Nation States College Football (NSCF) Discussion Thread

[Michael VII]

Crap! Stupid rowing training took me past the cutoff! Please help Frbiba State! and Jagoza...I promise I'll RP them this time!

[Michael VII]

# Woodlands Conference     Pld    W   D   L    PF   PA   PD
1 University of Utica        2    2   0   0    32   10  +22
2 University of Arkinesia    2    2   0   0    51   34  +17
3 Touffer University         2    1   0   1    55   50   +5
4 University of Jagoza       2    1   0   1    68   54  +14
5 Frbiba State University    2    1   0   1    20   10  +10
6 Walterton University       2    1   0   1    37   50  −13
7 Bucktown University        2    0   0   2    19   33  −14
8 Hudson College             2    0   0   2    19   60  −41

PD for Three teams highlighted for effect...So what exactly are our rules for a three-way tie? By PD FSU should be above Touffer but behind Jagoza. By H2H Jagoza should be below Touffer but above FSU by PD. Touffer should be above Jagoza by H2H but below FSU by PD...So, do we just roll with this system, or is there an actual way we settle three way ties?

[Mytannion]

PD for Three teams highlighted for effect...So what exactly are our rules for a three-way tie? By PD FSU should be above Touffer but behind Jagoza. By H2H Jagoza should be below Touffer but above FSU by PD. Touffer should be above Jagoza by H2H but below FSU by PD...So, do we just roll with this system, or is there an actual way we settle three way ties?

Me and Osarius agreed that we'd be using this hierarchy for tiebreaking procedures.

Wins, head-to-head wins, head-to-head point difference, point difference, points for, away points.

So I've just plugged them into the scorinator and that is how the table came out when I scorinated the games.

[Michael VII]

Well, I think I mentioned that I had an idea a week or so ago - maybe more. It was quite similar to the ideas being proposed now, but because I thought of the scheduling problems that would be created if team from different conferences played each other, it is slightly different.

I was going to propose that the top 8 ranked teams (or 8 teams that are role-played well by their users and so are invite), make up a conference of their own. Just so we can have a more competitive conference where people who role-play will at least have the chance to role-play against other active role-players, it'd mean there would be more rivaries and tougher games - and once big teams will struggle a bit, but the role-playing would be brilliant.

Any thoughts?

I wouldn't mind that idea at all, but unless we brought in a bowl system playoffs as well, it wouldn't be fair as this conference would inevitably all meet in the QFs, thereby defeating the purpose of having a playoff system. (Okay, well it would be impossible for all 8 to go through, but it would be unfair to keep some schools, like Utica, Arkinesia, UAD, RMU, SJIC perhaps FSU (but then again we are pretty new, and only 1-1 this year) out of the playoffs because they had some insane schedule...I like the idea of playing all these guys, and would support it, but I don't see how playoffs would work unless we did the whole D1/D2 thing, where this conference was like D1, the others were D2 and had playoffs to qualify for next year's D1?

Actually how about that?

Have the Top 8 teams in one Division, like the Premier League, and have them be the crowned NSCF Champions, (I also like the idea of Semis and a Final in the PL too though). Then have the other teams in D2, in four or so (depending on numbers) conferences that have the top 16 (or 8 seeing as we've just taken out a huge chunk of active RPers) playoff in the knockout format for one or two spots in the Premier League next year? It would make an incentive for D2 teams to RP to get to D1, and would also make an incentive for D1 teams who are no longer in Championship contention to continue RPing to avoid being relegated...How about this?

It is just another of my ideas, so alter if you wish, but this has just gone back to the whole last season's D1/D2 idea...

And Mytannion, I wasn't complaining about anything, I trust that Week One's loss will be the only loss for the year, so I needn't really worry about these procedures! I was just asking if we had three way tie breakers like the NFL does or something...

[Mytannion]

I wouldn't mind that idea at all, but unless we brought in a bowl system playoffs as well, it wouldn't be fair as this conference would inevitably all meet in the QFs, thereby defeating the purpose of having a playoff system. (Okay, well it would be impossible for all 8 to go through, but it would be unfair to keep some schools, like Utica, Arkinesia, UAD, RMU, SJIC perhaps FSU (but then again we are pretty new, and only 1-1 this year) out of the playoffs because they had some insane schedule...I like the idea of playing all these guys, and would support it, but I don't see how playoffs would work unless we did the whole D1/D2 thing, where this conference was like D1, the others were D2 and had playoffs to qualify for next year's D1?

Well, no, they wouldn't meet in the quarter finals - think about it. If we seed the teams that qualify for the play-offs, this doesn't matter at all - as the teams in this super conference won't all have 14-0 records. If one team does, they'll be #1 seed, but this conference probably won't have the #16 seed, so the teams won't play each other. It makes sense to me anyway.

