Nation States College Football (NSCF) Discussion Thread

[Michael VII]

First, I would like to state that I almost insist in being part of NSCF 5, when that comes around.

As a newcomer, reading all that you have done so far, I must admit that I am pleased. You guys have done a wonderful job transferring RL into NS.

I personally like the One game per team in Conference plus out of conference idea. Perhaps we could have a 10 game season, with three Out-of-Conference games, then seven games in Conference. This can be followed by the Playoffs. (Eight Teams)

Out-of-Conference Games provide more RPing weight. Also, it will add another dimension to the three playoff spots not decided by Conference Champion. All the Conference Champions would get an automatic playoff berth, but the other three spots would be decided by overall record, and not the in-conference records. It would add a level of intrigue into the season.

If I'm being a bit brash for a newcomer, I apologize, but these are just some ideas that I had.

Thanks!

Don't apologise! This is great, and exactly what we need, excited newcomers that want to make this place better and better! (I'm only a second season player in NSCF, so it doesn't take long to get well acquainted! haha)

I'm not sure if I quite like having only 10 games though, its a bit short, I'd like 12-14 games to be honest, followed by a 12-16 team playoffs. (We have 5 conferences, so only the Champions plus 3 at large would go through under your system, and we have a "controversial" tiebreaking system, so I'm not so keen! )

As for your suggestion of overall records being selected, what's to stop me scheduling a non-RPer for an easy win to ensure that I get an at-large berth (Cough SEC Cough!), I'd rather have 12 teams in the playoff, and then have some At-Large teams selected from SOS, RPI or a BCS type system to be honest!

But keep up the suggestions, heavens knows we need more of them!

[Yesopalitha]

Hm. However we must have one game per team in the conference. That I am dead set on...

[Michael VII]

Hm. However we must have one game per team in the conference. That I am dead set on...

Why are you so dead set on one game per team per year? To me it doesn't really matter, ever since NSCF2 its been double round robin, but I'd like to change that just so we can get OOC games played...

And I take back what I said about putting OU in the NCG. Losing to Baylor? Damn, now Alabama will have to play in it against LSU, DAMN IT!

OSU loses to ISU, Oregon loses to USC, OU loses to BAYLOR, Clemson lost to NC-State...WHY DID BOISE STATE HAVE TO LOSE! :'(

[Yesopalitha]

Why are you so dead set on one game per team per year? To me it doesn't really matter, ever since NSCF2 its been double round robin, but I'd like to change that just so we can get OOC games played...

And I take back what I said about putting OU in the NCG. Losing to Baylor? Damn, now Alabama will have to play in it against LSU, DAMN IT!

OSU loses to ISU, Oregon loses to USC, OU loses to BAYLOR, Clemson lost to NC-State...WHY DID BOISE STATE HAVE TO LOSE! :'([/quote]

no need to break what ain't broke i guess.

And uh there are no undefeated teams left...damn it

[Michael VII]

Why are you so dead set on one game per team per year? To me it doesn't really matter, ever since NSCF2 its been double round robin, but I'd like to change that just so we can get OOC games played...

And I take back what I said about putting OU in the NCG. Losing to Baylor? Damn, now Alabama will have to play in it against LSU, DAMN IT!

OSU loses to ISU, Oregon loses to USC, OU loses to BAYLOR, Clemson lost to NC-State...WHY DID BOISE STATE HAVE TO LOSE! :'(

no need to break what ain't broke i guess.

And uh there are no undefeated teams left...damn it

There still is one...Houston. But even V-Tech and Bama will get in over them. :/

[Osarius]

Quick addition of my thoughts on recent discussions... Some good ideas and whatnot but I just wanna add some stuff in, mostly from an administrative perspective.

I already mentioned that I don't think its impossible to schedule OOC games, its just potentially awkward. It would require a large amount of co-operation by all those involved, and the more people involved, the more likely it is that something will go wrong. So that would effectively mean -- from my perspective -- that we'd probably have to reduce the total number of people scorinating. Most likely to two or three at most, imo. But I may be wrong. And by all means, if we can come up with a system that works, and everyone is comfortable with, let's do it. That's the most important thing though, that its a working system that everyone is comfortable with. Otherwise we have problems.

