[DRAFT] Reproductive Freedoms II: Abortion Boogaloo

[Wallenburg]

On the off-chance that pigs grow wings and a repeal of RF passes:

Reproductive Freedoms

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Category: Civil Rights || Strength: Significant || Proposed by: Wallenburg

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Recognizing the bodily sovereignty of all individuals,

Believing that the reproductive choices of individuals belong to each individual alone,

Rejecting the oppressive goals of several member states set against individuals' right to terminate a pregnancy,

The World Assembly hereby:

1. Defines "termination of pregnancy" as any medical procedure or medicine with the purpose of ending a pregnancy, not including childbirth,
   
   
2. Guarantees all individuals within the jurisdiction of member states the right to seek and obtain a termination of pregnancy,
   
   
3. Prohibits member states from proscribing health professionals from providing a termination of pregnancy, and requires member states to allow such professionals to work for or operate services providing a termination of pregnancy, within the confines of active World Assembly legislation,
   
   
4. Limits regulation of such services to protection of the health and safety of the individuals seeking termination of pregnancy and those providing the service, and prohibits regulations on the facilities providing these services that do not promote the health and safety of those in the facility, or that do not serve to enforce laws unrelated to termination of pregnancy,
   
   
5. Requires member states to protect those who seek a termination of pregnancy and those who provide such services from harassment and violence, and to thoroughly investigate attacks on facilities providing termination of pregnancies in order to identify and prosecute the attackers.

[Kenmoria]

“This looks very good, and has my full support, though I can’t see a need for it given he impossibility of repealing #286.”

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Prussia-Poland will hereby take great delight in joining the WA simply so we may flout this bill.
All those attempting to facilitate abortion, whether by leaving the country, or performing them, will be summarily executed without trial.

[Araraukar]

"So induced birth in the abortive sense - well before the fetus is viable to survive outside the womb - does not count as abortion?"

[Kenmoria]

Prussia-Poland will hereby take great delight in joining the WA simply so we may flout this bill.
All those attempting to facilitate abortion, whether by leaving the country, or performing them, will be summarily executed without trial.

(OOC: Don’t do that. It is considered poor roleplaying to simply ignore GA resolutions without considering the effects of the resultant fines.)

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

Prussia-Poland will hereby take great delight in joining the WA simply so we may flout this bill.
All those attempting to facilitate abortion, whether by leaving the country, or performing them, will be summarily executed without trial.

(OOC: Don’t do that. It is considered poor roleplaying to simply ignore GA resolutions without considering the effects of the resultant fines.)

(OOC: You really think I didn't consider that? Any country would get condemned and sanctioned to hell and back for doing what I did IRL.)

[Wallenburg]

"So induced birth in the abortive sense - well before the fetus is viable to survive outside the womb - does not count as abortion?"

"I'm not sure how to deal with that. The explicit removal of labor and delivery from the definition is intended to prevent dishonest member states from pretending that live childbirth upon reaching full term counts as an abortion."

[Reichsstaaten von Germania]

“Abortion is a sin and a waste of potentional...we Germans have no need for abortions as we have extensive child care and adoptions agencies and personally take the murder of a small child as a travesty”

-Kaiser Konrad I von Volkheim

[Polish Prussian Commonwealth]

“Abortion is a sin and a waste of potentional...we Germans have no need for abortions as we have extensive child care and adoptions agencies and personally take the murder of a small child as a travesty”

-Kaiser Konrad I von Volkheim

"Shush! Don't speak too loud, lest you get mugged by one of those pro-choice types!"
-Kaiser Crassus von Hohenzollern-Jagiellon

[The New Nordic Union]

“Abortion is a sin and a waste of potentional...we Germans have no need for abortions as we have extensive child care and adoptions agencies and personally take the murder of a small child as a travesty”

-Kaiser Konrad I von Volkheim

Prussia-Poland will hereby take great delight in joining the WA simply so we may flout this bill.
All those attempting to facilitate abortion, whether by leaving the country, or performing them, will be summarily executed without trial.

'You are aware of the fact that this proposal is just a replacement for the highly unlikely case that GAR#286, Reproductive Freedoms, is actually repealed, are you not? And since GAR#286 is still in force (and, for that matter, #128), there is no need for talk like this in the chambers right now.'

– Katrin við Keldu, Permanent Representative of the Nordic Union to the World Assembly

[Araraukar]

"So induced birth in the abortive sense - well before the fetus is viable to survive outside the womb - does not count as abortion?"

"I'm not sure how to deal with that. The explicit removal of labor and delivery from the definition is intended to prevent dishonest member states from pretending that live childbirth upon reaching full term counts as an abortion."

