Nation States College Football (NSCF) Discussion Thread

[Michael VII]

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I haven't even figured out which universities are associated with which nations, and which conferences contain which teams

Thats why I chose the name "Academy of Space" for my university, so everyone would know where it is and who was responsible for it

Yeah but then again Space, how many countries IRL have a university named after their country? I haven't heard of the University of Canada or University of America or University of Chile or of that sort. Also some of us get two universities to be in charge of, we can't have two named after our nation.

Meanwhile, I have had the concept of Frbiba State, Jagoza and Jagoza State (not yet in NSCF play! ) for longer than I've been involved in NSCF play (NSCF3). So, I just made the universities have RPable football teams!

[Churchma]

Darmen, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, so hopefully you didn't take it that way. I was just surprised that you hadn't RP'd much yet. But there are other obligations on NS, and of course RL, so it's all good.

Space, I'm not trying to call you out or make you feel dumb, but Osarius has explained it before, and to be honest, it's really not that difficult to figure out which school goes with which nation. All you have to do is look at the first post of the RP Thread, look at your conference, and you'll see your competition. I've made it a little more simple for you. Click on the link below, and you'll see that The Academy of Space is a part of the Sequoia Conference.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145022

[Space]

Darmen, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, so hopefully you didn't take it that way. I was just surprised that you hadn't RP'd much yet. But there are other obligations on NS, and of course RL, so it's all good.

Space, I'm not trying to call you out or make you feel dumb, but Osarius has explained it before, and to be honest, it's really not that difficult to figure out which school goes with which nation. All you have to do is look at the first post of the RP Thread, look at your conference, and you'll see your competition. I've made it a little more simple for you. Click on the link below, and you'll see that The Academy of Space is a part of the Sequoia Conference.

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=145022

I'm well aware of where i can go to look and find out what conference I am or who the controllers of the nations of the schools are, my point being, its not particularly encouraging to RP something that has no rhyme or reason to the conferences or nation groupings.

Quite frankly, the only conference that makes sense for Space is Horizon. Also, instead of including the word University in all the scores, which is mostly redundant, just use the proper name and include the nation names.

Bucktown University 19–20 Walterton University
Frbiba State University 7–10 University of Utica
Hudson College 16–38 University of Jagoza
Touffer University 17–20 University of Arkinesia

would become

Bucktown [ARCATEA] 19–20 Walterton [IPHMOF]
Frbiba State [MICHAEL VIII] 7–10 Utica [OSARIUS]
Hudson [HOWDEELOW] 16–38 Jagoza [MICHAEL VIII]
Touffer [CIVIL CITIZENRY] 17–20 Arkinesia [ARCATEA]


Anyway, its just a suggestion. I don't really feel there is any rhyme or reason to the conference I am in and don't feel like going back to the first post in the thread every time a new result comes in to check which nation that school was from, thats why I haven't been motivated to RP every day and at least I, unlike others who haven't RPed, am still on the fence of engagement enough to post in the discussion about it. I guess the others are already lost

[Churchma]

Look back at this post and you'll clearly see that you stated, "I haven't even figured out which universities are associated with which nations, and which conferences contain which teams". Because of this statement, I posted the solution to your problem. I showed you which universities are associated with which nations, and which conferences contain which teams. Point being, I don't understand why in your next post you stated, "I'm well aware of where i can go to look and find out what conference I am or who the controllers of the nations of the schools are...."

When you stated, "Quite frankly, the only conference that makes sense for Space is Horizon", I think you might have a misunderstanding here. The name of your conference in no way shape or form reflects your school, mascot, team, nation, etc. The name of a conference in NSCF couldn't be more irrelevant. Utlimately, conferences may as well be named Conference One, Conference Two, Conference Three, and so on.

I appreciate your input about how we should post scoring, but there is no reason to change the current method. We have 39 other teams in this league that either have no problems or no voiced opinions on this matter, so it's a little silly to suggest changing the method of displaying scores because of one individual. Not to mention, this is how we've done it for four editions now, and there hasn't ever been an issue.