Intra-conference, though... I will always prefer a double round-robin format. For the simple reason that I think it makes a schedule more balanced. I personally don't like the idea that a team could end up playing all their strongest opposition on the road, effectively shafting them on the luck of the draw. Not to mention I'd prefer to see rivalries contested twice a season. Makes for better RP material, too, imo.

There is no reason whatsoever why we can't re-shuffle the conferences -- something I considered proposing anyway, due to the apparent lack of balance at the moment -- and make it so that a double round-robin system would require only 10 games (for example), leaving space for 2-4 out of conference games.

Oh, and the final point, on rankings systems... the idea of combining ranking lists supplied by each conference host (or whatever) is potentially problematic for the same reason inter-conference scorination is. The more people a system relies on for input, the more chance there is it won't work right. We have enough hassle getting voting done for end of season awards, lol. I wouldn't rely on people to be putting together rankings every week, but that's just me. I'd be far more inclined to be in favour of a ranking system that is purely -- if not almost entirely -- maths based, so that as long as the formula is available, ANYONE could complete them in the absence of whoever would normally do so. If I suddenly went MIA, any one of you could download the latest version of my standings spreadsheet and update the results to get the new standings. Not so simple if we're tabulating various other inputs to get a result. Still workable, just more likely to encounter problems. Like Cosumar's delay this week (not picking on you, dude, just an example). That's something I learnt in my last job. Always try to keep things as simple as possible. My original database system was too complicated for anyone else to use, so when I was off work sick, I came back to a backlog of work and a panicking manager who hadn't been able to produce reports and analysis on the data.

Don't take this as me saying "no we can't do it" ... its more of a warning that this could make things awkward. And that I much prefer to keep things simple. That's all. If anyone can convince me things will remain relatively simple, I'm on board. I want inter-conference games, and I do want a few changes to the ranking system (why else would I try to create a system based on RPI?) but I'm wary of potentially overcomplicating things.

[Arkinesia]

The World Cup has a good model, I think—their hosts also handle any friendly matches before the qualifying rounds. Maybe we could do conf and non-conf scorinators? And we should also do conference invitations. Maybe we could have one nation on the committee administrate each conference and write formal invitations at the end of each season in the RP threads?

[Michael VII]

Osarius, I'm hoping that you're not thinking about splitting up the Woodlands Conference! I love playing in the Woodlands! It makes for awesome RP material.

[Arkinesia]

Osarius, I'm hoping that you're not thinking about splitting up the Woodlands Conference! I love playing in the Woodlands! It makes for awesome RP material.

The Woodlands is our SEC.

I for one would love to be the administrative nation for that conference (the one who decides who to add to the conference, is what I mean).

ARKINESIA FOR WOODLANDS PRESIDENT o/

[New West Guiana]

Osarius, I'm hoping that you're not thinking about splitting up the Woodlands Conference! I love playing in the Woodlands! It makes for awesome RP material.

Do please make Mineral more balanced. I feel like Boise State a good team but not in a so good conference. Plus i'd give me a reason why I should enjoy rping. Plus new people to bash around.

[Silver Beach]

Interestingly enough, it's the Sequoia Conference that's the most competitive RPing conference(sorry to Big 8 members).

We got 3 teams tied for 1st place that are 8-2, with 4 games remaining, and of course, we still all gotta play my team. I love it. It's like the Big Ten. Except, we don't plan on getting whupped in the postseason

[New West Guiana]

My last rp puts it perfectly

Lets see the last four weeks who do we play, this week we play Blue at home, Blue is sitting at 5-5.
Week 12, We play at East Kilbrid who is happy to be at 4-6.
Week 13, Richardsburg comes to Port Salem to play us at our house, they're 3-7.
Finally week 14 we travel to Caroga who's also 4-6.

Our last four opponents have a total record of 16-24, well that right there says a lot about UPS. I hope come next NSCF season that we are placed in a better conference or some better teams move to the Min. I mean being here doesn't give us much credit, because really when playing against decent teams we're 2-0, then again OCSU isn't a decent team. 6-6 last year when having to play against real teams, us we went 10-2, not bad. We get into the playoffs and get killed 52-28 in the quarter finals, that says something about us then. Oh ya ya let UPS into the playoffs because they're from the min and we'll crush them. Come ON we don't play good teams, which, hurts us in the long run.

My only real punching bag is OCSU and that bag is about to be thrown away.

