[ABANDONED] Freedom to Keep and Bear Arms Act

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

What's a GCR?

Game created regions i.e. the Pacifics, Lazarus, Balder, Osiris Rejected Realms. In other words most of the big hitters when it comes to Delegate votes.

DEFINES firearm as a barreled weapon that uses an explosive propellant to fire one or more projectiles at one time

Just saw this doozy and had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so much. I think you're missing a key word.

[Separatist Peoples]

DEFINES firearm as a barreled weapon that uses an explosive propellant to fire one or more projectiles at one time

Just saw this doozy and had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so much. I think you're missing a key word.

Indeed. This currently covers every single modern weapon from ancient cannons to missile pods.

[West Angola]

Just saw this doozy and had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so much. I think you're missing a key word.

Indeed. This currently covers every single modern weapon from ancient cannons to missile pods.

Not to mention it technically covers the apparatus to launch a missile.

[Molsonian Republics]

What's a GCR?

Game created regions i.e. the Pacifics, Lazarus, Balder, Osiris Rejected Realms. In other words most of the big hitters when it comes to Delegate votes.

DEFINES firearm as a barreled weapon that uses an explosive propellant to fire one or more projectiles at one time

Just saw this doozy and had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so much. I think you're missing a key word.

What's wrong with it?

[Ponderosa]

Game created regions i.e. the Pacifics, Lazarus, Balder, Osiris Rejected Realms. In other words most of the big hitters when it comes to Delegate votes.



Just saw this doozy and had to pick myself up off the floor I was laughing so much. I think you're missing a key word.

What's wrong with it?

Your definition includes cannons and missile launchers. Not to mention tank turrets.


Here's Wikipedia's definition:

A firearm is a portable gun, being a barreled weapon that launches one or more projectiles often defined by the action of an explosive.

Yours is closer to the definition of a gun: "A normally tubular weapon or other device designed to discharge projectiles or other material."

Don't plagiarize, but I think portable is the key word here.

[Molsonian Republics]

What's wrong with it?

Your definition includes cannons and missile launchers. Not to mention tank turrets.


Here's Wikipedia's definition:

A firearm is a portable gun, being a barreled weapon that launches one or more projectiles often defined by the action of an explosive.

Yours is closer to the definition of a gun: "A normally tubular weapon or other device designed to discharge projectiles or other material."

Don't plagiarize, but I think portable is the key word here.

Thank you

[Gaelic Celtia]

Obviously you are obsessed with this resolution, and it is at least better than your other attempts to some degree, but I figured you would have learned by now that the opposition is most likely too great for this to be passed. Plus, you seem to still not be able to listen to the moderators, and have lost yet another nation because of the fact. I'd say it is best to just drop this, before it just devolves like all the others and you get warned, banned, and deleted again.

[Molsonian Republics]

Obviously you are obsessed with this resolution, and it is at least better than your other attempts to some degree, but I figured you would have learned by now that the opposition is most likely too great for this to be passed. Plus, you seem to still not be able to listen to the moderators, and have lost yet another nation because of the fact. I'd say it is best to just drop this, before it just devolves like all the others and you get warned, banned, and deleted again.

What I'm "obsessed" with is freedom.

[Ikania]

Obviously you are obsessed with this resolution, and it is at least better than your other attempts to some degree, but I figured you would have learned by now that the opposition is most likely too great for this to be passed. Plus, you seem to still not be able to listen to the moderators, and have lost yet another nation because of the fact. I'd say it is best to just drop this, before it just devolves like all the others and you get warned, banned, and deleted again.

What I'm "obsessed" with is freedom.

Yet you ban pretty much everything in your nation. How is that freedom?

[Abacathea]

Obviously you are obsessed with this resolution, and it is at least better than your other attempts to some degree, but I figured you would have learned by now that the opposition is most likely too great for this to be passed. Plus, you seem to still not be able to listen to the moderators, and have lost yet another nation because of the fact. I'd say it is best to just drop this, before it just devolves like all the others and you get warned, banned, and deleted again.

What I'm "obsessed" with is freedom.

Then work towards some other freedom.

[Molsonian Republics]

What I'm "obsessed" with is freedom.

Then work towards some other freedom.

We will once a gun rights resolution passes.

