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[Draft] The Cloning Conventions | Second Drafting

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The Cloning Conventions
Category: Health | Area of Effect: Bioethics | Proposed by: La Navasse


Disturbed by the lack of legislation concerning biological clones;

Aware that many nations with biological engineering have the ability to clone organisms;

In awe of the vast potential biological clones have to improve the society & livelihood of their respective nations;

Resolute in the belief that certain precautions must be exercised in regards to biological cloning;

The World Assembly hereby:

  1. Defines a clone for any organism as a genetically identical, artificially produced copy of a single individual, the originator;

    1. Defines a clone that is genetically altered not to great extent as a clone as defined in this resolution;

  2. Excludes, for the purposes of this resolution, any artificially produced but genetically identical or genetically altered copy of any originator that can asexually reproduce for the intentions of having offspring, the naturally reproduced descendant of an originator, due to an inability to realistically naturally reproduce asexually or sexually, from being defined as a clone, and defines them as offspring instead;

  3. Grants all clones the same rights as their originator’s species, regardless of any disabilities resulting from a failed cloning;

  4. Restricts all cloning to only be done by qualified biomedical personnel, or qualified veterinary personnel in collaboration with qualified biomedical personnel;

    1. Restricts the cloning of sapient organisms only to originators who fully consent to being cloned;

  5. Permits the cloning of unconscious, unfeeling organisms from sapient originators, where the clones themselves do not have any sapience and have been proven to not be in locked-in syndrome, for biomedical experimentation and use;

  6. Bans the cloning of conscious, feeling organisms from sapient originators for biomedical experimentation and use, and of any cloning of any sapient originator if the medical professionals who clone cannot reliably confirm, with a high degree of confidence, that the clone is not suffering from locked-in syndrome or any related disability;

  7. Reserves for all sapient clones the right to know the origin of their genetic material at their national legal age of consent unless the clonal parent requests otherwise;

  8. Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient provided that they are not created for the express intent to cause harm to sapient organisms;

  9. Authorizes and actively encourages nations to share cloning technology;

  10. Reserves for all WA member-states the right to legislate on the legal methods of cloning as laid out by this resolution and on anything regarding organ cloning;

  11. Assigns the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.


The Cloning Conventions
Category: Health | Area of Effect: Bioethics | Proposed by: La Navasse


Disturbed by the lack of legislation concerning biological clones;

Aware that many nations with biological engineering have the ability to clone organisms;

In awe of the vast potential biological clones have to improve the society & livelihood of their respective nations;

Resolute in the belief that certain precautions must be exercised in regards to biological cloning;

The World Assembly hereby:

  1. Defines a clone for any organism as a genetically identical or a genetically altered, artificially produced copy of a single naturally born individual, the originator;

    1. Defines organ cloning as artificially creating a genetically identical or a genetically altered organ from an originator’s genetic information;

  2. Excludes, for the purposes of this resolution, any artificially produced but genetically identical or genetically altered copy of any originator that can asexually reproduce for the intentions of having offspring, the naturally reproduced descendant of an originator, due to an inability to realistically naturally reproduce asexually or sexually, from being defined as a clone, and defines them as an offspring instead;

  3. Grants all clones the same rights as their originator’s species, regardless of any disabilities resulting from a failed cloning;

  4. Restricts all cloning to only be done by qualified biomedical personnel, or qualified veterinary personnel in collaboration with qualified biomedical personnel;

    1. Restricts the cloning of sapient organisms only to originators who fully consent to being cloned;

  5. Permits the cloning of unconscious, unfeeling organisms from sapient originators, where the clones themselves do not have any sapience and have been proven to not be in locked-in syndrome, for biomedical experimentation and use;

  6. Bans the cloning of conscious, feeling organisms from sapient originators for biomedical experimentation and use, and of any cloning of any sapient originator if the medical professionals who clone cannot reliably confirm, with a high degree of confidence, that the clone is not suffering from locked-in syndrome or any related disability;

  7. Reserves for all sapient clones the right to know the origin of their genetic material at their national legal age of consent unless the clonal parent requests otherwise;

  8. Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient provided that they do not cause harm to sapient organisms;

  9. Authorizes and actively encourages nations to share cloning technology;

  10. Reserves for all WA member-states the right to legislate on the legal methods of cloning as laid out by this resolution and on anything regarding organ cloning;

  11. Assigns the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.


The Cloning Conventions
Category: Health | Area of Effect: Bioethics | Proposed by: La Navasse


The General Assembly,

Defines a clone for any organism as a genetically identical or a genetically altered, artificially produced copy of a single naturally born individual, the originator;

Defines organ cloning as artificially creating a genetically identical or a genetically altered organ from an originator’s genetic information;

Excludes
, for the purposes of this resolution, any artificially produced but genetically identical or genetically altered copy of any originator that can asexually reproduce for the intentions of having offspring, the naturally reproduced descendant of an originator, due to an inability to realistically naturally reproduce asexually or sexually, from being defined as a clone, and defines them as an offspring instead;

Grants all clones the same rights as their originator’s species, regardless of any disabilities resulting from a failed cloning;

