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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:15 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:This is an international issue because workers are being ripped off by businesses all across nationstates and they dont have the resources to empower themselves (in many nations). I will try to make the act more direct and less "bloggy" and the "what if we dont want to regulate it" is silly...just dont vote for it if it gets submitted.


Its not silly, its a legitimate argument, and one we have every right to argue for, since your posting this on a public forum. Also, maybe workers are ripped off in YOUR nation by big business, but there is NO such issue in the CDSP. I think many of my esteemed colleagues would tend to agree.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:16 pm

Besides, since Laborer Rights are covered by a past resolution, workers have more then enough recourse if they believe they are being mistreated.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:16 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:This is an international issue because workers are being ripped off by businesses all across nationstates and they dont have the resources to empower themselves (in many nations). I will try to make the act more direct and less "bloggy" and the "what if we dont want to regulate it" is silly...just dont vote for it if it gets submitted.

You fell into my trap. You admit that this is an issue to 'give more power to the workers' in a Distributist, not a Socialist fashion. This issue is illegal, since it's mandating an ideology.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:17 pm

If a worker is mistreated, there is a Trade Union you know.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:18 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:This is an international issue because workers are being ripped off by businesses all across nationstates and they dont have the resources to empower themselves (in many nations). I will try to make the act more direct and less "bloggy" and the "what if we dont want to regulate it" is silly...just dont vote for it if it gets submitted.

You fell into my trap. You admit that this is an issue to 'give more power to the workers' in a Distributist, not a Socialist fashion. This issue is illegal, since it's mandating an ideology.


Agreed. I would ask for a secretariat's ruling on the issue.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:19 pm

If you're a free market paradise i have no doubt there are workers getting ripped off...the point is, is that this act is not as socialist, distributist or what ever else you might call it as you think it is. If it was an act to deregulate business you'd be all for it. Yes, there are trade unions and no its not illegal. Im not mandating ideology...what r u going to do next? question the words social justice in the proposal categories? :roll:
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:20 pm

My work is done; this issue will not even make it past the Moderators. Thank you and good bye.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:20 pm

And labor unions are not the same as worker's control...distributism is barely an ideology anyway...so i dont why you keep on pinning me that way.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:21 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:And labor unions are not the same as worker's control...distributism is barely an ideology anyway...so i dont why you keep on pinning me that way.

I said good bye.
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Postby Dilange » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:21 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:The Economic Democracy Act

Category: Social Justice

This act mandates that all nations develop the policies (listed below) that encourage the development of workers' co-operatives, credit unions, small businesses, and worker-managed, publicly owned corporations.

These policies include:

I. The establishment of publicly funded Democratic Business Organizations in all nations that participate in the World Assembly. These organizations would invest and create a system of decentralized advertising for democratic businesses. These organizations would also have the power to regulate these types of businesses in their respective nations.

II. Creating publicly funded Profits and Prices Regulation Comittees that would stop price-gouging and unfair business practices. These comittees would direct profits toward workers (in non-democratic industries) and would implement a fair system (if need be) of price and wage controls through the advice of economists, workers, investors, and other vital human resources. These Comittees are NOT allowed to plan and allocate economic resources. They are only allowed regulated control over prices and wages.

III. A new tax system that rewards work-sharing, co-operatives, and small businesses with tax credits, tax cuts, and paper-work reduction.

ALL World Assembly nations must participate in this act.


This would fuck up alot of economy's of monarchies, socialists, etc. I do not support this.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:22 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:If you're a free market paradise i have no doubt there are workers getting ripped off...the point is, is that this act is not as socialist, distributist or what ever else you might call it as you think it is. If it was an act to deregulate business you'd be all for it. Yes, there are trade unions and no its not illegal. Im not mandating ideology...what r u going to do next? question the words social justice in the proposal categories? :roll:


Yes you are, though. Your discriminating against big business by calling for regulation, despite the fact that directly conflicts with many nation's ideologies. If this act deregulated business, I'd still be against it, as it was still micromanaging. Ask a secretariat (Mod) for a ruling on it if you disagree.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:23 pm

Dilange wrote:
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:The Economic Democracy Act

Category: Social Justice

This act mandates that all nations develop the policies (listed below) that encourage the development of workers' co-operatives, credit unions, small businesses, and worker-managed, publicly owned corporations.

