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Postby Fachumonn » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:40 pm

PineneedleProject wrote:This resolution has been submitted to the world assembly. Thank you guys so much for all the feedback and making this possible! Please support the resolution, here is the link: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1647835986

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[RESUBMITTED: PROTECTING BORDERS]

Postby PineneedleProject » Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:31 am

The resolution has been resubmitted, with the issues corrected: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... mission=ok

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Postby Hiram Land » Fri Mar 25, 2022 11:40 am

Might I throw some improvements to the general quality of the proposal? The following may not be perfect but it should help improve the quality of the proposal.

Definitions:

1. Regarding caravans and clear intent:
- A caravan shall be defined for the purposes of this resolution as a group of two or more persons attempting to unlawfully enter the territory of a sovereign nation in an organized manner and with the clear intent of breaching the territorial integrity of the nation concerned. The definition of unlawful caravan includes all possessions and vehicles held by these alien persons.
> Clear intent shall be defined as knowingly and willingly (thereby meaning a person’s own free will) participating in an unlawful activity. In order for clear intent to be
shown, the accused must have had knowledge that they were crossing an international border, that the accused did not have authorization to enter the country they
were attempting to enter, and that the accused did so out of their own free will and not under duress or coercion. These definitions shall apply to both groups of
persons traveling unlawfully together (known as a caravan) or individual alien persons.
2. Tampering shall include, but is not limited to;
- Encouraging, directly or indirectly, an unlawful caravan to attempt to, or to unlawfully enter, the territory of another sovereign nation
- Failing to take adequate steps to prevent the movement of an unlawful caravan or alien persons, which puts the borders of another sovereign nation at risk
- Providing aid and comfort to persons trying to unlawfully enter the territory of another nation
3. Borders shall be defined as:
- Land where a nation has legal, military, and civic control.
- Military control (e.g. checkpoints, military bases, etc.)
4. Legal control is where a nation‘s police force and court system is able to adequately operate, while civic control is where the political apparatus of a nation is operationally effective.

The World Assembly affirms:
- That the World Assembly has the fundamental right to dictate matters of borders as they are of an international concern, and borders must be maintained as per the requirements listed in this resolution
- That borders are fundamental to the security of a free state,

The World Assembly hereby orders:
1. All member states must work with the nations they border to ensure that caravans are not allowed to enter their nation on route to another. This shall be overseen by the World Assembly Border Intregrity Commission. The commission will ensure that all nation states are fulfilling their requirements as prescribed by this resolution, and that nations must take all reasonable steps to protect their borders. Reasonable steps shall include, but are not limited to:
- Increasing law-enforcement capacity around border crossings and entry points
- Sending military personnel
2. All other member states must not take actions that harm the border security of a fellow member state, which shall include but is not limited to:
- Allowing caravans to unlawfully cross their borders with the clear intention of entering another nation
- Failing to maintain one’s own border
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Resolution Resubmitted

Postby PineneedleProject » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:33 pm

The resolution has been resubmitted, with the issues corrected, here is the link to show your support: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1648755067

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:35 pm

PineneedleProject wrote:The resolution has been resubmitted, with the issues corrected, here is the link to show your support: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1648755067

You haven't even bothered to make any meaningful corrections. This is your third attempt yet you think you'll do better this time than your prior failed attempts.
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Postby PineneedleProject » Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:37 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
PineneedleProject wrote:The resolution has been resubmitted, with the issues corrected, here is the link to show your support: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1648755067

You haven't even bothered to make any meaningful corrections. This is your third attempt yet you think you'll do better this time than your prior failed attempts.


The issue that I corrected in line with GenSec ruling was that the resolution applied to non member states. So I have made meaningful corrections.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:17 pm

PineneedleProject wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:You haven't even bothered to make any meaningful corrections. This is your third attempt yet you think you'll do better this time than your prior failed attempts.


The issue that I corrected in line with GenSec ruling was that the resolution applied to non member states. So I have made meaningful corrections.

You only made a correction regarding the legality of your proposal. You have done nothing to improve the quality of your proposal.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:32 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
PineneedleProject wrote:
The issue that I corrected in line with GenSec ruling was that the resolution applied to non member states. So I have made meaningful corrections.