[West Angola]

We will once a gun rights resolution passes.

Then you'll be waiting awhile. As has been pointed out multiple times, (and evidenced by the shellacking this proposal received on its first go-round) this. Will. Never. Pass.

[Separatist Peoples]

DEFINES firearm as portable, barreled weapon that uses an explosive to launch one or more projectiles

Wonderful. Though we still no longer have the issue of the definition including tank turrets and large artillery, it still includes enough leeway for small artillery systems, MANPADS (that does bring back some memories!), grenade launchers, mortars, and the like.

Still don't see why property ownership is a right that requires international attention, and that has yet to be addressed.

[Bodobol]

"Okay, time to properly rebut this," Ambassador Szun stated as he strode into the chamber.

General Assembly
Gun Control
Relax Laws

RECOGNIZING a persons right to own a firearm of reasonable strength

"This is a right in some countries. This is not a right in all countries, nor should it be. Although certain rights such as gay marriage have been recognized by the World Assembly, this is because those rights have no potential to harm others. On the other hand, a firearm does not at all improve the quality of life- instead, it endangers it. Whilst it may save the life of one being attacked, it is just as often used as an item to murder or harm innocents. There are non-lethal self defense alternatives to firearms- such as tasers."

DEFINES firearm as portable, barreled weapon that uses an explosive to launch one or more projectiles

"Arguably this definition would include rocket propelled grenades and other such weapons, but I believe any nation who chooses to interpret this as such would already be selling said weapons legally."

DEFINES reasonable strength as the amount of strength required to effectively disarm or subdue it's target

"Hm. Seems simple enough. Allows for us to only allow sale of small pistols- which we already do anyway."

NOTING that this civil right is often intruded on

"Still not seeing how this is a civil right. Try harder."

NOTING the fundamental human right to defend one's self

"You're correct. This is a human right. One does not need a firearm to defend oneself."

SEEKING to make it possible for citizens to protect themselves from those who wish to do them unprovoked harm

"With this resolution, you are effectively arming those doing harm as well as those protecting themselves by giving them an easy, legal method with which they can obtain firearms. This clause contradicts the resolution. It is not necessary to have a firearm to defend oneself."

SEEKING to protect citizens from tyrannical governments who wish to cause undue harm to aforementioned citizens

"This is an incitement to violence and armed revolution. This is mob rule reasoning; as well, armed revolution also has a tendency to lead to even more tyrannical governments. We've seen it happen here. Peaceful, organized protest is the way to go, and violence should remain a last resort."

MANDATES that all nations must allow their citizens, of whom are deemed able to do so, to own firearms

"Even with the leeway for restriction granted to individual nations earlier in the resolution, this is still not a matter the World Assembly should interfere with. Leave it up to individual nations."

DEFINES 'able' as having the following conditions:

1) Free of any mental illness that would impede their ability to operate a firearm.
2) Having not been convicted of a violent crime under their nations law.
3) At or above the age of majority as defined by each individual nation.

"Decent enough definitions I suppose, though I fear this may allow nations to deny firearms to people who are homosexual and unjustly classified as mentally ill- in certain nations, the third clause could also lead to discrimination toward different groups by changing the age of majority for them. I would suggest changing the second point to the following-
2) Having not been convicted in a free and fair court trial of a violent crime under their nation's law.
-so as to prevent abuse."

DEFINES the term 'violent crime' as any crime that causes harm or results in the death to another person or has the intent of meeting one or more of the aforementioned conditions.

"I would suggest changing 'harm' to 'physical harm'. Under its current definition, misdemeanors could be classified as violent crimes, as most cause some harm to an individual- shoplifting a Skittles bag, for example, harms the company and retailer selling it by damaging their profits, and taking a fraction of money out of the pockets out of several people. Other misdemeanors (well, misdemeanors in some countries anyway) that could be classified as 'violent crime' under this clause include public urination, graffiti and possession of cannabis or alcohol."

DOES NOT require member nations to allow assault weapons or automatic weapons

"Already covered under the definition of reasonable strength."

DEFINES 'assault weapon' as a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine

"Unnecessary for above reason."

RECOMMENDS that all nations have laws to encourage safe and responsible use of firearms

[Belzia]

oh, this stinker of a proposal is back...

