Nation States College Football (NSCF) Discussion Thread

[Osarius]

They could be a team for proper the other football (soccer, if you must)

Codes of Football in coolness.

Rugby>Grid Iron>Australian>League>Gaelic>Soccer. Yeah, I call the others proper football before soccer!

lol, I only call it "proper" because it was the first. And I'll forgive your blasphemy because you're Kiwi and don't know any better
But for real, I actually have played and enjoyed most other codes. Didn't like Aussie Rules (but I only played once, like 15 years ago) and I've never tried Gaelic football. I just prefer footy. Probably because I'm kind of a little guy and I'm English, ha! Did enjoy playing runningback in amateur trials a few years ago, though... and got battered on the wing in rugby trials, but loved it. Scoring a try kinda feels better than scoring a goal, because it felt like more of an achievement... but its not the same. It's hard to explain.

That said -- and to get back on topic again -- anyone heard from Cosumar? Or have I missed a comment in the various discussions in this thread over the past few days? He's been scorinating a bit later -- around this time -- for the past few matchdays, right? :s

[Mytannion]

That said -- and to get back on topic again -- anyone heard from Cosumar? Or have I missed a comment in the various discussions in this thread over the past few days? He's been scorinating a bit later -- around this time -- for the past few matchdays, right? :s

Haven't the slightest idea where he might be...

Also, talking about the codes of football and all that - if I'm honest, I now consider the two codes of rugby as a different sport - even if they are called 'rugby football ...', nah, they're just rugby union and rugby league now.

Proper football is the number one football (i.e. the one where your feet are used throughout, yeah, take a lucky guess).

[Homelands our]

So we have 5 confrrances of 8 top 2 could do the playoffs (lowest 4 could play a play-in week)
And so on for 3rd and 4th 5th and 6th 7th and 8th so all teams are in the playoffs
The 1/2 final could be called the NSCF bowl the 3/4 final could be the NSCF cup
5/6 could be the NSCF plate and 7/8 final could be the NSCF shield that way you keep the playoffs but also have a bowl system anyway feedback welcome (this is how the teams play in the rugby 7s world cup I think)

[Osarius]

So we have 5 confrrances of 8 top 2 could do the playoffs (lowest 4 could play a play-in week)
And so on for 3rd and 4th 5th and 6th 7th and 8th so all teams are in the playoffs

I don't like that idea at all. The possibility of a team losing every game in the regular season and then getting a trophy out of it? Not a chance.
If people wanna arrange invitational tournaments between those teams, go for it... but I don't think it should be something we arrange as part of NSCF.

[Churchma]

A bowl system similar to the BCS is unrealistic for a league like this. Not to mention, as others have stated, we don't have any cross-conference games, as you only play teams from your conference. Therefore, with a bowl championship, you might get two 14-0 teams that aren't as strong as two 12-2 teams from stronger conferences. Changing the NSCF post-season format to strictly bowl games is not the direction we want to take this league.

Like I've said over and over on this thread, if we want to keep this realistic, it is possible to have a tournament AND a few bowl games. People need to understand something about the bowl games though- the bowl games are not a 3rd place game, or a matchup between playoff teams, or anything like that, the bowl games would ONLY be for teams that DID NOT make the playoffs. For NSCF 5, we could easily implement a playoff structure and bowl structure. For example:

-Each of the conference champions, plus the second best team in each conference are automatically in the playoffs- 10 teams
-The next two teams with the best W-L Record qualify for the last two playoff spots- 2 teams
-The top four seeds, based on W-L Record, and then point differential, receive first round byes.
-The first round matchups would be 5/12, 6/11, 7/10, 8/9
-The 8/9 winner faces the overall 1 seed
-The 5/12 winner faces the overall 4 seed
-The 7/10 winner faces the overall 2 seed
-The 6/11 winner faces the overall 3 seed
-And so on... 1/4, 2/3, etc.

-We then have X number of bowl games, determined in the preseason, that way we're not just throwing together bowl games in the middle of the season. The bowl games don't mean you're in 3rd, 4th, 5th, or even 13th place. Bowl games are simply a chance for a team to make the post season that didn't make it to the playoffs. Ideally we could have the top six teams face each other for bowl games: 1/6, 2/5, 3/4.

[Arcatea]

-We then have X number of bowl games, determined in the preseason, that way we're not just throwing together bowl games in the middle of the season. The bowl games don't mean you're in 3rd, 4th, 5th, or even 13th place. Bowl games are simply a chance for a team to make the post season that didn't make it to the playoffs. Ideally we could have the top six teams face each other for bowl games: 1/6, 2/5, 3/4.

How would the teams be determined? Records? BCS type Ranking? I think that this route would be the best way, and would allow for more teams to be involved in the post-season. Would we also require the teams to be involved in the games to have at least a .500 record like FBS Bowls do?

