(ABANDONED) The Economic Democracy Act

[Wolfmanne]

Big business has nothing to do with actual capitalism...plus, fascist nations generally promote racism and I pretty sure there are laws against that in the WA...maybe you need to shred your comments...

No, they don't; most Fascist nations aren't racist. And Big Businesses do, since they're the triumph of victory for Capitalists.

[Lowell Leber]

Big business has nothing to do with actual capitalism...plus, fascist nations generally promote racism and I pretty sure there are laws against that in the WA...maybe you need to shred your comments...

Actually not really, your nation can be xenophoebic and racist in attitude, just not in certain actions (i.e. genocide, etc.)

[Separatist Peoples]

Big business has nothing to do with actual capitalism...plus, fascist nations generally promote racism and I pretty sure there are laws against that in the WA...maybe you need to shred your comments...

Ok:
1 - Fascism isnt always racist. In fact, fascist nations in NationStates are usually NOT racist.
2 - Fascism is completely legal within the WA

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

Like I said I dont think you like the WA to have any actual power...you are turning this into a question of soverignty from your perspective...im not being a statist...and you really need to define big business...

[Wolfmanne]

Like I said I dont think you like the WA to have any actual power...you are turning this into a question of soverignty from your perspective...im not being a statist...and you really need to define big business...

I want the WA to have power but not too much to Dictate how a nation sets important policies. Yes, you're being Statist by creating unnecessary government bureaucracies which most nations already have covered.

[Separatist Peoples]

Like I said I dont think you like the WA to have any actual power...you are turning this into a question of soverignty from your perspective...im not being a statist...and you really need to define big business...

Big business doesn't need to be defined right now. I'm positive everybody present is able to distinguish between big and small business for the sake of this argument. And why should the WA have more authority then individual states? The WA is designed to handle international issues, not micromanage individual nations. States have every right to manage themselves as they see fit. And that is how the WA operates. If you'd prefer we all be a quasi-unified union under one flag, you're in the wrong place.

Yes, this is absolutely an argument for national sovereignty. What works in your nation, i.e. managing your large businesses, does NOT necessarily work on other nations. Your proposal is borderline socialistic and actively works against the very-pro-capitalist nations in the WA, whether you intend that to be the case or not.

[Wolfmanne]

Like I said I dont think you like the WA to have any actual power...you are turning this into a question of soverignty from your perspective...im not being a statist...and you really need to define big business...

Big business doesn't need to be defined right now. I'm positive everybody present is able to distinguish between big and small business for the sake of this argument. And why should the WA have more authority then individual states? The WA is designed to handle international issues, not micromanage individual nations. States have every right to manage themselves as they see fit. And that is how the WA operates. If you'd prefer we all be a quasi-unified union under one flag, you're in the wrong place.

Yes, this is absolutely an argument for national sovereignty. What works in your nation, i.e. managing your large businesses, does NOT necessarily work on other nations. Your proposal is borderline socialistic and actively works against the very-pro-capitalist nations in the WA, whether you intend that to be the case or not.

No, it's not Socialist, for it takes power away from Socialist governments.

[Separatist Peoples]

Big business doesn't need to be defined right now. I'm positive everybody present is able to distinguish between big and small business for the sake of this argument. And why should the WA have more authority then individual states? The WA is designed to handle international issues, not micromanage individual nations. States have every right to manage themselves as they see fit. And that is how the WA operates. If you'd prefer we all be a quasi-unified union under one flag, you're in the wrong place.

Yes, this is absolutely an argument for national sovereignty. What works in your nation, i.e. managing your large businesses, does NOT necessarily work on other nations. Your proposal is borderline socialistic and actively works against the very-pro-capitalist nations in the WA, whether you intend that to be the case or not.

No, it's not Socialist, for it takes power away from Socialist governments.

Alright, I give you that. However, to many capitalist nations it seems very much like socialism.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

Well this act definately allows large (big) businesses to exist under a system of decentralized nation-state controlled authorities...the 2 authorities I established under this act are not ran by the WA...they are organized according to how different nations want to organize them. Im not anti-big business...no it doesnt take socialists' power away... you can choose your type of business in your nation as you see fit.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

And seeming like socialism isnt socialism (FYI)...

