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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:49 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Araraukar wrote:"Exactly what do you mean by "frustrate" here? Laws are not entities that could feel frustration."

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/ˈfrəstrāt/
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verb: frustrate; 3rd person present: frustrates; past tense: frustrated; past participle: frustrated; gerund or present participle: frustrating
prevent (a plan or attempted action) from progressing, succeeding, or being fulfilled.
"his attempt to frustrate the merger"

"While this is all easily understood, I do have a lingering concern that this terminology could have...unforeseen consequences."
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Postby Sciongrad » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:17 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Bell taps on a touchscreen to bring up a projector and types 'frustrate' into a search bar.
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frus·trate
/ˈfrəstrāt/
verb
verb: frustrate; 3rd person present: frustrates; past tense: frustrated; past participle: frustrated; gerund or present participle: frustrating
prevent (a plan or attempted action) from progressing, succeeding, or being fulfilled.
"his attempt to frustrate the merger"

"While this is all easily understood, I do have a lingering concern that this terminology could have...unforeseen consequences."

Such as?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:35 pm

Support. Clause 8 gives me an excuse to repeal NAPA on the grounds that there are no more nukes to keep out of the wrong hands 8)
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Postby The New Sicilian State » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:45 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Support. Clause 8 gives me an excuse to repeal NAPA on the grounds that there are no more nukes to keep out of the wrong hands 8)

“But if this is repealed and all the nukes un-explode, wouldn’t that be an issue?”
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:50 pm

The New Sicilian State wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Support. Clause 8 gives me an excuse to repeal NAPA on the grounds that there are no more nukes to keep out of the wrong hands 8)

“But if this is repealed and all the nukes un-explode, wouldn’t that be an issue?”

"Sounds like an excellent excuse to repeal Repeal GAR#10."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 05, 2020 6:45 pm

Bump

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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Oct 05, 2020 9:46 pm

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:20 pm

OOC: Edits made

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 11, 2020 10:00 am

Bump

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:31 am

Ooc: since PoWO got feedback and this didn't, this gets a promotion on my submission queue. I intend to submit Thursday or Friday. Possibly with another proposal.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:08 am

OOC: I submitted this, as there has been no feedback. I assume that means there are no flaws.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:50 am

Something's missing here :P
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:28 am

Tinhampton wrote:Something's missing here :P

"Not missing. Invisible."

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Postby Merni » Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:32 am

OOC
Separatist Peoples wrote:5. The International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee will:
  1. Liaise with both military and civilian authorities within an occupied territory;
  2. Independently inspect occupying operations;

  3. Provide guidance, technical expertise, and aid for occupied civilian populations; and

  4. Report violations directly to the World Assembly Compliance Commission.

6. Member states must consider any serious or systematic breach of § 5, either intentionally, through gross negligence, or nonfeasance, a war crime and prosecute violators accordingly.


7. Member states need not treat isolated and de minimis violations as war crimes, provided they are reasonably redressed and do not continue.

So... member states must treat violations by the IHACC as war crimes? How would the IHACC even commit violations? Clause 6 evidently meant to refer to clause 4.

Also:
Rejecting military success and profiteering as the penultimate goals of an occupation;

Penultimate = second to last. Ultimate = last.
Edit: OOC
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:20 am

Merni wrote:OOC
Separatist Peoples wrote:5. The International Humanitarian Aid Coordination Committee will:
  1. Liaise with both military and civilian authorities within an occupied territory;
  2. Independently inspect occupying operations;

  3. Provide guidance, technical expertise, and aid for occupied civilian populations; and

  4. Report violations directly to the World Assembly Compliance Commission.

6. Member states must consider any serious or systematic breach of § 5, either intentionally, through gross negligence, or nonfeasance, a war crime and prosecute violators accordingly.


7. Member states need not treat isolated and de minimis violations as war crimes, provided they are reasonably redressed and do not continue.

So... member states must treat violations by the IHACC as war crimes? How would the IHACC even commit violations? Clause 6 evidently meant to refer to clause 4.

Also:
Rejecting military success and profiteering as the penultimate goals of an occupation;

Penultimate = second to last. Ultimate = last.
Edit: OOC



Always good to have these noted after it reaches quorum.

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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:53 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Merni wrote:OOC

So... member states must treat violations by the IHACC as war crimes? How would the IHACC even commit violations? Clause 6 evidently meant to refer to clause 4.

Also:

Penultimate = second to last. Ultimate = last.
Edit: OOC



Always good to have these noted after it reaches quorum.

To be fair, I pointed the Article 6 fuckup out on #snakes-on-a-wa two days ago (IRL CDSP time), lol :P
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Postby Merni » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:43 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Merni wrote:OOC

So... member states must treat violations by the IHACC as war crimes? How would the IHACC even commit violations? Clause 6 evidently meant to refer to clause 4.

Also:

Penultimate = second to last. Ultimate = last.
Edit: OOC



Always good to have these noted after it reaches quorum.

You're lucky it hadn't reached vote yet. "Perfect draft", much? :p
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:53 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:

Always good to have these noted after it reaches quorum.

To be fair, I pointed the Article 6 fuckup out on #snakes-on-a-wa two days ago (IRL CDSP time), lol :P

Ooc not really. Pointing it out is more than a vauge comment.

Merni wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:

Always good to have these noted after it reaches quorum.

You're lucky it hadn't reached vote yet. "Perfect draft", much? :p


Ooc: I think you may have missed the tongue in cheek tone I used. That was in response to absolutely no comments. I was hoping it would goad somebody into finding a flaw!
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:45 am

Ooc: correction made. Now, is there something problematic hiding in this draft still? If I submit it, will somebody note it before I campaign or after?

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Postby The New Nordic Union » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:25 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: correction made. Now, is there something problematic hiding in this draft still? If I submit it, will somebody note it before I campaign or after?


OOC: The most miniscule of cosmetic corrections, but “Military efforts’ should have either double or single quotes, not the mix.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:21 am

The New Nordic Union wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: correction made. Now, is there something problematic hiding in this draft still? If I submit it, will somebody note it before I campaign or after?


OOC: The most miniscule of cosmetic corrections, but “Military efforts’ should have either double or single quotes, not the mix.

Ooc: I am all about miniscule corrections! Make ten thousand of them. Thank you for posting them prior to submission!

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