[Mytannion]

A bowl system similar to the BCS is unrealistic for a league like this. Not to mention, as others have stated, we don't have any cross-conference games, as you only play teams from your conference. Therefore, with a bowl championship, you might get two 14-0 teams that aren't as strong as two 12-2 teams from stronger conferences. Changing the NSCF post-season format to strictly bowl games is not the direction we want to take this league.

So if we do begin implementing cross-conference games, would having a bowl system be a more viable option? If we want to make it more realistic (as in, more like real-life), then surely we should go as far as possible to replicate the BCS bowl system - I'm not sure.. I like both the play-offs and the bowl system, but if we want the community at large to decide which they'd prefer, we need to go that way.

Mainly directed at the underlined part this, please don't tell people what they would want to do and what they would not want to do, it comes across as very condescending.

[Michael VII]

A bowl system similar to the BCS is unrealistic for a league like this. Not to mention, as others have stated, we don't have any cross-conference games, as you only play teams from your conference. Therefore, with a bowl championship, you might get two 14-0 teams that aren't as strong as two 12-2 teams from stronger conferences. Changing the NSCF post-season format to strictly bowl games is not the direction we want to take this league.

So if we do begin implementing cross-conference games, would having a bowl system be a more viable option? If we want to make it more realistic (as in, more like real-life), then surely we should go as far as possible to replicate the BCS bowl system - I'm not sure.. I like both the play-offs and the bowl system, but if we want the community at large to decide which they'd prefer, we need to go that way.

Mainly directed at the underlined part this, please don't tell people what they would want to do and what they would not want to do, it comes across as very condescending.

I say playoffs. As I have stated before it is because otherwise teams can't make a run to the playoffs, FSU would have been out by week 5, Jagoza even earlier, and it would just kill any incentive to RP after losing a couple of games. Let's face it, no bowl system would give a 11-3 FSU the nod over a 13-1 Colden, and I lost in Week One, then Week Five, and then Week Eight. That gives 6 matchdays left for me to just stop RPing and be more interested in the Cup of Harmony. At least with playoffs, FSU can still get second place in the Conference (still 1st mathematically) and therefore make the playoffs.

The great thing about the bowl system is that it makes every week count. But in this, the lower teams don't usually stand much of a chance in the early weeks, so they're out for much of it. I'm opposed to the bowl system and heck, with it last year I'd probably have won! The playoffs were fun, but knocking them to 12 might be good fun with a few extra bowl games for teams with winning records.

But if we're talking about OOC games, I think knock the conference schedule to a single round robin (7 games currently), and then schedule up to 12 (for realism, so 5 games currently) for OOC matchups. Then, perhaps only the Conference Champions get automatic bids (Like FCS) and then the remaining 7 or 11 teams are selected based off of SOS and RPI type judgements (Like March Madness). That would be fun.

But in conclusion, how cool would it be to have another newcomer v legend final? Like a Bucktown v UAD final like last year's FSU v Utica final, having #5 play #2. You don't get that with bowls, have a few consolation bowls if you want but not to determine our overall champion.

[Churchma]

Arcatea-
The six best teams (according to W-L) that don't qualify for the playoffs would be the six teams that qualify for a bowl game. The more I thought about it, I like the idea of 1/2, 3/4, and 5/6 playing in those bowl games. As far as your point about "more teams in the postseason"- I disagree that this is the way we want to go. I think the playoffs (or postseason play in general) should be something that is coveted. I don't think we need to over saturate the postseason by having over half of the teams qualify for bowl games.

Mytannion-
I know you're not from America, so odds are that you haven't been in on the debate that has been going on for years regarding whether or not the FBS (D-1A) should keep the BCS system or change to a playoff system. Under the current bowl system, there have been multiple instances that teams who were undefeated at the end of the regular season were out of luck when it came to the championship because they were from a weaker conference. I don't think a "realistic" bowl system would ever work in NSCF. First of all, the burden of creating a replica of the BCS Formula would be a mess for anyone. I know Osarius (especially) is great with these kinds of things, but it's not fair of anyone to expect him to update the would-be BCS Rankings every week. Second, I can already see the controversy happening between nations that believe they should be in a better bowl game. It would seriously be pure chaos. Third, a large part of the BCS Formula is all of the different polls- and we don't have any polls in the NSCF that are "official". Odds are I could keep going with this, and I will if I have to, but I strongly suggest that we don't take NSCF into direction of only bowl games.

As far as the "mainly directed at the underlined part this, please don't tell people what they would want to do and what they would not want to do, it comes across as very condescending" comment, I think it's safe to say that whenever I'm making a point, I'm doing in the best interest of the league, I'm not doing it to step on someone's toes, or make it seem as if they don't understand things as well as I do. It's just that I am a college football player here in America, and I deal with this kind of stuff everyday. Once again, not to act condescendingly, but I think I probably have the most real-life experience with college football of anyone on this thread, so I think I can voice my opinions and they are worth a little more than two cents. So when I say that we shouldn't make the bowl system the only form of postseason play, just know that there are plenty of reasons I believe that. If I need to go further in depth, that way everyone can have the same understanding that I do, I would love to.

