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Postby Cosumar » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:19 pm

The Redvale wrote:Also, how does conference realignment work exactly? Both schools have a much better chance if they aren't beating up on each other next season.

Schools from the same nation are always grouped together, and returning teams always return to their same conference if possible.

More specifics here if interested.
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:31 pm

Just a question, since I don't see anything about this in the the guidelines: would it be possible for the host of a conference to rename it? Or is that not recommended?
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Postby Cosumar » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:44 pm

Frenline Delpha wrote:Just a question, since I don't see anything about this in the the guidelines: would it be possible for the host of a conference to rename it? Or is that not recommended?

The conferences have so much tradition and IC history at this point, I don't see why anyone would want to change them.
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Postby Banija » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:30 pm

Cosumar wrote:
Frenline Delpha wrote:Just a question, since I don't see anything about this in the the guidelines: would it be possible for the host of a conference to rename it? Or is that not recommended?

The conferences have so much tradition and IC history at this point, I don't see why anyone would want to change them.


This. The Sequoia Conference(now dormant) was an original conference of the NSCF. I had a team in it with a prior nation from NSCF 2 through NSCF 4. And while I'd love that to return, Banija's teams belong in the Celestia Conference. We've won it twice, and that's the history I like.

I even remember the Woodlands & Horizon conference from way back in the day.
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Postby Kalalau » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:32 pm

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Cosumar wrote:I'm sorry it didn't work out this time. Please know, however, that your RPs were a pleasure to read throughout the tournament. Same sentiment goes to Kalalau, who I was also disappointed to see eliminated.

Your schools did fantastic considering they started out as unranked debutants. You'll be well-positioned for a strong push in NSCF 16 if Mount Maris and Castle decide to return, which I hope they do.

Thanks, both schools will definitely return. Albeit, Castle will return with a completely different system and a quarterback battle, and Mount Maris might have a new head coach after Arend Starke's gamble single handedly knocked them out of the playoffs, and because he didn't help the locker room in the long run. You may even see Francis Allan selling out if the Friars pull a typical Marisian move and steal a promising young head coach from a major rival. Hopefully Raynor stays out next season too also, because I can't see the Friars repeating over them.

Also, how does conference realignment work exactly? Both schools have a much better chance if they aren't beating up on each other next season.


As Cosumar noted, your schools will be quite well positioned for NSCF 16. And I think any of the regular posters for NSCF understand your feelings on the loss; we've been there (like the frigging NSCF 12 Championship game that I lost, in OT at that, to a team that didn't write more than 3 sentences for a single RP all year...that was a tough one to swallow).

As far as conference realignment, there is more info at the link above, but I think it is that way for just that purpose; schools run by the same OOC person could run the table in different conferences and REALLY eff over some other participants.

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Postby Osarius » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:08 am

Kalalau wrote:As far as conference realignment, there is more info at the link above, but I think it is that way for just that purpose; schools run by the same OOC person could run the table in different conferences and REALLY eff over some other participants.

This is correct.

When Churchma (just noticed he's been gone for three and a half years, wow) originally structured the multiple-conference format of NSCF, he intentionally grouped user's teams together to prevent one or two users basically dominating the playoffs. I carried that on and codified it (sort of) when I wrote the procedural list. It's one of the few things we've managed to maintain pretty much from the start, I think. The format of the competition has changed so much since then, a lot of other things changed out of necessity.

But yeah, one of the aims of NSCF has always been to encourage more RP as the season progresses, because it's easy to lose momentum with infrequent matchdays and relatively lengthy seasons. This is partly why bowl games became a thing (to give more teams a reason to RP), and part of the reason I suggested having non-conference games at the end of the season rather than the start (gives users a reason to stay invested until the end).

On the topic of conference names... Personally, I don't see why you'd want to either, but there's also no reason we shouldn't. At this point, I'm inclined to say it's up to the teams in the conference whether they're okay with a name change. I mean... it doesn't really affect anything, I suppose, but we have traditions and history here now sooo... it might matter to some. Also, I personally named three of these conferences, and my feelings would be hurt if someone changed one of them :P

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The Sequoia Conference(now dormant) was an original conference of the NSCF. I had a team in it with a prior nation from NSCF 2 through NSCF 4.

Wait what? :o

Since I'm fairly sure you're not Myt or KK ... Trying to remember who else was active in Sequoia in the early days ... Silver Beach?
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Postby Cosumar » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:05 am

Osarius wrote:When Churchma (just noticed he's been gone for three and a half years, wow)

Wow is right! I miss Churchma, wherever he is nowadays :lol:


Osarius wrote:
The Sequoia Conference(now dormant) was an original conference of the NSCF. I had a team in it with a prior nation from NSCF 2 through NSCF 4.