And ultimately if you're not willing to just click on the first page of the RP Thread and see which teams are in your conference, then I'm not really sure what to tell you. I looked at your roster, and it seems that you have a pretty good idea going, and I don't think you want all of that work to go to waste. Therefore, I don't understand why you're not willing to do a little research around the three NSCF Threads (the RP Thread, Scores Thread, and Discussion Thread). Once again, no one else has ever had a problem with this (or at least they've never voiced it) and I don't really anticipate any further issues. So if the one reason you're not furthering your participation in NSCF 4 is because you are unwilling to click a link twice a week to find out who you played and then click on another link to write an RP about the game, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Space]

When you stated, "Quite frankly, the only conference that makes sense for Space is Horizon", I think you might have a misunderstanding here. The name of your conference in no way shape or form reflects your school, mascot, team, nation, etc. The name of a conference in NSCF couldn't be more irrelevant.

Exactly the point. At least 1, 2, 3 or 4 would be reasonable and straight forward to remember. There is absolutely no logical connection between the conference names and, well, ANYTHING! Whereby if you look for commonalities between nations maybe you could find something more sensible that could enhance an RP other than just placing random schools in random groups with random names requiring a reference guide to figure out when you are playing and who you are playing against, by the time all this is done interest in RPing (outside the core group that is already familiar with it) is so low that most of the time one doesn't bother.

That was my comment, in response to the user above that seemed to be complaining about the lack of RPs in their conference. My response was, I agree, and its not hard to see why, from my point of view, because I'd have to back out and reference three things just to see if the conference they were in was the same one I was in or not!

[Michael VII]

When you stated, "Quite frankly, the only conference that makes sense for Space is Horizon", I think you might have a misunderstanding here. The name of your conference in no way shape or form reflects your school, mascot, team, nation, etc. The name of a conference in NSCF couldn't be more irrelevant.

Exactly the point. At least 1, 2, 3 or 4 would be reasonable and straight forward to remember. There is absolutely no logical connection between the conference names and, well, ANYTHING! Whereby if you look for commonalities between nations maybe you could find something more sensible that could enhance an RP other than just placing random schools in random groups with random names requiring a reference guide to figure out when you are playing and who you are playing against, by the time all this is done interest in RPing (outside the core group that is already familiar with it) is so low that most of the time one doesn't bother.

That was my comment, in response to the user above that seemed to be complaining about the lack of RPs in their conference. My response was, I agree, and its not hard to see why, from my point of view, because I'd have to back out and reference three things just to see if the conference they were in was the same one I was in or not!

Is anyone else reminded of Jimmer Fredette right now?

As for the way to scorinate things, we (I as a scorinator would know) just copy and paste the results and table into the scores thread. It makes it easier for us because we'd like to focus on our RPs too, scorinating is a bit of a hassle in the end if we have to suddenly chuck Nation Names next to the teams, especially seeing as most people know which nations the teams are from. We already have to read and judge RPs, scorinate the matchday, post it in the results thread and then link it back to the RP thread. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy scorinating, but adding this in halfway through the season would be annoying...

And as for the Conference names, I for one like them, it gives one a sense of belonging to a Conference, I feel more of a belonging in the Woodlands Conference rather than Conference One. I enjoy the names and they aren't at all hard to remember. And they are all named after earthly things, Sequoia, Mineral, Woodlands, Horizon, well apart from the Big Eight of course. I don't care, seeing as my nation is supposed to be based in Northern Africa, that I am in the Woodlands Conference. And the Conference matchups aren't at random, they're there to make rivalries over the seasons, Utica and Arkinesia have been together since the beginning and have built up something. Osarius has already said that his algorithm for making conferences is based on having all the returning teams to be based in the same conference to keep the rivalry going.

I like your enthusiasm Space, but a lot of these things are pretty insignificant things in the grand scheme of things...Keep going strong!