[Koderland]

This is just awful. If the author would listen to criticism perhaps it wouldn't be ridiculed further.

[Molsonian Republics]

DEFINES firearm as portable, barreled weapon that uses an explosive to launch one or more projectiles

Wonderful. Though we still no longer have the issue of the definition including tank turrets and large artillery, it still includes enough leeway for small artillery systems, MANPADS (that does bring back some memories!), grenade launchers, mortars, and the like.

Still don't see why property ownership is a right that requires international attention, and that has yet to be addressed.

How can I make sure that the definition doesn't include those?

[Molsonian Republics]

This is just awful. If the author would listen to criticism perhaps it wouldn't be ridiculed further.

That would be easier without the cloud of complaints about how I follow God's law over WA law.

[Hirota]

Still opposed.

[Separatist Peoples]

Wonderful. Though we still no longer have the issue of the definition including tank turrets and large artillery, it still includes enough leeway for small artillery systems, MANPADS (that does bring back some memories!), grenade launchers, mortars, and the like.

Still don't see why property ownership is a right that requires international attention, and that has yet to be addressed.

How can I make sure that the definition doesn't include those?

Tightening the definition up helps. Getting more specific with the definition and what it covers would be an excellent first start. I have no intention of spoon-feeding you a definition to use.

[Reploid Productions]

"Okay, time to properly rebut this," Ambassador Szun stated as he strode into the chamber.

General Assembly
Gun Control
Relax Laws

RECOGNIZING a persons right to own a firearm of reasonable strength

1. "This is a right in some countries. This is not a right in all countries, nor should it be. Although certain rights such as gay marriage have been recognized by the World Assembly, this is because those rights have no potential to harm others. On the other hand, a firearm does not at all improve the quality of life- instead, it endangers it. Whilst it may save the life of one being attacked, it is just as often used as an item to murder or harm innocents. There are non-lethal self defense alternatives to firearms- such as tasers."

DEFINES firearm as portable, barreled weapon that uses an explosive to launch one or more projectiles

2. "Arguably this definition would include rocket propelled grenades and other such weapons, but I believe any nation who chooses to interpret this as such would already be selling said weapons legally."

DEFINES reasonable strength as the amount of strength required to effectively disarm or subdue its target

3. "Hm. Seems simple enough. Allows for us to only allow sale of small pistols - which we already do anyway."

NOTING that this civil right is often intruded on

4. "Still not seeing how this is a civil right. Try harder."

NOTING the fundamental human right to defend one's self

5. "You're correct. This is a human right. One does not need a firearm to defend oneself."

SEEKING to make it possible for citizens to protect themselves from those who wish to do them unprovoked harm

6. "With this resolution, you are effectively arming those doing harm as well as those protecting themselves by giving them an easy, legal method with which they can obtain firearms. This clause contradicts the resolution. It is not necessary to have a firearm to defend oneself."

SEEKING to protect citizens from tyrannical governments who wish to cause undue harm to aforementioned citizens

7. "This is an incitement to violence and armed revolution. This is mob rule reasoning; as well, armed revolution also has a tendency to lead to even more tyrannical governments. We've seen it happen here. Peaceful, organized protest is the way to go, and violence should remain a last resort."

MANDATES that all nations must allow their citizens, of whom are deemed able to do so, to own firearms

8. "Even with the leeway for restriction granted to individual nations earlier in the resolution, this is still not a matter the World Assembly should interfere with. Leave it up to individual nations."

DEFINES 'able' as having the following conditions:

1) Free of any mental illness that would impede their ability to operate a firearm.
2) Having not been convicted of a violent crime under their nations law.
3) At or above the age of majority as defined by each individual nation.

9. "Decent enough definitions I suppose, though I fear this may allow nations to deny firearms to people who are homosexual and unjustly classified as mentally ill- in certain nations, the third clause could also lead to discrimination toward different groups by changing the age of majority for them. I would suggest changing the second point to the following-
2) Having not been convicted in a free and fair court trial of a violent crime under their nation's law.
-so as to prevent abuse."

DEFINES the term 'violent crime' as any crime that causes harm or results in the death to another person or has the intent of meeting one or more of the aforementioned conditions.

