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Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:11 pm

I have a proposal that actually allows people to own handhled guns but, I think that a proposal banning semi-automatics and automatics from the public would be better. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Tanaara » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:34 pm

The Un Delegate shakes his head sadly "You are forgetting that there are any number of nations that use nothing in the way of 'guns' at all - and with no optionality - you would force them to have guns? Or what about the civilizations that use higher tech weapons than solid slug projectiles, will they then beforece to privide or at least allow revolvers?"

"I've seen your other proposal and though I have not said anything I think it is a poor one indeed, and hopefully will never reach the floor of the WA. And yes Tanaara not only allows 'guns' but for all Citizens owning and being trained with them - proper operation safety, and maintence - is a legal requirement. But your arguement that people have a 'right' to own guns is specious."

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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:38 pm

Tanaara wrote:The Un Delegate shakes his head sadly "You are forgetting that there are any number of nations that use nothing in the way of 'guns' at all - and with no optionality - you would force them to have guns? Or what about the civilizations that use higher tech weapons than solid slug projectiles, will they then beforece to privide or at least allow revolvers?"

"I've seen your other proposal and though I have not said anything I think it is a poor one indeed, and hopefully will never reach the floor of the WA. And yes Tanaara not only allows 'guns' but for all Citizens owning and being trained with them - proper operation safety, and maintence - is a legal requirement. But your arguement that people have a 'right' to own guns is specious."


So banning very dangerous guns from the hands of the nations citizens that do use them would be a bad proposal?
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Postby Tanaara » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:46 pm

"The optionality clauxe - meaning that it is MANDATORY - means every WA nation will have to ban them / allow them."

"And any one who knows guns, has trained in their use and so on, will tell you it is not the gun, but the person holding the gun. Knives are dangerous weapons, swords are dangerous weapons, Bertie's hands are dangerous weapons and ideals are the most dangerous yet"
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:49 pm

Tanaara wrote:"The optionality clauxe - meaning that it is MANDATORY - means every WA nation will have to ban them / allow them."

"And any one who knows guns, has trained in their use and so on, will tell you it is not the gun, but the person holding the gun. Knives are dangerous weapons, swords are dangerous weapons, Bertie's hands are dangerous weapons and ideals are the most dangerous yet"


So banning these guns wouldn't seriuoslly reduce violent crime?!?
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Veilyonia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:55 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:
Tanaara wrote:"The optionality clauxe - meaning that it is MANDATORY - means every WA nation will have to ban them / allow them."

"And any one who knows guns, has trained in their use and so on, will tell you it is not the gun, but the person holding the gun. Knives are dangerous weapons, swords are dangerous weapons, Bertie's hands are dangerous weapons and ideals are the most dangerous yet"


So banning these guns wouldn't seriuoslly reduce violent crime?!?


It probably wouldn't. Regardless of the weapon, the criminal will do what he wants to do. Whether he uses an AK-47 or a pistol doesn't really change things. It's the man behind the madness that is more dangerous than the weapon, as Tanaara so eloquently stated.
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:56 pm

Veilyonia wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:
Tanaara wrote:"The optionality clauxe - meaning that it is MANDATORY - means every WA nation will have to ban them / allow them."

"And any one who knows guns, has trained in their use and so on, will tell you it is not the gun, but the person holding the gun. Knives are dangerous weapons, swords are dangerous weapons, Bertie's hands are dangerous weapons and ideals are the most dangerous yet"


So banning these guns wouldn't seriuoslly reduce violent crime?!?


It probably wouldn't. Regardless of the weapon, the criminal will do what he wants to do. Whether he uses an AK-47 or a pistol doesn't really change things. It's the man behind the madness that is more dangerous than the weapon, as Tanaara so eloquently stated.


I suppose so. Thus this legislation would be pointless.
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Buffett and Colbert » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:59 pm

Tanaara wrote:The Un Delegate shakes his head sadly "You are forgetting that there are any number of nations that use nothing in the way of 'guns' at all - and with no optionality - you would force them to have guns? Or what about the civilizations that use higher tech weapons than solid slug projectiles, will they then beforece to privide or at least allow revolvers?"



Incorrect. If a nation does not use guns, the resolution simply would not affect said nation.

EDIT-- This idea is lacking however.
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:01 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Tanaara wrote:The Un Delegate shakes his head sadly "You are forgetting that there are any number of nations that use nothing in the way of 'guns' at all - and with no optionality - you would force them to have guns? Or what about the civilizations that use higher tech weapons than solid slug projectiles, will they then beforece to privide or at least allow revolvers?"



Incorrect. If a nation does not use guns, the resolution simply would not affect said nation.

EDIT-- This idea is lacking however.


It's just a rough (Very rough) start. I have a feeling my "right to own handheld guns" won't even reach the floor. However, I think some restrictions should be taken.
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Postby Seculartopia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:05 pm

Not every countries rights on guns and other things are the same.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:07 pm

Seculartopia wrote:Not every countries rights on guns and other things are the same.