[Osarius]

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That wouldn't be too awkward, I guess. There's a field in xkoranate for "team" which could be used for nations I suppose. Even if only in the tables (because in the results it just looks messy to me). And I doubt Cosumar (who scorinates your conference) would object to such a minor change to the xkoranate file... But even then, you'd still have to go back and forth to see details for the opposition (like a roster) anyway when you RP.

On top of that, you don't even need to know anything about the opponent. In my own RPs for example... if I didn't do a "scoring summary", I wouldn't really need to know anything about the opposition at all. I focus almost entirely on my own team. If you'd rather not be so Space-centric, then you can RP it as your coach can't get hold of the information because of your school's location (for example). You could ignore NSCF and RP your own internal storyline for the school if you wanted to. There are lots of options and it really doesn't matter. In your case in particular, there is amazing RP potential... and I think any RP is better than no RP, personally. But I do sort of understand your frustrations.

Unfortunately, if you intend to include other people's schools and characters, then either way there will be a degree of effort required on the part of the player. No matter what. I hope you don't get too discouraged by that, and get more involved, but I get it if you don't. It is a bit of a chore to RP sometimes, to be fair. But I'd rather see you stick around because I think it would be a shame to lose someone who appears to be pretty creative over something I think is so... trivial.

[Churchma]

Exactly the point. At least 1, 2, 3 or 4 would be reasonable and straight forward to remember. There is absolutely no logical connection between the conference names and, well, ANYTHING! Whereby if you look for commonalities between nations maybe you could find something more sensible that could enhance an RP other than just placing random schools in random groups with random names requiring a reference guide to figure out when you are playing and who you are playing against, by the time all this is done interest in RPing (outside the core group that is already familiar with it) is so low that most of the time one doesn't bother.

That was my comment, in response to the user above that seemed to be complaining about the lack of RPs in their conference. My response was, I agree, and its not hard to see why, from my point of view, because I'd have to back out and reference three things just to see if the conference they were in was the same one I was in or not!

Have you ever, and I mean ever, looked at the standings for college football/basketball/baseball? You'll notice there are conference names like the Pacific-12, Big 12, Big 10, Southeastern Conference, Big East, etc. Do you realize how generic Conference One sounds? By stating that we might as well be Conference One, Conference Two, etc. I was just attempting to show you that the name of your conference does not matter. But when I started this thing up a couple years ago, I wanted to model it after RL NCAA, therefore, the names of the conferences reflect RL names of conferences.

Schools are not randomly selected to be in a conference. If you would have looked at NSCF 2, NSCF 3, and NSCF 4 (which you probably didn't, because that would require you actually do a little research) you would see that once you're in a conference, that's the conference you'll always be in. Once again, this creates a realistic experience and potential for rivalries, such as Colden/RCU and Arkinesia/Utica.

Additionally, if you didn't know about this, you can have multiple pages open at once while you're on the computer. Tab browsing, opening up multiple windows.... whatever your method you choose, it's really not that difficult to figure out.

And yes M7, this looks like another JF.

[New West Guiana]

Once again, this creates a realistic experience and potential for rivalries, such as Colden/RCU and Arkinesia/Utica.

But Port Salem doesn't have any rivalries in the Mineral (I mean have you seen it lately, my rps tell so much) the closest would be Carasatoga's OCSU. Then again UPS being the newcomer in NSCF III and then winning the first Mineral Conference Crown and might just repeat.

[Homelands our]

Once again, this creates a realistic experience and potential for rivalries, such as Colden/RCU and Arkinesia/Utica.

But Port Salem doesn't have any rivalries in the Mineral (I mean have you seen it lately, my rps tell so much) the closest would be Carasatoga's OCSU. Then again UPS being the newcomer in NSCF III and then winning the first Mineral Conference Crown and might just repeat.

