for your idea of mandated debate? What do you think the GA is here for? Coffee klatches? This is where proposals are debated. Unless you mean that all proposals should be pernitted to go up for a vote regardless of whether they are illegal, duplication or just plain bloody stupid. Well, thats not going to happen. That is why there is the delegate approval system prior to voting.

We are also getting quite tired of the standard "If you don't like my proposal, then just shut up bcause any negative comments are just being rude." which seems to be popping up with greater regularity than usual here. You need to face facts, not everybody is going to fawn all over any old thing that comes up. We all have our own ideas, and we are not shy about letting our opinions be known. And if we happen to think any aprticular proposal is not something we can support, then that is what we shall say. Period.
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Postby Yatulia » Mon Jun 20, 2011 10:09 pm

Cerberion wrote:
Let me speak to disability and the correct way, in my opinion, that they need to be reckognized in society.

They take up jobs, and go grocery shopping, and live life visibly to the citizens of each and every nation.

The citizens of that nation then accept them in their society and realised they aren't people to be pitied. If you want to help the disabled, take your PR budget and use it to educate employers that their workplace can be made disability friendly and that they are missing out on a pool of skilled people that could further their business.

I grow sick and tired of public events to "educate the masses" that they need to be nice to the poor disabled person. They don't want pity, they want a job. Creating a do-gooder month is massively pointless. It will be ignored and it's a waste of money.

If you want to help people, create rehabilitation programs to get them back to work. Teach the newly disabled that their life isn't over. Teach employers that disabled people can do the job. Stop wasting money teaching people that it sucks to be disabled.

Does that sound rude? Unfeeling? Well trust me it isn't. It's called a voice of experience.


Before anything else, I trust everyone is reminded of the courtesy and civility accorded in this debate. We are all honorable men and women, we represent the highest art of communication and dialogue,as such, no less than proper respect is expected.

Your point has been taken honorable ambassador, now allow us to put forth our, as you say, voice of experience.

I fear that this proposal is sorely being misconstrued as merely a PR campaign, but it is far more than that. You are correct in saying that they need jobs, equal treatment and rights from employers, and that is what the month is for. It is to raise awareness for that call and change. Others might argue and question the need for education and awareness, well ladies and gentlemen, everything starts from education, from awareness, from consciousness, from having a grasp of reality and the present state and that is what the PWD Month provides.

We are very disappointed that some misunderstood us, even to the extent of totally missing our point. They argue that the PWD Month is for PWDs to be reminded of their disabilities and their sad fate. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is an allegation that is entirely inaccurate and baseless. What the month would do is let our PWD brethren feel that they are no different from the others, that through activities and projects with the public's support and participation, they feel supported and one with society, not alienated and neglected, what the month does is that it removes all that they see as hindrances to their being disable, because even for once, just a few days in a year, they see there is hope, and there is still life.

Rehabilitation programs, business seminars and orientations, those are all activities and projects for the disabled yes, activities and projects that would find greater support and momentum on the PWD month. If others will indeed ignore it, then they have chosen to ignore an opportunity to further the rights and quality of life of PWDs worldwide.

It is not a waste of money, as any endeavor dedicated to the championing of mankind's welfare and security is never a waste. There will be costs, but minimal, as expected from any project and program that would entail the public's participation. Yet as stated, it would be minimal, there would be no strain on the part of national coffers, as the month calls for simplicity, yet purpose. And again, we have the international community, from public to private sector members, all working together for a common purpose and ideal.
Last edited by Yatulia on Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:30 am, edited 1 time in total.

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