I'd honestly prefer some way of having mixed schedules - maybe with a 15 teams seeded or something and somehow do the schedules like that as in real-life but as we've said - that would be massively complicated.

And Mytannion, I wasn't complaining about anything, I trust that Week One's loss will be the only loss for the year, so I needn't really worry about these procedures! I was just asking if we had three way tie breakers like the NFL does or something...

No problem, I wasn't accusing you of complaining aha - just telling you the hierarchy and the situation

[Boriem]

Well, I sense a terrible season for Wijlik... Despite the fact that it put up a pretty good defense against this week's foe... *sigh*.

[Michael VII]

Despite the fact that this isn't NSCF related at all, but for anyone who is part of NSCF and World Cup qualifying, I have World Cup qualifying friendly spots to use up and if you're interested, then just TG me! hope to see some replies! haha

Oh, and of course seeing as Mytannion will hate this, GO THE ALL BLACKS!

[Homelands our]

I endorse D1/D2
I have a plan you could do this


D1-8teams in 1 Conference
D2-16teams in 2 conferences
D3-rest of the teams in 3conferences

Last place team in D1 has to play the winner of the play-off between winners of the D2 conferences (winner in D1 next season)
Last placed teams in the D2 conferences relegated to D3 second last placed teams play-off winner stays in D2 top team in each of the D3 conferences promoted to D2

[Churchma]

Since we're talking about this whole relegation idea again, I'd like to put in my two cents.

I know in the past I have stated that I liked the idea of relegation, but I keep coming back to the fact that this is supposed to represent a realistic American college football league. I honestly do like the idea of relegation, and I understand the perks of it, but if we're going to keep this thing as realistic as possible, we DO NOT need to introduce this system. One of the greatest things about the American college football system is the upsets where a heavily favored team gets knocked off by a team that is relatively unheard of. That same idea won't exist if we have our best 8 teams in one league, and the rest of the others in a league below. Additionally, I don't think we have the kind of numbers that make relegation a viable option. If we had 16 teams in three separate divisions, I could see that- MAYBE. But with the limited numbers that we have now, I don't think it's necessary to split them up.

Also, with this system, newcomers can't make their mark right away. For instance, if this relegation system had been set up last year, nations such as M7, Holy Marsh, and KK (among others) wouldn't have had a chance to do as well as they did. So now that I'm back in this thing, I'm going to stand my ground and say that with these limited numbers we DO NOT need a relegation system. Let's keep this thing realistic.

[New West Guiana]

Take the top 10-12 teams place them each in a bowl game the lower ranked teams would go to the lesser known bowls, while the higher would go into well known bowls. Then the #1 and #2 would be placed in the NSCF Championship.
Sounds just like how they already do it, but the better teams would go to bowls not the "lesser".

[Churchma]

Going along with the numbers concern... if you look at the total number of teams that have been around from NSCF 1, 2, and 3, you'll see that there are only four such teams. Then if you look and see which teams particpated in NSCF 2 and 3, you'll see that there are only 11 such teams. I haven't had the time to see which teams in NSCF 4 were around in editions 2 and 3, but let me just get to my point.

There aren't enough teams returning each year to have a realisitic D1 and D2. If there were 24-32 teams each year that were serioulsy RPing and putting forth the effort to win a NSCF championship, then I could potentially see why this idea might work. But the whole point of relegation is for the poorer teams to rise to the top after a solid season, when in fact, they might not even signup for NSCF 5, so then what happens in this system? IMO, we should keep things the way they are- with a 16-team playoff. We don't need bowl games. We don't need relegation. NSCF 2 and 3 were both very successful, realistic, and had high-levels of RP. We don't need to change the system. As some of you may have heard...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Mytannion]

I was gonna' cut-off now, but seen as I'm finishing off an RP (..another?! ), and Michael VII wants to finish his - I'll wait until he's done his.

[Civil Citizenry]

Utica upset by T.U.! The next FSU, maybe?

[Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuk]

Another loss!

[The United City-States]

I actually won!

[Saugeais]

Bugny 3-0 and Saugeais State 2-1 all without RPs. Though I vow I will RP sometime during the season; I'm not that lazy.

[Osarius]

Utica upset by T.U.! The next FSU, maybe?

Haha, I pretty much called it at the end of my last RP. No perfect regular season, then. Looks like we're going for a perfect home season instead.

On the plus side, this loss gives me good RP material for next matchday if I go down the media reaction route. Probably gonna be a talking point for a few others too, so its all good Anyway, I'll most likely be continuing my theme of poor pass coverage by the Tigers' secondary. I don't feel like making Toby Davies a scapegoat. But if you RP before I do, I'll follow your lead.