Wait what? :o

Since I'm fairly sure you're not Myt or KK ... Trying to remember who else was active in Sequoia in the early days ... Silver Beach?

Yeah, he's not Mytannion... Could be Silver Beach. There was also Lycrabon, maybe?


Osarius wrote:I personally named three of these conferences

I remember when we were discussing conference names, but I don't remember if I actually suggested any of them :?:
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Congrats to the champions!

RCU are now the only team to play multiple championship games without losing one


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Postby The united states of Saints » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:55 am

Congrats to Cosumar! You ended me in the first round so I'll get you back next edition :twisted:

Also I'm ranked fourth now? Don't see how since I have an overall record of 13-12
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Postby Valorem » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:47 am

It seems Konigsberg does not appear in the standings at all. Ctrl-F couldn't find them on either sheet.
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The united states of Saints wrote:Also I'm ranked fourth now? Don't see how since I have an overall record of 13-12

The numbers check out.
You got 2.5 rank pts for NSCF 15 (4 * (10 wins/16 games played)), and 0.375 for NSCF 14 (2*(3/16))

Valorem wrote:It seems Konigsberg does not appear in the standings at all. Ctrl-F couldn't find them on either sheet.

They were on the Teams list, but it appears that I forgot to update the background calculation tables correctly. Ha!
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Postby The united states of Saints » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:17 am

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The united states of Saints wrote:Also I'm ranked fourth now? Don't see how since I have an overall record of 13-12

The numbers check out.
You got 2.5 rank pts for NSCF 15 (4 * (10 wins/16 games played)), and 0.375 for NSCF 14 (2*(3/16))

Valorem wrote:It seems Konigsberg does not appear in the standings at all. Ctrl-F couldn't find them on either sheet.

They were on the Teams list, but it appears that I forgot to update the background calculation tables correctly. Ha!
Should be sorted now.

Ok then.
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Postby Cosumar » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:54 am

Thanks guys! Stay tuned for NSCF Postseason Awards soon.

Osarius wrote:Congrats to the champions!

RCU are now the only team to play multiple championship games without losing one


The All-Time Standings have also been updated.
Should have every single result in NSCF history, with some other possibly useful stats and what not.

I'm afraid I don't quite understand that "Rankings" tab. These aren't the rankings we use for scorination, right? Because usually the Commissioner updates those on a separate spreadsheet. I'm also not quite sure how RCU is 8th after going 11-2 in the regular season and winning the championship :?

It's amazing though that Utica is 15/15 on qualifying for the playoffs. RCU might be the second to double-digits next season. Us NSCF originals gotta stay on top!
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Yet another reason for a rivalry between Mount Maris and Konigsberg - they're 70th, I'm 71st (all-time). And we're in the same conference.
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Postby Osarius » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:19 pm

Cosumar wrote:I'm afraid I don't quite understand that "Rankings" tab. These aren't the rankings we use for scorination, right? Because usually the Commissioner updates those on a separate spreadsheet. I'm also not quite sure how RCU is 8th after going 11-2 in the regular season and winning the championship :?

They should match up with the official rankings, but I haven't checked yet. I added those today on my lunch break just because. Thought I hid them tbh.
Working on some records in the background too. Will let you guys know when they're ready.

But yeah, the rankings are weird in general. It's supposed to be using the old World Bowl formula, which doesn't guarantee the champions get the max points for the season. I'll have a proper look when I have time, though. I probably overlooked something simple.

EDIT: Actually, a quick look reveals the problem. I didn't copy the correct formula to all rows, I was using 1, 0.5 and 0.25 as multipliers instead of 4, 2 and 1 at first. Should be fixed now.
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Postby Cosumar » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:56 pm

Osarius wrote:
Cosumar wrote:I'm afraid I don't quite understand that "Rankings" tab. These aren't the rankings we use for scorination, right? Because usually the Commissioner updates those on a separate spreadsheet. I'm also not quite sure how RCU is 8th after going 11-2 in the regular season and winning the championship :?

They should match up with the official rankings, but I haven't checked yet. I added those today on my lunch break just because. Thought I hid them tbh.
Working on some records in the background too. Will let you guys know when they're ready.

But yeah, the rankings are weird in general. It's supposed to be using the old World Bowl formula, which doesn't guarantee the champions get the max points for the season. I'll have a proper look when I have time, though. I probably overlooked something simple.