Yeah but that'sthe point of the WA. To create international laws.
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Postby Rutianas » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:40 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:
Seculartopia wrote:Not every countries rights on guns and other things are the same.


Yeah but that'sthe point of the WA. To create international laws.


The point of the WA is to create international laws on international issues. I see no reason to ban all semi-automatics and automatics from the public. You haven't given me a reason as to why it's an international issue, therefore, I find that this isn't even worth the WA's time to consider. Tell me why it's an international issue and then we'll discuss it further. Oh, and a reduction in crime doesn't count. That's not an international issue. Banning the carry of these weapons across borders without proper permits would be an international issue. Banning these weapons from the public of all WA nations is not.

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:59 pm

Rutianas wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:
Seculartopia wrote:Not every countries rights on guns and other things are the same.


Yeah but that'sthe point of the WA. To create international laws.


The point of the WA is to create international laws on international issues. I see no reason to ban all semi-automatics and automatics from the public. You haven't given me a reason as to why it's an international issue, therefore, I find that this isn't even worth the WA's time to consider. Tell me why it's an international issue and then we'll discuss it further. Oh, and a reduction in crime doesn't count. That's not an international issue. Banning the carry of these weapons across borders without proper permits would be an international issue. Banning these weapons from the public of all WA nations is not.

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Ok so how would a gun smugling act even remotely stop people from smuggling guns???????
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Postby Rutianas » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:16 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:Ok so how would a gun smugling act even remotely stop people from smuggling guns???????


Mandatory compliance? If gun smuggling is banned, then it's banned.

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Postby Bergnovinaia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:18 pm

Rutianas wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:Ok so how would a gun smugling act even remotely stop people from smuggling guns???????


Mandatory compliance? If gun smuggling is banned, then it's banned.

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So you mean government smuggling. just becuase it's law doesn't mean a nations citizens will comply with it.
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Postby Rutianas » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:31 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:So you mean government smuggling. just becuase it's law doesn't mean a nations citizens will comply with it.


OOC: Mandatory compliance means you comply with it no matter what. There's no other option. However, yeah, in nations that RP, there will probably still be smuggling. The point here is that if it's a resolution, you comply unless you can find a way around it.

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I highly doubt there's going to be enough support to ban semi-automatics to the public. Automatics, maybe. But semi-automatics? No way. There's too many nations that already allow it. Seems kind of ridiculous to say 'people have the right to guns', then turn around and say 'but only the guns we want them to have'. Fact is that a pistol is just as dangerous as a semi-automatic or even an automatic. If you're going to ban semi-automatics and automatics, you'd better show concrete research as to how they're more dangerous than a run of the mill pistol and why the public shouldn't have it. In nations that allow gun sales to the public, for every one kook that shoots people with a gun, there's likely five hundred thousand others, or more in nations with large populations, that have guns and do not shoot another individual. Why? They know better. Don't punish the masses because some people went insane and started shooting.

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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Krioval » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:28 pm

Would the honored ambassador please place the text of the proposal before us for evaluation? Honestly, the standards lately...:grumble:

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Postby Carbandia » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:37 pm

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Postby New Xania » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:16 pm

If you ban guns people will use knives. If you ban knives, people will use their hands. If you ban hands, you are crazy.

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Postby CIB EMPIRE » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:19 pm

when will you guys learn that you will never ban guns in the WA
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby axmanland » Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:44 am

We of Axmanland deplore this assault on the freedom of our citizens to carry unfeasibly potent weaponry.

Here in Axmanland crime is practically nonexistent partly through froward looking social policies partly through the disproportionate response squads the police run........but mostly its because the average Axmanlandian citizen goes about his daily life more well armed than some countries soldiers.

In short we cannot support a proposal that would mean that criminals had more access to vastly destructive weaponry than our common citizens.

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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Meekinos » Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:39 am

What is with this recent spate of unprofitable proposals? If we didn't know better, we would have to say that there is a strong anti-capitalist mentality pervading the hallow halls of this noble institution,
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Postby Murray the Evil Skull » Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:05 am

Meekinos wrote:What is with this recent spate of unprofitable proposals? If we didn't know better, we would have to say that there is a strong anti-capitalist mentality pervading the hallow halls of this noble institution,


Horrible isn't it, Mortal. And not only are they unprofitable, but fluffy, and softer than a sneakerfull of grits. I can't find any proposals even remotely EVIL enough to get my support.

I have a proposal that actually allows people to own handhled guns but, I think that a proposal banning semi-automatics and automatics from the public would be better. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

This isn't any better, mortal, as there are some pretty powerful wheelguns out there as well, such as the S&W .500 magnum. It would be better to drop this and move on.
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Postby Altani WA Mission » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:27 pm

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It has been said many times, in many languages, in many nations. But I think it's appropriate here once again: "Come and take it."

In other words, the Federation will never support a proposal like this. Ever.
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Re: Ban of Semi-Automatics and Automatics

Postby Krioval » Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:35 pm

Gods! I thought I told you to post the damn text of your proposal and...oh. That was another nation and another debate. Oops. They all start to run together sometimes, don't they. Well, one should still post one's proposal if one wants it debated.

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