"Perhaps wording it as "excluding childbirth, induced or not, when not used for the express purpose of terminating the pregnancy". That way induced childbirth that is sometimes necessary to give birth safely wouldn't count as abortion, nor would uninduced childbirth that is the end result of the normal progress of a pregnancy. I mean, when the purpose of childbirth is to give birth to a child, it's childbirth, not abortion, but when birthing an intact fetus is used to specifically terminate the pregnancy, it should count as abortion, regardless of the method."

[The New Nordic Union]

"I'm not sure how to deal with that. The explicit removal of labor and delivery from the definition is intended to prevent dishonest member states from pretending that live childbirth upon reaching full term counts as an abortion."

"Perhaps wording it as "excluding childbirth, induced or not, when not used for the express purpose of terminating the pregnancy". That way induced childbirth that is sometimes necessary to give birth safely wouldn't count as abortion, nor would uninduced childbirth that is the end result of the normal progress of a pregnancy. I mean, when the purpose of childbirth is to give birth to a child, it's childbirth, not abortion, but when birthing an intact fetus is used to specifically terminate the pregnancy, it should count as abortion, regardless of the method."

'But is induced childbirth not conducted with express intent to terminate the pregnancy? After all, the pregnancy ends, hence, terminates, with or just after (induced) childbirth.

Also, would the definition proposed not be circular, as it is trying to define "termination of pregnancy" by using the terms "terminating the pregnancy"?'

– Katrin við Keldu, Permanent Representative of the Nordic Union to the World Assembly

[Araraukar]

'But is induced childbirth not conducted with express intent to terminate the pregnancy? After all, the pregnancy ends, hence, terminates, with or just after (induced) childbirth.

"No. Childbirth for the purposes of extracting a living child at the end of a pregnancy is very much different from induced childbirth for the purposes of causing the death of the fetus - or the removal of a fetus that is already dead - aka an abortion. Hence the need for an added definition."

[The New Nordic Union]

'But is induced childbirth not conducted with express intent to terminate the pregnancy? After all, the pregnancy ends, hence, terminates, with or just after (induced) childbirth.

"No. Childbirth for the purposes of extracting a living child at the end of a pregnancy is very much different from induced childbirth for the purposes of causing the death of the fetus - or the removal of a fetus that is already dead - aka an abortion. Hence the need for an added definition."

'We are aware of the differences, we just are not sure if those differences really lie in the definition of the term 'terminating', since the pregnancy ends either way.'

[Araraukar]

'We are aware of the differences, we just are not sure if those differences really lie in the definition of the term 'terminating', since the pregnancy ends either way.'

"Traditionally "terminating" refers to abortion, not normal end of pregnancy."

[Kranostav]

Why are we poking the abortion bear? I thought this topic was fairly dead, yet you seem to draft a possible replacement for shits and giggles?

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: Don’t do that. It is considered poor roleplaying to simply ignore GA resolutions without considering the effects of the resultant fines.)

(OOC: You really think I didn't consider that? Any country would get condemned and sanctioned to hell and back for doing what I did IRL.)

(OOC: Okay, as long as the effects are actually considered. Too many players just completely ignore GA resolutions for the sake of being irritating.)

“Abortion is a sin and a waste of potentional...we Germans have no need for abortions as we have extensive child care and adoptions agencies and personally take the murder of a small child as a travesty”

-Kaiser Konrad I von Volkheim

“I think you need to have a look at GA #286, which bans the prohibition of abortion, ambassador.”

[Wallenburg]

Why are we poking the abortion bear? I thought this topic was fairly dead, yet you seem to draft a possible replacement for shits and giggles?

Because it's Tuesday.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I only really want Sierra Lyricalia's replacement.

[Fecaw]

"For clause 4, why is only the health and safety of "the individuals seeking termination of pregnancy and those providing the service" regulated? We are completely against this anyway due to clause 2 and 3, which I assume are critical to the resolution."

[Araraukar]

"For clause 4, why is only the health and safety of "the individuals seeking termination of pregnancy and those providing the service" regulated?"

"Because that's the only thing that matters?"

[Wallenburg]

"For clause 4, why is only the health and safety of "the individuals seeking termination of pregnancy and those providing the service" regulated? We are completely against this anyway due to clause 2 and 3, which I assume are critical to the resolution."

That's not quite what's going on. This would apply no regulations on abortion services or facilities whatsoever. It would only allow the few regulations that I have made allowances for.

[Calamari]

No mention of restrictions on the terminations here.

Would this allow people to terminate a pregnancy by abortion mere hours before the due date? If so, severely against.

[Araraukar]

Would this allow people to terminate a pregnancy by abortion mere hours before the due date? If so, severely against.

OOC: ...what's this magical device of yours that can predict the time of birth with the accuracy of a few hours?

[Separatist Peoples]

Would this allow people to terminate a pregnancy by abortion mere hours before the due date? If so, severely against.

OOC: ...what's this magical device of yours that can predict the time of birth with the accuracy of a few hours?

Ooc: The wonder of modern chemistry, PFM.