[Cosumar]

Don't worry, Osarius. Tough week for me too.

Losing to Colden hurts.

[Mytannion]

UAD conceding their first points but still winning, it's all good for the Royals!

EDIT: Also, can I just say that the level of RPing in the Woodlands Conference is pretty amazing and I've really enjoyed both reading and following this conference as I probably wouldn't if I'd been scorinating a different conference or not scorinating at all. Especially coming from scorinating a conference that didn't have much RP last season. I won't go into too much detail, but the role-playing of teams like Touffer and UArk etc, has really closed the ranking gap with other teams.

[The United City-States]

Dang! I was going to RP later today, but then I saw that the scores had already been posted, and I was thinking, "dang. How bad did my team lose?" I tell you what, I'm so amazed that I am 3rd in the Horizon right now...

[Osarius]

The standings spreadsheet is updated, and I noticed a mistake in how I built it... but I havent found a solution yet.

In cases where there is a three way tie, and team A has played both B and C, but B hasn't played C yet... the rankings might come out messed up (see Utica, FSU and Touffer this week, for example) ... I'm working on it though. I think I need to find a way of calculating head to head wins... but that might facilitate another 8 columns, or another 40... I'm not sure yet. And even then, it might not work. For now I'm gonna leave it while I experiment and whatnot.

As it stands, the sheet counts the number of games played head to head with teams on equal wins, and ranks the team with the least games played as the lowest and not the least games won (silly oversight on my part, in retrospect). For the formulae to work properly, that comparison needs to become wins. Problem is, short of checking every single possible combination for each team, I'm not sure how I'll do that yet.

The sheet uses match indexes formed by abbreviated forms of the teams involved to distinguish between home and away games, so each match has its own index. Comparing the match indexes to find whether the teams involved are tied on wins, then comparing the result of each match index (displayed as the abbreviated form of the winner) to the abbreviated form of each team and multiplying by 1 or 0 (depending on whether the two teams were tied) to get the number of wins is far too long-winded, so I'm looking for a more efficient method. I think I can do it by conference alone, but thats still an additional 300 calculations... and the file is getting too big already.

That might have gone over a lot of heads, but... I like people to know what I'm doing behind the scenes. Just in case you had any concerns, or better yet, solutions >_> I'll try and get an RP up later, though... and/or maybe the IC Power Rankings. As long as I can tear myself away from this little challenge long enough, haha.

[Churchma]

Don't worry, Osarius. Tough week for me too.
Losing to Colden hurts.

lol I love this post!

Osarius-
I'm definitely one of those people that had all of that information fly way over my head, but I'd like to tell you that you're doing a phenomenal job with all of this stuff. Your ranking system, along with your IC rankings make this league very enjoyable week-to-week/game-to-game. You're doing a much better job than I did with keeping up to date with rankings, along with providing the reasons you have a particular team ranked where they are. Keep up the good work!

In other news, Colden is looking as good as they ever have, hopefully they can remain undefeated through the first half of the season!

[Osarius]

Osarius-
I'm definitely one of those people that had all of that information fly way over my head, but I'd like to tell you that you're doing a phenomenal job with all of this stuff. Your ranking system, along with your IC rankings make this league very enjoyable week-to-week/game-to-game. You're doing a much better job than I did with keeping up to date with rankings, along with providing the reasons you have a particular team ranked where they are. Keep up the good work!

Thanks, brah! I do what I can. I've had fun with this competition -- not just because Utica win a lot, lol -- so I don't really mind putting a bit more time into it, you know? Also, its practice for if I ever decide to run anything bigger (unlikely for now, but still). Looks like I've found a solution to the standings issue anyway, and I'll need to add 8 columns and re-do some formulae... but I might be able to squeeze in enough time to get that done after the next lot of results.

In other news, something I'd forgotten until I went to clear out my TG inbox just now. Mytannion asked about the NSCF Championship game venue and whether we'd be bidding for it... I don't see why not. Gives you more material for RP, too. So yeah... bidding process open etc etc. If multiple people submit bids (via the RP thread), then at the end of the regular season, we can just get the committee to vote on a venue. Sound okay to everyone else?

[Arkinesia]

Okay Mytannion, I hate to be that guy, but are you sure you added my RP bonus?

I mean…Utica's got home field and they're good but…I just…no.

[Michael VII]

Okay Mytannion, I hate to be that guy, but are you sure you added my RP bonus?

I mean…Utica's got home field and they're good but…I just…no.

Yeah, I agree with Ark, I don't think the scorinators in this day and age rely that much on RNGs...That was a pretty big win which seems a little bit weird...

IC: NOW OSN has a reason to put Utica higher than me on the rankings! haha