[PASSED] Ban on Ritual Sacrifice

[Slavonia and Srijem]

Ambassador thinks Religious issue such as this isn't an international issue but rather member states justice domain, Opposed.

"This isn't a religious issue. This proposal is about a barbaric ritual that must be stopped."

"To us this is actually religious issue, because mostly this ritual happen in honor of God(s), and every member state should deal with it alone, there are member nations that are primitive and that is their culture to sacrifice people, we do not support it but we cannot deny them the right with one resolution, as i said, this is religious issue and this resolution should be compromise, not a Ban".

[Separatist Peoples]

"This isn't a religious issue. This proposal is about a barbaric ritual that must be stopped."

"To us this is actually religious issue, because mostly this ritual happen in honor of God(s), and every member state should deal with it alone, there are member nations that are primitive and that is their culture to sacrifice people, we do not support it but we cannot deny them the right with one resolution, as i said, this is religious issue and this resolution should be compromise, not a Ban".

"Organized religion deserves no compromise."

[Willania Imperium]

"This isn't a religious issue. This proposal is about a barbaric ritual that must be stopped."

"To us this is actually religious issue, because mostly this ritual happen in honor of God(s), and every member state should deal with it alone, there are member nations that are primitive and that is their culture to sacrifice people, we do not support it but we cannot deny them the right with one resolution, as i said, this is religious issue and this resolution should be compromise, not a Ban".

"A barbaric practice deserves no compromise then the ending of this malevolent and backward idea. If they wish to continue it, they can leave by themselves."

[Slavonia and Srijem]

"Also i would like to mention that many member nations have isolated primitive tribes that fully enjoy ritual sacrifices, so this Ban actually don't have any effect on them, or we are trying to coerce member nations to somehow on force enforce this law on primitive nations that don't want to have anything with modern civilization?",

[Separatist Peoples]

"Also i would like to mention that many member nations have isolated primitive tribes that fully enjoy ritual sacrifices, so this Ban actually don't have any effect on them, or we are trying to coerce member nations to somehow on force enforce this law on primitive nations that don't want to have anything with modern civilization?",

"Yes."

[Willania Imperium]

"Also, I would like to mention that many member nations have isolated primitive tribes that fully enjoy ritual sacrifices. Therefore, this ban actually don't have any effect on them, or are we trying to coerce member nations to somehow enforce this law on primitive nations that don't want to have anything with modern civilization?"

"This is meant as an end to a barbaric practice that has been allowed to exist in this age and date. If they must take the necessary action to enforce this, then they will do that."

[Slavonia and Srijem]

"Also i would like to mention that many member nations have isolated primitive tribes that fully enjoy ritual sacrifices, so this Ban actually don't have any effect on them, or we are trying to coerce member nations to somehow on force enforce this law on primitive nations that don't want to have anything with modern civilization?",

"Yes."

"Yes, is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is a right approach".

[Willania Imperium]

"Yes."

"Yes, is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is a right approach".

"Eventually, time will come to push these primitive tribes into the present. Why delay it when it can be finished now? To delay it would be allowing those barbarians to continue harming the innocent, and allowing ignorance to spread. It is the right thing to force this to stop."

[Slavonia and Srijem]

"Also, I would like to mention that many member nations have isolated primitive tribes that fully enjoy ritual sacrifices. Therefore, this ban actually don't have any effect on them, or are we trying to coerce member nations to somehow enforce this law on primitive nations that don't want to have anything with modern civilization?"

"This is meant as an end to a barbaric practice that has been allowed to exist in this age and date. If they must take the necessary action to enforce this, then they will do that."

"I think they won't need if those prmitive tribes have special status and are out of civilization. We stay at opinion this is internal religious matter of every nation",

[Slavonia and Srijem]

"Yes, is your opinion, but it doesn't mean it is a right approach".

"Eventually, time will come to push these primitive tribes into the present. Why delay it when it can be finished now? To delay it would be allowing those barbarians to continue harming the innocent, and allowing ignorance to spread. It is the right thing to force this to stop."

"Yeah, but this resolution doesn't coerce member nations to do that, every nation that have those primitive tribes will contninually leave them alone(maybe)".

edit: one more reason i'm against this is ban on ritual sacrifice of animals, like really? those are animals, not human beings, (Should have mention house pets like cats, dogs, or usualy pets not unusual pets).

[Willania Imperium]

"Eventually, time will come to push these primitive tribes into the present. Why delay it when it can be finished now? To delay it would be allowing those barbarians to continue harming the innocent, and allowing ignorance to spread. It is the right thing to force this to stop."

"Yeah, but this resolution doesn't coerce member nations to do that, every nation that have those primitive tribes will contninually leave them alone(maybe)".

"The ritual sacrifice will be criminalized and banned. Therefore, it will be the duty of the law enforcement to root out any signs of that, including those within the tribes. The nation would be forced to root them out under the law."

"This is meant as an end to a barbaric practice that has been allowed to exist in this age and date. If they must take the necessary action to enforce this, then they will do that."

"I think they won't need if those prmitive tribes have special status and are out of civilization. We stay at opinion this is internal religious matter of every nation",

"You're allowed to have that opinion, Ambassador, But you'll find yourself on the raw end of the stick."

[Imperial Polk County]

"But how are we going to assure the god of volcano doesn't destroy entire villages when he is mad? How will we know the summer rains will come? What if the ocean goddess grows angry and thinks we've neglected her and therefore creates a giant wave to destroy entire islands in our archipelago?"