My teams (harloop and east Kilbride) could get something going ( only rival games for team are each other) also as they are both new teams it maybe could be NSCF6 before anything happens

[Arkinesia]

Dude, UArk is going to tear shit up in the second half of the season. 4 road games in the first half of the season, and most of them were the harder opponents.

Look out, I can easily see a 6-1 or 7-0 run for us in this stretch.

[Churchma]

To the people that are talking about rivals-

Rivalries aren't set in stone, they are just "created" because people RP about it, and they happen to agree that they want to be rivals. There's no where that says Team A and Team B are assigned rivals. The way that RCU (Cosumar) and Colden (myself) became rivals is just because we decided amongst ourselves that we wanted to create a rivalry.

Homelands our- if you consistently RP, NSCF 4 could easily be breakout years for your two schools. It's just that you can't all of a sudden expect big results if you're not putting the work in. It's not as if NSCF has been around for 50+ editions and the best teams are light years ahead of the other teams. If you look at the post NSCF 3 rankings you'll see that teams new to NSCF did extremely well in their first try (see Frbiba State, Ribersburg-Madison, Port Salem).

[New West Guiana]

Churchma looking at the post NSCF III rankings I see you must have forgot how to count from 9 to 11.

Post-NSCF 3 Rankings

7. Frbiba State		^	^	14-2	14-2	^	^	3.500	3.500
8. St. John's Island	^	11-6	7-6	18-12	^	1.294	1.750	3.044
9. Darien-Pushania	^	^	12-2	12-2	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
9. Riversburg-Madison	^	^	12-3	12-3	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
11. Bugny A&M		^	11-4	6-7	17-11	^	1.294	1.500	2.794
12. Port Salem		^	^	11-3	11-3	^	^	2.750	2.750

[Darmen]

Churchma looking at the post NSCF III rankings I see you must have forgot how to count from 9 to 11.

Post-NSCF 3 Rankings

7. Frbiba State		^	^	14-2	14-2	^	^	3.500	3.500
8. St. John's Island	^	11-6	7-6	18-12	^	1.294	1.750	3.044
9. Darien-Pushania	^	^	12-2	12-2	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
9. Riversburg-Madison	^	^	12-3	12-3	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
11. Bugny A&M		^	11-4	6-7	17-11	^	1.294	1.500	2.794
12. Port Salem		^	^	11-3	11-3	^	^	2.750	2.750

No, it's just that both Darien-Pushania and Riversburg-Madison happen to be tied at ninth, so therefore there is no tenth place.

[Michael VII]

But Port Salem doesn't have any rivalries in the Mineral (I mean have you seen it lately, my rps tell so much) the closest would be Carasatoga's OCSU. Then again UPS being the newcomer in NSCF III and then winning the first Mineral Conference Crown and might just repeat.

My teams (harloop and east Kilbride) could get something going ( only rival games for team are each other) also as they are both new teams it maybe could be NSCF6 before anything happens

Speaking of rivalries, just look at mine and Osarius's RPs before and after we play each other! Haha, its always mentioned as a rivalry because we want one because they were, before Touffer, the only team to beat us in NSCF3 and 4, so far (again ignoring Touffer because I haven't played Utica since.), so naturally we felt like they were a rival team. Utica on the other hand refuses to mention that there is a rivalry, its a bit of RP fun! I still maintain that FSU is Utica's second most hated team! haha. The one with Arkinesia and Utica goes back to NSCF1 where they contested the final and Utica won, and my one with Arkinesia is just to do with RP because we have a 3-0 record against them now! We just make it up for fun because it adds more to RPs other than a match summary. Then again, Frbiba is known for being cocky and biased about everything so don't expect a clean RP about you or anyone else! haha

[Churchma]

Churchma looking at the post NSCF III rankings I see you must have forgot how to count from 9 to 11.

