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Mundiferrum
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Repealing of the Convention on Wartime Deceased

Postby Mundiferrum » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:46 pm

In wartime, many weapons may be used, including those that psychologically affect the enemy. These "psych-weapons" are generally accepted by the WA.
However, one form of psych-weaponry is not generally accepted, and that is the desecration of the corpses of the wartime deceased. The problem is not that this policy over limits the methods that can be used in warfare, but that it over limits these things using an ideological basis, one that is not universally shared by everyone.
For some people do not believe that the desecration of bodies is disrespectful, and so they strongly believe that desecration is a perfectly valid weapon in warfare, that can be used to weaken the moral of the nation, which is what a psych-weapon does. However, this belief by some is not respected by this law, and so this law must be repealed, in order to maintain the ideological balance of the WA, a principle that the WA has been striving for for so long..
Yet another problem in this law is the fact that each state that battles in such wars must make provisions for the proper post-death rituals for all of the wartime deceased. This will make the state that has won most of the battles waste valuable resources that could be used for the manufacture of arms for battle in burial rites and other rituals. This will inevitably weaken the said state, and so prolong the war, as a quick victory may not be snatched as easily as it should be, which of course is against yet another principle of the WA, which is to help maintain peace.
So this resolution condemns the resolution being repealed as a violation of the equality of nations in ideology that has been one of the things that this assembly has been working for for so long, and as a violation of another goal of the WA, to maintain peace, and so we highly recommend that this convention be removed from the charter of laws of the World Assembly.

Why am I posting this repeal here? I do not have enough endorsements to be able to pass this repeal. So may I request one who does have enough endorsements to please propose this to the GA.
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Postby New Meorn » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:24 am

Mundiferrum wrote: The problem is not that this policy over limits the methods that can be used in warfare, but that it over limits these things using an ideological basis, one that is not universally shared by everyone.

The Chief Envoy would like to point out his confusion as to how explicitly prohibiting dismembering is on 'an ideological basis'

Yet another problem in this law is the fact that each state that battles in such wars must make provisions for the proper post-death rituals for all of the wartime deceased.

I'm afraid this is incorrect. The resolution #136 merely Strongly Suggests it does not state that a member state must make these previsions.

However, if you are determined to repeal this legislation, then I would advise writing up a proper proposal to do so and posting it here to be reviewed.

Yours,
Herbert Schmidt,
Chief Envoy to the WA for New Meorn

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Postby Hirota » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:35 am

Mundiferrum wrote:For some people do not believe that the desecration of bodies is disrespectful, and so they strongly believe that desecration is a perfectly valid weapon in warfare, that can be used to weaken the moral of the nation, which is what a psych-weapon does. However, this belief by some is not respected by this law, and so this law must be repealed, in order to maintain the ideological balance of the WA, a principle that the WA has been striving for for so long..
Tough. Relativism aside, some ideologies are simply so barbaric and contemptible that the WA has an obligation to act as a moral compass. This is one of them. We shouldn't have to cater for the downright barbaric and insane. If your barbaric state is incapable of respecting the dead, then perhaps Hirota should annex your little nation and ram such values down it's proverbial throat. Don't worry, we'll let you go back to being an independent state in a generation or two.
Why am I posting this repeal here? I do not have enough endorsements to be able to pass this repeal. So may I request one who does have enough endorsements to please propose this to the GA.
Good. Glad to hear we won't need to worry about a repeal on this and you are incapable of taking this idea any further.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:58 am

"Tough. Relativism aside, some ideologies are simply so barbaric and contemptible that the WA has an obligation to act as a moral compass. This is one of them. We shouldn't have to cater for the downright barbaric and insane. If your barbaric state is incapable of respecting the dead, then perhaps Hirota should annex your little nation and ram such values down it's proverbial throat. Don't worry, we'll let you go back to being an independent state in a generation or two."

Barbaric in your eyes. Contemptible in your eyes. But not to mine, not to those who believe in such ideologies! This is outright disrespect to those who believe in those ideologies! You are the one who is barbaric, for condemning these people for what they believe in! Especially if what they believe in is not necessarily breaking the major principles of morality in warfare!
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Marcus Gravellius Cisternae Magnorator, Mundiferri Representative to the World Assembly
"Call me Gravey. Only my really close friends call me Marcus, and I don't think we're that close yet. Maybe."
No, we are not a nation of cat people. We're all humans (and a few annoying gnomes) here. The cat's just there because our king is such a genius, he saw that it would be a good military strategy to have a distractingly cute flag, to blind our enemies to (our) victory!
Technological level: FUTURE TECH. We also have MAGICAL TECH, and a lot of the people here still play with MEDIEVAL TECH and PRESENT TECH. We're cool that way.

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Postby Flibbleites » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:06 am

Mundiferrum wrote:Barbaric in your eyes. Contemptible in your eyes. But not to mine, not to those who believe in such ideologies! This is outright disrespect to those who believe in those ideologies! You are the one who is barbaric, for condemning these people for what they believe in! Especially if what they believe in is not necessarily breaking the major principles of morality in warfare!

There are people who think slavery is a good thing, that doesn't mean we should repeal the ban on it.

Bob Flibble
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Postby Hirota » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:07 am

Mundiferrum wrote:Barbaric in your eyes. Contemptible in your eyes. But not to mine, not to those who believe in such ideologies! This is outright disrespect to those who believe in those ideologies! You are the one who is barbaric, for condemning these people for what they believe in! Especially if what they believe in is not necessarily breaking the major principles of morality in warfare!
My dear ambassador, the simple fact that the World Assembly passed this legislation proves I am hardly alone in this matter. If you want it repealed, go and do the hard work yourself. I shall look forward to never seeing it happen on the basis of your absurd argument.

As for being disrespectful - what did you expect? It is an absurd ideology, there simply is no other way for my government to view it. But I find it slightly hypocritical that you are so keen to disrespect the dead, and then whine like a petulant child about my government disrespecting your ideology.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:16 pm

The ambassador for Mundiferrum is suddenly taken and executed by the Mundiferrum government.
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Marcus Gravellius Cisternae Magnorator, Mundiferri Representative to the World Assembly
"Call me Gravey. Only my really close friends call me Marcus, and I don't think we're that close yet. Maybe."
No, we are not a nation of cat people. We're all humans (and a few annoying gnomes) here. The cat's just there because our king is such a genius, he saw that it would be a good military strategy to have a distractingly cute flag, to blind our enemies to (our) victory!
Technological level: FUTURE TECH. We also have MAGICAL TECH, and a lot of the people here still play with MEDIEVAL TECH and PRESENT TECH. We're cool that way.


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