Restricts all cloning to only be done by qualified biomedical personnel, or qualified veterinary personnel in collaboration with qualified biomedical personnel;

Restricts the cloning of sapient organisms only to originators who fully consent to being cloned;

Permits the cloning of unconscious, unfeeling organisms from sapient originators, where the clones themselves do not have any sapience and have been proven to not be in locked-in syndrome, for biomedical experimentation and use;

Bans the cloning of conscious, feeling organisms from sapient originators for biomedical experimentation and use, and of any cloning of any sapient originator if the medical professionals who clone cannot reliably confirm, with a high degree of confidence, that the clone is not suffering from locked-in syndrome or any related disability;

Reserves for all sapient clones the right to know the origin of their genetic material at their national legal age of consent;

Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient;

Authorizes and actively encourages nations to share cloning technology;

Reserves for all WA member-states the right to legislate on the legal methods of cloning as laid out by this resolution and on anything regarding organ cloning;

Assigns to the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.

This is simply the third, unchanged final draft from the previously failed proposal, which can be seen here. I plan to further develop this draft with the criticism received previously. Additional constructive criticism for this version is welcome.
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"There is no pre-amble of any sort, which means that GA members have no idea why to vote for this proposal if it reaches quorum."
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Postby Masurbia » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:24 am

La Navasse wrote:Reserves for all sapient clones the right to know the origin of their genetic material at their national legal age of consent;

This is what I noticed just by skimming the proposal, but is this basically just saying the clones gets to know who they were cloned of? And I also restate what Kenmoria said, if you want more voters, organize your proposal a little bit neater without such a big list.
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Postby The First German Order » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:42 am

OOC: What if a nation's entire population is clones of their leader?
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Postby Edreland » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:50 am

"We should not legislate on cloning. Leave it to the member states. If they want to completely ban it on moral and ethical grounds it is their right to do so."
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"Oh, here's the re-draft you were talking about. But you must note that if a proposal doesn't pass the first time, there's a high chance that a second proposal won't pass also. That's what happened when we tried to liberate Westphalia. However, if you make your arguments convincing enough, there's a glimmer of hope that your proposal would pass. Keep trying!"
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:32 pm

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I maintain my suggestions from the last time, if you're still planning on trying this.
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Edreland wrote:"We should not legislate on cloning. Leave it to the member states. If they want to completely ban it on moral and ethical grounds it is their right to do so."

"I agreee with this. The protections awarded under the Charter of Civil Rights to all sapient members of a nation are enough for clones given the ambiguity and complexity of the issue. This really should be better left to member states."
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Postby Merni » Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:32 am

OOC:

Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient;

Reckless cloning of a predator might upset the balance of an ecosystem. This could also be construed to include micro-organisms which cause diseases, especially those which have been eradicated (but whose causal organisms are still kept as scientific samples, for example smallpox)

Assigns the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.

It should be "Assigns to...", not "Assigns..."
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Postby La Navasse » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:04 am

As I've returned, I'm going forward with this proposal and I welcome any constructive criticism.
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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:11 am

Merni wrote:OOC:

Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient;

Reckless cloning of a predator might upset the balance of an ecosystem. This could also be construed to include micro-organisms which cause diseases, especially those which have been eradicated (but whose causal organisms are still kept as scientific samples, for example smallpox)

Good point! This could let nations "accidentally" breach the GA ban on biological weapons...
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:17 pm

La Navasse wrote:Reserves for all sapient clones the right to know the origin of their genetic material at their national legal age of consent.

"The World Assembly should not intrude on the privacy of the clonal parent in such a manner."
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Postby Marshite Ponies » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:50 pm

“I am Ambassador Twilight Sparkle and I am here to explain the Republic of Akila's opposition to this proposal. The Republic has no animus against cloning and believes it can be useful in a variety of fields for a variety of causes. However, it opposes this resolution on a few grounds.

First, it permits and allows cloning, in effect legalizing the entire process even with restrictions. This forces nations with ethical or moral concerns and objections to the practice in its entirety to allow for it, which considering the nature of the activity, is an unwarranted breach of national rights.

Secondly, it goes to great lengths to assign rights to clones, yet clones would have by international law the rights afforded to them by the Charter of Civil Rights.

Third, while it recognizes correctly that cloning must be undertaken by trained professionals in their field, the limitation of 'biomedical' and 'veterinary' is not necessarily required and is limiting. Our nation, for example, uses methods of cloning that are entirely different than the methods prescribed here. A change of wording to reflect the need for trained experts while not singling out anything might suffice. 'Restricts all cloning to only be done by qualified experts in the field of whichever method of cloning is being undertaken' might aid your case, at least vis a vi us.

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:54 pm

La Navasse wrote:As I've returned, I'm going forward with this proposal and I welcome any constructive criticism.

(OOC: I will reiterate that having a preamble to provide reasons for supporting this piece of legislation is a very good idea and strongly recommended. Perhaps looking at some passed resolutions could give some ideas.)
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Postby La Navasse » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:34 pm

I've edited accordingly.
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Merni wrote:OOC:

Allows the cloning of any organism that is not sapient;

Reckless cloning of a predator might upset the balance of an ecosystem. This could also be construed to include micro-organisms which cause diseases, especially those which have been eradicated (but whose causal organisms are still kept as scientific samples, for example smallpox)

Good point! This could let nations "accidentally" breach the GA ban on biological weapons...