[Separatist Peoples]

Well this act definately allows large (big) businesses to exist under a system of decentralized nation-state controlled authorities...the 2 authorities I established under this act are not ran by the WA...they are organized according to how different nations want to organize them. Im not anti-big business...no it doesnt take socialists' power away... you can choose your type of business in your nation as you see fit.

OR you can let nations that want to do this address it at a national level, and let the nations that DON'T want any regulation keep the status quo. Then you don't need to involve the WA at all. This is not an international issue.

Decentralizing a big business effectively eliminates the private ownership that makes the private sector private.

[Wolfmanne]

Well this act definately allows large (big) businesses to exist under a system of decentralized nation-state controlled authorities...the 2 authorities I established under this act are not ran by the WA...they are organized according to how different nations want to organize them. Im not anti-big business...no it doesnt take socialists' power away... you can choose your type of business in your nation as you see fit.

So why does it regulate non-Democratic Big Businesses? It clearly states that Small Businesses receive support. And it does take Socialist's power away, for Socialists want their government to decide, not the WA.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

You arent a socialist...so i think you shouldnt speak for socialism. It regulates them by nationally controlled organizations that arent part of the WA. This is all at the national level, but the legislation is internationally recognized and will(or will not) be passed internationally....this isnt micromanaging...this is an international issue.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

And decentralizing the private sector doesnt make it public...the public sector is a lot of the time centralized...

[Separatist Peoples]

You arent a socialist...so i think you shouldnt speak for socialism. It regulates them by nationally controlled organizations that arent part of the WA. This is all at the national level, but the legislation is internationally recognized and will(or will not) be passed internationally....this isnt micromanaging...this is an international issue.

I still don't get WHY we need the limitations in the first place. Or why we need to decentralize business. The entire point of the private sector is that its not controlled by the government. So why are you trying to change that?

And yes, this IS micromanaging. When you put an international blanket legislation to regulate every single nation's business, you have micromanagement.

[Wolfmanne]

Ok, I'll vote for this, create the organisations, have no members of it and not fund it .

[Wolfmanne]

You arent a socialist...so i think you shouldnt speak for socialism. It regulates them by nationally controlled organizations that arent part of the WA. This is all at the national level, but the legislation is internationally recognized and will(or will not) be passed internationally....this isnt micromanaging...this is an international issue.

Why is it an international issue?

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

I dont like your attitude Wolfmanne......the private sector isnt government owned, but it can be regulated and it can be decentralized...no where does it say that the private sector is centralized..and Wolfmanne you would still have to have a functioning regulatory agency...

[Separatist Peoples]

I dont like your attitude Wolfmanne......the private sector isnt government owned, but it can be regulated and it can be decentralized...no where does it say that the private sector is centralized..and Wolfmanne you would still have to have a functioning regulatory agency...

You have yet do explain how this is an international issue, or why this is a good idea. You didn't give one reason as to why business needs to be regulated the same way in every nation.

[Dilange]

How is it "too bloggy" ?...please explain.

It says ideas not actions. Check out other drafts and make this one like those.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

And the private sector isnt always seperate from the public sector...they are different, but they both affect each other...and Dilange clear actions taken in this Act...it doesnt say just ideas...

[Dilange]

And the private sector isnt always seperate from the public sector...they are different, but they both affect each other...and Dilange clear actions taken in this Act...it doesnt say just ideas...

Yo have to write it in draft form and not like this way. Check out other drafts and write them like those.

[Wolfmanne]

I dont like your attitude Wolfmanne......the private sector isnt government owned, but it can be regulated and it can be decentralized...no where does it say that the private sector is centralized..and Wolfmanne you would still have to have a functioning regulatory agency...

But what if we don't want to regulate it? It doesn't directly state that but it does mean that we're wasting money on a bureaucracy to regulate business when national laws can do it finely. This policy isn't Socialist either but rather Distributist, an idea which opposes both Capitalism and Socialism.

[Separatist Peoples]

And the private sector isnt always seperate from the public sector...they are different, but they both affect each other...and Dilange clear actions taken in this Act...it doesnt say just ideas...

Sometimes. Other times, such as in my nation, they are incredibly separate.

And your writing is not concise or direct in your proposal's wording. It sounds like a blog.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

This is an international issue because workers are being ripped off by businesses all across nationstates and they dont have the resources to empower themselves (in many nations). I will try to make the act more direct and less "bloggy" and the "what if we dont want to regulate it" is silly...just dont vote for it if it gets submitted.