These policies include:

I. The establishment of publicly funded Democratic Business Organizations in all nations that participate in the World Assembly. These organizations would invest and create a system of decentralized advertising for democratic businesses. These organizations would also have the power to regulate these types of businesses in their respective nations.

II. Creating publicly funded Profits and Prices Regulation Comittees that would stop price-gouging and unfair business practices. These comittees would direct profits toward workers (in non-democratic industries) and would implement a fair system (if need be) of price and wage controls through the advice of economists, workers, investors, and other vital human resources. These Comittees are NOT allowed to plan and allocate economic resources. They are only allowed regulated control over prices and wages.

III. A new tax system that rewards work-sharing, co-operatives, and small businesses with tax credits, tax cuts, and paper-work reduction.

ALL World Assembly nations must participate in this act.


This would fuck up alot of economy's of monarchies, socialists, etc. I do not support this.

A Socialist representing Socialists, not a Capitalist representing Socialists, has said this will mess up Socialist economies.
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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:23 pm

Ok..i will...do u know any good secretariats?
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:24 pm

A private TG from Left Libertarian to me.

Ill be pursuing moderation over you if you try to block me from even getting past the moderators...you're being so hateful and sarcastic and didnt even listen to what I had to say...srry to bother you.


Lol, I meant the Moderators won't even approve it getting to the First Round of Voting by Regional Delegates since it's illegal.
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Postby Dilange » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:24 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Dilange wrote:
This would fuck up alot of economy's of monarchies, socialists, etc. I do not support this.

A Socialist representing Socialists, not a Capitalist representing Socialists, has said this will mess up Socialist economies.


It will.

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Postby Dilange » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:25 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:A private TG from Left Libertarian to me.

Ill be pursuing moderation over you if you try to block me from even getting past the moderators...you're being so hateful and sarcastic and didnt even listen to what I had to say...srry to bother you.


Lol, I meant the Moderators won't even approve it getting to the First Round of Voting by Regional Delegates since it's illegal.


Lol, funny he said I had to leave WA cause I disagree with his and one of his friends' proposals.

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Postby The Left-Libertarian Hippies » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:26 pm

It isnt illegal...you are painting it that way...
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:26 pm

Dilange wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:A private TG from Left Libertarian to me.



Lol, I meant the Moderators won't even approve it getting to the First Round of Voting by Regional Delegates since it's illegal.


Lol, funny he said I had to leave WA cause I disagree with his and one of his friends' proposals.

:rofl:
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:26 pm

To the Wolfmanne observer: Funny. I didn't get one. I almost feel left out, I could have sworn I was being equally hateful and sarcastic.

But seriously, ask a moderator yourself. It isn't my job to handle your legality issues.

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Postby Dilange » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:27 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:It isnt illegal...you are painting it that way...


NO actually it is illegal.

Its violated the formal rule and it violates the bloody stupid rule. :D
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:28 pm

The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:It isnt illegal...you are painting it that way...

Hmm, I'm getting bored of this, so I'm going trigger-happy and using the Ignore Cannon.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:29 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
The Left-Libertarian Hippies wrote:It isnt illegal...you are painting it that way...

Hmm, I'm getting bored of this, so I'm going trigger-happy and using the Ignore Cannon.


A shame. I'll have to be spiteful and sarcastic for the both of us then.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:31 pm

Left Libertarian we don't think you're stupid, we're just pointing out that you're playing dirty now by issuing a threat to me despite the fact Separatist was as equally 'spiteful and sarcastic'. We're also pointing out that this is an illegal act as it impose an ideology.
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Postby Dilange » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:31 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Hmm, I'm getting bored of this, so I'm going trigger-happy and using the Ignore Cannon.


A shame. I'll have to be spiteful and sarcastic for the both of us then.


'TIs it. Ill just have to be more sarcastic.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:34 pm

Left Libertarian is getting a Mod to review the Act.
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