I've decided to prevent clones without sapience from harming sapient organisms, but I'll leave it up to nations to decide whether they'll allow clones to proliferate in certain ecosystems or not.
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Postby Wrapper » Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:16 am

OOC: So if Dolly the sheep bites her handler because, while shearing her, he got a little to close for comfort with a sharp object, has an international law been broken? You need to reconsider or at least reword this.

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“I find issue with your first definition, in that it states that a clone cloned from a clone is not, according to it, a clone, granting them none of the protection afforded by this proposal. I recommend removing the ‘natural born’ part of that clause.”
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:27 pm

La Navasse wrote:Defines a clone for any organism as a genetically identical or a genetically altered, artificially produced copy of a single naturally born individual, the originator;

OOC: If it's been genetically altered, it's no longer a clone. A clone, in biology, is something that is genetically identical. If you want to ban/restrict vat-grown people or whatever terminology your particular brand of RP wants to use, then address that, don't try to call them clones when they aren't.

Also, why exactly would you think that the current resolutions about human/sapient rights that exist for GA, would not apply to clones?

Kenmoria wrote:“I find issue with your first definition, in that it states that a clone cloned from a clone is not, according to it, a clone, granting them none of the protection afforded by this proposal. I recommend removing the ‘natural born’ part of that clause.”

IC: "Nevermind clones of clones, the "naturally born" bit means that if you were born via an abdominal surgery instead of getting squeezed through the birthing canal, a clone made of you would not be a clone."

La Navasse wrote:I've decided to prevent clones without sapience from harming sapient organisms

OOC: HOW???
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Postby Kenmoria » Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:59 pm

“You define ‘organ cloning’, but use it only in a clause that allows the practice. As organ cloning is already allowed, seeing as there is no WA resolution prohibiting it, I find the definition somewhat unnecessary, as the concept is not central to the proposal nor particularly difficult to understand. Clause 10 itself is fine, I just find 1a extraneous.”
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Postby La Navasse » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:00 pm

Wrapper wrote:OOC: So if Dolly the sheep bites her handler because, while shearing her, he got a little to close for comfort with a sharp object, has an international law been broken? You need to reconsider or at least reword this.
I've reworded the draft accordingly.

Kenmoria wrote:“I find issue with your first definition, in that it states that a clone cloned from a clone is not, according to it, a clone, granting them none of the protection afforded by this proposal. I recommend removing the ‘natural born’ part of that clause.”
Acknowledged and edited accordingly.

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La Navasse wrote:Defines a clone for any organism as a genetically identical or a genetically altered, artificially produced copy of a single naturally born individual, the originator;

OOC: If it's been genetically altered, it's no longer a clone. A clone, in biology, is something that is genetically identical. If you want to ban/restrict vat-grown people or whatever terminology your particular brand of RP wants to use, then address that, don't try to call them clones when they aren't.

Also, why exactly would you think that the current resolutions about human/sapient rights that exist for GA, would not apply to clones?

Kenmoria wrote:“I find issue with your first definition, in that it states that a clone cloned from a clone is not, according to it, a clone, granting them none of the protection afforded by this proposal. I recommend removing the ‘natural born’ part of that clause.”

IC: "Nevermind clones of clones, the "naturally born" bit means that if you were born via an abdominal surgery instead of getting squeezed through the birthing canal, a clone made of you would not be a clone."

La Navasse wrote:I've decided to prevent clones without sapience from harming sapient organisms

OOC: HOW???
I redid Clause 1a to clarify what I meant in regards to genetically altered clones. I was concerned that without the specification of cloned individuals, that clones would not be included in the legislation of their originator, and thus The Cloning Conventions were created to ensure this inclusion. Finally, the natural born problem has been addressed, and the last Clause addresses how the resolution will be enforced.

Kenmoria wrote:“You define ‘organ cloning’, but use it only in a clause that allows the practice. As organ cloning is already allowed, seeing as there is no WA resolution prohibiting it, I find the definition somewhat unnecessary, as the concept is not central to the proposal nor particularly difficult to understand. Clause 10 itself is fine, I just find 1a extraneous.”
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:21 pm

Araraukar wrote:
La Navasse wrote:I've decided to prevent clones without sapience from harming sapient organisms

OOC: HOW???

Well, Navasse, your statements pointed at this section are non-responsive. What is this so-called mechanism? And can I use it to end unlawful killings as well?

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Postby La Navasse » Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:52 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: HOW???

Well, Navasse, your statements pointed at this section are non-responsive. What is this so-called mechanism? And can I use it to end unlawful killings as well?


11. Assigns the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:07 am

La Navasse wrote:11. Assigns the World Assembly Scientific Programme the duties of overlooking cloning for biomedical research and use to ensure their accordance with this resolution and the promotion of the sharing of cloning technology.

OOC: How does that stop non-sapient things hurting sapient things? A dog biting a man, for example.
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