[Arcatea]

The World Cup has a good model, I think—their hosts also handle any friendly matches before the qualifying rounds. Maybe we could do conf and non-conf scorinators? And we should also do conference invitations. Maybe we could have one nation on the committee administrate each conference and write formal invitations at the end of each season in the RP threads?

If thats the road we are going to go down, I'd be more than willing to scorinate Non-Conference games for NSCF 5.

[Osarius]

The World Cup has a good model, I think

It does. But this is also why I said two people would effectively have to run each season. We could easily rotate that, though so its not an issue. The problem would be whether two people would be willing to undertake that level of work. Three could work too... but I think four is going too far, personally. Again, its a good idea, but will people be comfortable with that?

Even if we did it that way, I still foresee problems on arranging the inter-conference schedule though. If we're gonna have only a few inter conference games, then how are they picked? Does each participant arrange them like we would friendlies in the World Cup? What about the teams who don't arrange any? Do we force them to play random inter-conference games (I'd discourage that) or do they have none? If they have none, that has the potential to drastically complicate ranking and seeding methods. If we give them random ones, they'll most likely end up facing non-RPing teams, be more likely to win, and therefore potentially have an unfair advantage in the rankings. But if we made it NFL style with the conference A plays conference B or whatever... that would possibly be too many games, right? Or too many conferences >_> See where I'm going with this? Like I said before... I like the idea and I want it to happen, but from an administrative perspective, its tricky.



Also, yes, if we were to reshuffle the conferences, we'd kind of have to split up Woodlands. If we have 12 active RPing teams, and 4 are in Woodlands and another 4 in Sequoia... that's completely unbalanced. Don't worry though, it probably won't happen unless we agree on an inter-conference scheduling method AND the general consensus is to re-shuffle the conferences.

[Mytannion]

The World Cup has a good model, I think—their hosts also handle any friendly matches before the qualifying rounds. Maybe we could do conf and non-conf scorinators? And we should also do conference invitations. Maybe we could have one nation on the committee administrate each conference and write formal invitations at the end of each season in the RP threads?

If this happens, invite me, please.

[Michael VII]

Okay, just getting an RP in now, no cutting off until then please!

[Mytannion]

Okay, just getting an RP in now, no cutting off until then please!

I could be so cruel to you right now...

[Mytannion]

Also, Cosumar - can you credit any RP bonus I get to UAD only please.

[Michael VII]

Okay, RP done, cutoffs can occur now!

[Osarius]

lol, Myt... Heartbeat? Really?

[Spitfyred1]

Wow, I only lost to Colden by one. That makes me feel somewhat successful.

[Michael VII]

Oh yeah, Ark, you are behind because of Head-to-Head Points Differential...So, that's why you're currently losing the tiebreaker...

And I like how we're the only truly difficult team on your schedule! haha, can the Wyverns finally beat the Firebirds after 4 attempts?

As for FSU, I am glad that Touffer lost, so I've just got to win out now to get the Automatic playoff spot! But, I think I can only afford one loss, two or three and I think I'm screwed...

[Arkinesia]

If I win out I control my own destiny to that elusive Woodlands Conference title…hopefully Frbiba will be one of those to fall on what looks to be a 7-0 second half run

[Michael VII]

If I win out I control my own destiny to that elusive Woodlands Conference title…hopefully Frbiba will be one of those to fall on what looks to be a 7-0 second half run

In the words of the movie 'Taken'..."Good Luck"

Haha, I'll be happy if I can get by Touffer and hold the tiebreaker there if I win by enough! As for you, I just need to hope to beat you, as I hold the tiebreaker already...And then there's that pesky Jagoza...haha

[Arkinesia]

If I win out I control my own destiny to that elusive Woodlands Conference title…hopefully Frbiba will be one of those to fall on what looks to be a 7-0 second half run

In the words of the movie 'Taken'..."Good Luck"

Haha, I'll be happy if I can get by Touffer and hold the tiebreaker there if I win by enough! As for you, I just need to hope to beat you, as I hold the tiebreaker already...And then there's that pesky Jagoza...haha

Even if I lose to Frbiba, 11-3 is going to be an at-large playoff spot at the worst.

Piddling around with uniforms for a second team to add next season…say hello to an air force academy named after the First Lady!