10. "I would suggest changing 'harm' to 'physical harm'. Under its current definition, misdemeanors could be classified as violent crimes, as most cause some harm to an individual- shoplifting a Skittles bag, for example, harms the company and retailer selling it by damaging their profits, and taking a fraction of money out of the pockets out of several people. Other misdemeanors (well, misdemeanors in some countries anyway) that could be classified as 'violent crime' under this clause include public urination, graffiti and possession of cannabis or alcohol."

DOES NOT require member nations to allow assault weapons or automatic weapons

11. "Already covered under the definition of reasonable strength."

DEFINES 'assault weapon' as a selective fire (selective between semi-automatic, automatic and/or burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine

"Unnecessary for above reason."

RECOMMENDS that all nations have laws to encourage safe and responsible use of firearms

12. "This clause does nothing and is not necessary."

1. Using a taser to defend yourself against an attacker with a gun would not work considering that the attacker had halfway decent aim and knowledge of how to properly use his/her gun.
2. Noted
3. Noted
4. This question can be applied to many things and is probably better suited for a philosopher or a political scientist
5. Use of a firearm is the most effective way to defend oneself
6. "Having not been convicted of a violent crime under their nations law. "
7. Peaceful protests don't really solve as much as a revolution would. If a government is able to prevent its citizens to own guns, that makes it much easier for the government to commit genocide or other crimes against humanity.
8. If this matter is left up to individual nations, the problems outlined in response #7 could happen. There are many resolutions that regulate things that should be left to the decision of individual nations.
9. Denying gun rights to gay people would violate GAR#35, Article 1, section C in the event that this resolution passes. Your suggestion for #2 will be added to the draft, thank you.
10. Also noted and will be added to the draft.
11. It's a good point but I want to make sure people understand that this resolution will not require nations to allow assault weapons
12. While it doesn't mandate anything, it is important for nations to follow that recommendation

Thank you for your suggestions.

[Ponderosa]

Wonderful. Though we still no longer have the issue of the definition including tank turrets and large artillery, it still includes enough leeway for small artillery systems, MANPADS (that does bring back some memories!), grenade launchers, mortars, and the like.

Still don't see why property ownership is a right that requires international attention, and that has yet to be addressed.

How can I make sure that the definition doesn't include those?

Perhaps you can permit nations to ban those kinds, in the same way you are permitting them to ban assault weapons and automatic weapons.

Also, just don't reply to the people that tell you to give up. They might be right, but replying to them is how the threadjacks get started.

[Thafoo]

President Scott W Pilgrim was told, after the failure of the last bill, that, as an early birthday present, he could laugh his ass off. His aides covered his eyes as he walked in to the chamber. They uncovered his eyes.

He promptly fell into a coma. He is dreaming baleful thoughts, mark his words.

[West Angola]

1. Using a taser to defend yourself against an attacker with a gun would not work considering that the attacker had halfway decent aim and knowledge of how to properly use his/her gun.

None of which changes the fact that gun control is still not shown to be a right.

4. This question can be applied to many things and is probably better suited for a philosopher or a political scientist

It remains your duty to show why gun control should be considered a right, especially since that is one of the big holes in this resolution.

5. Use of a firearm is the most effective way to defend

Not necessarily. It's a situational thing, and a gun is not always the most effective or appropriate option.

6. "Having not been convicted of a violent crime under their nations law. "

Because only those who have already committed a violent crime seek to commit violent crime.

7. Peaceful protests don't really solve as much as a revolution would. If a government is able to prevent its citizens to own guns, that makes it much easier for the government to commit genocide or other crimes against humanity.

First of all, that is false. Peaceful protests can accomplish as much if not more than a revolution without the inherent harms of the latter. And again, allowing almost anyone to own guns allows citizens to kill each other with far more ease, and to carry out acts of violence against governments which are not necessarily tyrannical.

8. If this matter is left up to individual nations, the problems outlined in response #7 could happen. There are many resolutions that regulate things that should be left to the decision of individual nations.

We all know what you're referring to, so I'm not going to even bother asking. Those resolutions affect what is deemed by the author and the majority of the WA to be recognized human or civil right, which gun control is not.

[Thafoo]

Nice one, Molsona. You broke the page and you broke my brain.