EDIT: Actually, a quick look reveals the problem. I didn't copy the correct formula to all rows, I was using 1, 0.5 and 0.25 as multipliers instead of 4, 2 and 1 at first. Should be fixed now.

Ah, that makes more sense now :p I think this is the first time I've held both of the top spots.

Thanks for all your work, O
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Postby Kalalau » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:37 pm

Osarius wrote:Congrats to the champions!

RCU are now the only team to play multiple championship games without losing one


The All-Time Standings have also been updated.
Should have every single result in NSCF history, with some other possibly useful stats and what not.


Oof. That hurts. Congrats to RCU, for sure, and well deserved. But to see RCU has been to multiple finals without losing one and then to juxtapose that with Harbor College is the only team to have gone to multiple finals without winning....that smarts.

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Postby NSCF » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:13 am

Thank you to everyone who participated in NSCF 15. It is now time for you all to telegram your nominations for the NSCF Awards to this nation. The categories are as follows:

Most Outstanding Player of the Year

Offensive Player of the Year

Defensive Player of the Year

Special Teams Player of the Year

Coach of the Year


Links to all teams' rosters can be found in the OP of the RP thread. After a week or so of accepting nomination, the NSCF Committee will vote on the winners. You may nominate your own players that you feel are worthy, or others that stood out to you from the season's RPs.
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Postby The Redvale » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:13 pm

I'm gonna use this offseason as a chance to ask about rank transfers.

No, one of my teams isn't leaving or changing very much. Castle will return as the same school and with the same team you know and love. I just want to ask if next season they can play at a different stadium that's about an hour and a half away from where they play now, Fjordham, and if they can play under a slightly different brand(Castle Valle Rojas University instead of Castle University). It has to do with my IC plans for them next season involving, without giving too much away, a booster and internal politics with the school.

EDIT: Also congrats to RCU on the title, if we play at the Arena of Light in the second leg of a home and home series, it's going to be quite the game.
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Postby Cosumar » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:52 pm

The Redvale wrote:I'm gonna use this offseason as a chance to ask about rank transfers.

No, one of my teams isn't leaving or changing very much. Castle will return as the same school and with the same team you know and love. I just want to ask if next season they can play at a different stadium that's about an hour and a half away from where they play now, Fjordham, and if they can play under a slightly different brand(Castle Valle Rojas University instead of Castle University). It has to do with my IC plans for them next season involving, without giving too much away, a booster and internal politics with the school.

EDIT: Also congrats to RCU on the title, if we play at the Arena of Light in the second leg of a home and home series, it's going to be quite the game.

Shouldn't be a problem. I will make sure the name change is reflected when I update the rankings for NSCF 16.

And thanks :) I'm down for another Non-Conference meeting if you are.
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Postby NSCF » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:46 am

NSCF wrote:Thank you to everyone who participated in NSCF 15. It is now time for you all to telegram your nominations for the NSCF Awards to this nation. The categories are as follows:

Most Outstanding Player of the Year

Offensive Player of the Year

Defensive Player of the Year

Special Teams Player of the Year

Coach of the Year


Links to all teams' rosters can be found in the OP of the RP thread. After a week or so of accepting nomination, the NSCF Committee will vote on the winners. You may nominate your own players that you feel are worthy, or others that stood out to you from the season's RPs.

Bumping this as we do not yet have enough nominations to vote for every category.
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Postby Banija » Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:11 pm

Cosumar wrote:
Osarius wrote:When Churchma (just noticed he's been gone for three and a half years, wow)

Wow is right! I miss Churchma, wherever he is nowadays :lol:


Osarius wrote:Wait what? :o

Since I'm fairly sure you're not Myt or KK ... Trying to remember who else was active in Sequoia in the early days ... Silver Beach?

Yeah, he's not Mytannion... Could be Silver Beach. There was also Lycrabon, maybe?


Osarius wrote:I personally named three of these conferences

I remember when we were discussing conference names, but I don't remember if I actually suggested any of them :?:


Yes, I am the Silver Beach of ages past :D
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Postby United Vietussia » Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:14 pm

Welp, Vietussia Academy now has the most bowl invites in NSCF history.

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Award nominations are now closed and NSCF Committee voting will commence. Please vote, committee members!

United Vietussia wrote:Welp, Vietussia Academy now has the most bowl invites in NSCF history.


I can't decide whether that warrants congratulations or commiserations... :p

It's something, at least!
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I'm still trying to figure out what to make of it myself. :p

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