"Well.... Perhaps there are better ways to show your loyalty to the gods of nature than slowly reducing the number of their followers. For example. If your people are so devoted that they would be willing to make sacrifices, perhaps they could, say, sacrifice their use of conveniences that harm the environment. Like plastics. Wouldn't such a sacrifice please the gods of nature?"

[Kenmoria]

Ambassador thinks Religious issue such as this isn't an international issue but rather member states justice domain, Opposed.

"Suppose a religion mandated torture by branding iron on all children up under the age of eight. Would you support stopping that practice?"

[Slavonia and Srijem]

"Yeah, but this resolution doesn't coerce member nations to do that, every nation that have those primitive tribes will contninually leave them alone(maybe)".

"The ritual sacrifice will be criminalized and banned. Therefore, it will be the duty of the law enforcement to root out any signs of that, including those within the tribes. The nation would be forced to root them out under the law."

"I think they won't need if those prmitive tribes have special status and are out of civilization. We stay at opinion this is internal religious matter of every nation",

"You're allowed to have that opinion, Ambassador, But you'll find yourself on the raw end of the stick."

"Yes, thank you for the debate, but we can for instance make a special Law policy where such tribes are protected from law enforcement with special status (that is just an example). Law requires member nations to criminalize such acts of ritual sacrifice, but member nations can make exemptions in their juidical systems, i don't see anywhere written they can't",

[Slavonia and Srijem]

Ambassador thinks Religious issue such as this isn't an international issue but rather member states justice domain, Opposed.

"Suppose a religion mandated torture by branding iron on all children up under the age of eight. Would you support stopping that practice?"

"No if that's the approved by the mayority in one nation, thats why in our nation have Secularism where we teach people from the young age that this religious behaviour is unacceptable".

[Separatist Peoples]

"The ritual sacrifice will be criminalized and banned. Therefore, it will be the duty of the law enforcement to root out any signs of that, including those within the tribes. The nation would be forced to root them out under the law."



"You're allowed to have that opinion, Ambassador, But you'll find yourself on the raw end of the stick."

"Yes, thank you for the debate, but we can for instance make a special Law policy where such tribes are protected from law enforcement with special status (that is just an example). Law requires member nations to criminalize such acts of ritual sacrifice, but member nations can make exemptions in their juidical systems, i don't see anywhere written they can't",

"Requiring something be banned and not providing an exception is itself a clear statement that exceptions cannot be made. That is basic statutory construction."

[Willania Imperium]

"The ritual sacrifice will be criminalized and banned. Therefore, it will be the duty of the law enforcement to root out any signs of that, including those within the tribes. The nation would be forced to root them out under the law."



"You're allowed to have that opinion, Ambassador, But you'll find yourself on the raw end of the stick."

"Yes, thank you for the debate. But we can, for instance, make a special policy where such tribes are protected from law enforcement with special status (that is just an example). Law requires member nations to criminalize such acts of ritual sacrifice, but member nations can make exemptions in their judicial systems. I don't see anywhere written they can't",

"Exceptions can't be made for this. This is something that cannot be tolerated. There is no use arguing."

[Tinfect]

"Yes, thank you for the debate, but we can for instance make a special Law policy where such tribes are protected from law enforcement with special status (that is just an example). Law requires member nations to criminalize such acts of ritual sacrifice, but member nations can make exemptions in their juidical systems, i don't see anywhere written they can't",

OOC:
Now, if you actually cared about these 'primitive tribes' you wouldn't claim their settlements or what-have-you as your own territory in the first place, thus removing the 'necessity' of forming limited-sovereignty reservations to lock them all in...

[Flying Eagles]

This resolution does not address our concern of those who want to sacrifice themselves.

[Imperial Polk County]

This resolution does not address our concern of those who want to sacrifice themselves.

“Actually, yes it does. There is nothing in this proposal that bans suicidal self-sacrifice. The clause that defines ‘ritual sacrifice’ covers only the killing of ‘one or more other beings,’ and not the killing of oneself.”

[Naqil]

"Yes, thank you for the debate, but we can for instance make a special Law policy where such tribes are protected from law enforcement with special status (that is just an example). Law requires member nations to criminalize such acts of ritual sacrifice, but member nations can make exemptions in their juidical systems, i don't see anywhere written they can't",

“You can’t actually do that, because this proposal says “and prosecute perpetrators accordingly.” You can’t pull the old “it’s illegal but it doesn’t say I have to enforce the law” thing here because the Ambassador was smart enough to plug that loophole,” explains Ixhua.

She then turns to face Ambassador Drane. “I still think the proposal should allow for voluntary sacrifice, though, so don’t get too comfortable with me defending you!”

[Imperial Polk County]

She then turns to face Ambassador Drane. “I still think the proposal should allow for voluntary sacrifice, though, so don’t get too comfortable with me defending you!”

"I believe allowing for voluntary, suicidal self-sacrifice, which this proposal does permit, is a fair compromise on the issue. I do appreciate the comments from both those in favor of this proposal and those opposed to it, and I thank you for voicing your thoughtful opinions on the matter."

[Desmosthenes and Burke]

OOC: I hope to see this (and not that terrible fracking resolution) at vote on the next update.

[Wrapper]

OOC: I hope to see this (and not that terrible fracking resolution) at vote on the next update.

OOC: This one just reached quorum, but if the other one reaches quorum before the update as well, it will go first, since it was submitted first.

[United Massachusetts]

OOC: I hope to see this (and not that terrible fracking resolution) at vote on the next update.

Much appreciated, my good friend.