Post-NSCF 3 Rankings

7. Frbiba State		^	^	14-2	14-2	^	^	3.500	3.500
8. St. John's Island	^	11-6	7-6	18-12	^	1.294	1.750	3.044
9. Darien-Pushania	^	^	12-2	12-2	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
9. Riversburg-Madison	^	^	12-3	12-3	^	^	3.000	[b]3.000
11. Bugny A&M		^	11-4	6-7	17-11	^	1.294	1.500	2.794
12. Port Salem		^	^	11-3	11-3	^	^	2.750	2.750

No, apparently you've never seen how a college sports rankings system works. Don't try to start a fight on here, especially if you don't know what you're talking about.

[New West Guiana]

My teams (harloop and east Kilbride) could get something going ( only rival games for team are each other) also as they are both new teams it maybe could be NSCF6 before anything happens

Speaking of rivalries, just look at mine and Osarius's RPs before and after we play each other! Haha, its always mentioned as a rivalry because we want one because they were, before Touffer, the only team to beat us in NSCF3 and 4, so far (again ignoring Touffer because I haven't played Utica since.), so naturally we felt like they were a rival team. Utica on the other hand refuses to mention that there is a rivalry, its a bit of RP fun! I still maintain that FSU is Utica's second most hated team! haha. The one with Arkinesia and Utica goes back to NSCF1 where they contested the final and Utica won, and my one with Arkinesia is just to do with RP because we have a 3-0 record against them now! We just make it up for fun because it adds more to RPs other than a match summary. Then again, Frbiba is known for being cocky and biased about everything so don't expect a clean RP about you or anyone else! haha

I'm not nice to Carasatoga's OCSU

My last rp: the only reason why OCSU is now 5-1 is because none of these other six teams should even be playing at this level, they should be in some Junior College league where all the teams their suck as bad as they do. These teams make OCSU look good and we all know what they look like when playing against real teams, last NSCF season they went 6-6 and missed the playoffs
Last weeks after MD5
Ed come on really, I said it two days ago the Min has no real teams to compete with us other than OCSU and no real offense to them but they aren't really that good any ways,
I'm not holding back any more

[Osarius]

heads up, guys. rankings updated... first page of the rp/roster thread updated accordingly... and the latest power rankings are up. tricky week for rankings again, because a lot changed, but I could find no legitimate IC reason to move half the teams in the top ten :/

[Carasatoga]

I completely consider it a rivalry in the Mineral Conference between Port Salem and Oklahoma City State!!! =) I like NWG's RPs, they're funny, even though they bash my teams most of the time.

OOCly, why is OCSU out of the rankings despite a 5-1 record (yes, ik the Min Conference sucks, but not even 10th)? It is 4th in Darmen's rankings.

[Osarius]

OOCly, why is OCSU out of the rankings despite a 5-1 record (yes, ik the Min Conference sucks, but not even 10th)? It is 4th in Darmen's rankings.

That's why. lol.

When people disagree though, feel free to rant in RPs. The whole point I do the power rankings is to give people more stuff to RP about!
If you check the official rankings, they're seventh, I think.

[Carasatoga]

I can never find them. And unlike Space (lolz) I look.

EDIT: Never mind, I just looked at your signature, haha.

[New West Guiana]

Churchma, you'r sport people made new enemies Eddy, Mo and Sarah and they wont let up.

[Churchma]

Game on NWG. I gave you the chance to say sorry for attempting to call me out with the rankings system, but you don't have the balls to admit when you're wrong. And for that... the Bearcat Athletics Radio Show will enjoy toasting Port Salem each week. Just wait for next week!

[New West Guiana]

Game on NWG. I gave you the chance to say sorry for attempting to call me out with the rankings system.

actually that was my own mistake I didn't see the other numbers I only saw two nines in a row, I can have tunnel vision at times, but.

[Mytannion]

Heads up here guys, I may have to do a double scorination on Thursday as I have a Maths GCSE Exam on Wednesday and have been doing my nut revising today (Sunday in the UK), and shall be revising loads on Monday and Tuesday.

If anyone has a problem with this we'll have to try and sort something else out..