You only made a correction regarding the legality of your proposal. You have done nothing to improve the quality of your proposal.

I don't think quality was ever the aim. It has a likeness to the Fox News (fake news) scare-stories of whatever caravan they've made up over the years, a deeply racist dogwhistle when Republican voters had to be mobilised.


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Postby The Feld » Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:27 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:You only made a correction regarding the legality of your proposal. You have done nothing to improve the quality of your proposal.

I don't think quality was ever the aim. It has a likeness to the Fox News (fake news) scare-stories of whatever caravan they've made up over the years, a deeply racist dogwhistle when Republican voters had to be mobilised.


Are we not supposed to concern ourselves with these threats at the borders, these bad actors regardless of ethnicity who seek to be unlawful, if not illegal immigrants? I fully support protecting the integrity of each individual nation state within the World Assembly, and by requiring proper maintenance and protection, there won't be as severe a threat as these invaders anymore.

My only concern is the vagueness of this resolution, and how it allows for nations to do the bare minimum, creating weak points within the World Assembly.

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Postby Attempted Socialism » Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:53 am

The Feld wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:I don't think quality was ever the aim. It has a likeness to the Fox News (fake news) scare-stories of whatever caravan they've made up over the years, a deeply racist dogwhistle when Republican voters had to be mobilised.


Are we not supposed to concern ourselves with these threats at the borders, these bad actors regardless of ethnicity who seek to be unlawful, if not illegal immigrants? I fully support protecting the integrity of each individual nation state within the World Assembly, and by requiring proper maintenance and protection, there won't be as severe a threat as these invaders anymore.

My only concern is the vagueness of this resolution, and how it allows for nations to do the bare minimum, creating weak points within the World Assembly.

Well, no. The "threats" are made up, and it's frankly obvious that this resolution borrows heavily from the Fox News "reporting" that they invent whole-cloth each time they need to blow their racist dogwhistle. We could also make a shitty resolution forbidding dragons from burning down cities and iron thrones in bad plot twists, it would be just as relevant to reality.


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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:37 am

The Feld wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:I don't think quality was ever the aim. It has a likeness to the Fox News (fake news) scare-stories of whatever caravan they've made up over the years, a deeply racist dogwhistle when Republican voters had to be mobilised.


Are we not supposed to concern ourselves with these threats at the borders, these bad actors regardless of ethnicity who seek to be unlawful, if not illegal immigrants? I fully support protecting the integrity of each individual nation state within the World Assembly, and by requiring proper maintenance and protection, there won't be as severe a threat as these invaders anymore.

My only concern is the vagueness of this resolution, and how it allows for nations to do the bare minimum, creating weak points within the World Assembly.

It's not a good proposal at all and the author hasn't listened to feedback at all.
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Postby PineneedleProject » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:54 pm

The Feld wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:I don't think quality was ever the aim. It has a likeness to the Fox News (fake news) scare-stories of whatever caravan they've made up over the years, a deeply racist dogwhistle when Republican voters had to be mobilised.


Are we not supposed to concern ourselves with these threats at the borders, these bad actors regardless of ethnicity who seek to be unlawful, if not illegal immigrants? I fully support protecting the integrity of each individual nation state within the World Assembly, and by requiring proper maintenance and protection, there won't be as severe a threat as these invaders anymore.

My only concern is the vagueness of this resolution, and how it allows for nations to do the bare minimum, creating weak points within the World Assembly.


How can I make the resolution less vague?

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:05 am

PineneedleProject wrote:
The Feld wrote:
Are we not supposed to concern ourselves with these threats at the borders, these bad actors regardless of ethnicity who seek to be unlawful, if not illegal immigrants? I fully support protecting the integrity of each individual nation state within the World Assembly, and by requiring proper maintenance and protection, there won't be as severe a threat as these invaders anymore.

My only concern is the vagueness of this resolution, and how it allows for nations to do the bare minimum, creating weak points within the World Assembly.


How can I make the resolution less vague?

For one, actually listen to feedback and work on making your definitions and clauses more clear in what they are supposed to do.
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