But once again, just to be clear with you, and everyone else, I'm not trying to act like I'm better than you, or anything of that sort; it's just that I simply have had more experiences with college football than the majority of you, so I know I can have some valuable input when we are discussing league issues.

For further BCS formula explanation, click this link.

Nonconference Games
I'd love to implement this, but this would be a big hassle for those who scorinate. If the scorinators were okay with this, I think it would be relatively easy to pick the nonconference games, it would just become the burden of the scorinators to do all of the dirty work. This would be a GREAT RP-booster too.

[Michael VII]

Nonconference Games
I'd love to implement this, but this would be a big hassle for those who scorinate. If the scorinators were okay with this, I think it would be relatively easy to pick the nonconference games, it would just become the burden of the scorinators to do all of the dirty work. This would be a GREAT RP-booster too.

As a scorinator, I'm happy enough to do it.

The way it works is that Conference records are what matters, so we just get the conference scorinators to scorinate their IC matches like usual, which will come up easily enough on the table. Then, after that, the Overall table could just be figured out by adding to the scores in the standings. After all, OOC games don't really mean too much, seeing as IC play matters the most. OOC could just be a great RP add. Which I want!

As for DI-FBS, there should be a playoff instead of the Bowl System. I reckon a 16 team playoff, or 8 team playoff would be better.

[Arkinesia]

I would offer to do non-conf scorinating. We could arrange a method to give players some options on how to arrange non-conf games. It would allow folks to have a couple of open game days.

[Churchma]

Michael VII-
There will never be a playoff system in D1-FBS. There is WAY too much money involved in the bowl games, and the greedy power conferences will never, ever, want to lose that money. The kind of money that floats around for BCS-Automatic Bid qualifying conferences is absolutely ridiculous. Think about the SEC- they have at least eight out of 12 teams make a bowl game on a consistent basis- with each bowl game paying in the millions of dollars. Then the conference splits that money up evenly with the schools in the conference.

Not to mention, a 16-team, and even an eight-team playoff wouldn't work because of how long the season already lasts. A 16-team playoff would most likely mean that the national championship teams would play 17 games in a season. Unless you've played football before, I don't think anyone has any idea what 17 weeks would do to you mentally and physically. My team (in D2) has currently played 11 games and our 12th game (first round of the playoffs) is tomorrow and I feel exhausted already!

Arkinesia-
I like the idea of allowing each nation to decide amongst themselves what their nonconference games should be, but I think we would need to go back to the drawing board if we're going to adjust the schedules. Say we wanted to add two nonconference games to everyone's schedule- we need to keep the regular season at 14 games or less. The only way we could keep 14 games or less in the regular season is by adding one conference (up to six conferences), with each conference only having seven teams, instead of eight teams. So there would be 42 teams in NSCF 5, 6 conferences with 7 teams each; which makes 12 conference games and 2 nonconference games. Then of course we could just have the top two teams from each conference earn the right to the 12-team playoff at the end of the year.

[Michael VII]

Michael VII-
There will never be a playoff system in D1-FBS. There is WAY too much money involved in the bowl games, and the greedy power conferences will never, ever, want to lose that money. The kind of money that floats around for BCS-Automatic Bid qualifying conferences is absolutely ridiculous. Think about the SEC- they have at least eight out of 12 teams make a bowl game on a consistent basis- with each bowl game paying in the millions of dollars. Then the conference splits that money up evenly with the schools in the conference.

Not to mention, a 16-team, and even an eight-team playoff wouldn't work because of how long the season already lasts. A 16-team playoff would most likely mean that the national championship teams would play 17 games in a season. Unless you've played football before, I don't think anyone has any idea what 17 weeks would do to you mentally and physically. My team (in D2) has currently played 11 games and our 12th game (first round of the playoffs) is tomorrow and I feel exhausted already!

Arkinesia-
I like the idea of allowing each nation to decide amongst themselves what their nonconference games should be, but I think we would need to go back to the drawing board if we're going to adjust the schedules. Say we wanted to add two nonconference games to everyone's schedule- we need to keep the regular season at 14 games or less. The only way we could keep 14 games or less in the regular season is by adding one conference (up to six conferences), with each conference only having seven teams, instead of eight teams. So there would be 42 teams in NSCF 5, 6 conferences with 7 teams each; which makes 12 conference games and 2 nonconference games. Then of course we could just have the top two teams from each conference earn the right to the 12-team playoff at the end of the year.

Haha, I know there will never be a playoff system in DI-FBS, but as a BYU and Boise State fan, I'd really like there to be one so my teams can play on the national stage, (not so much BYU, but a few years ago yes). But as for the season going to long, DI-FCS teams have to play 11 regular season games, plus up to 5 weeks of playoffs, so if its good enough for them, why isn't it for FBS? Sorry, I don't know much about D2, so I don't know how long your seasons and playoffs are.

As for your OOC point, how about single round robin matchups and 5 Non-Conference games? Or in failing that, set the 8 team conferences in two divisions, play your division twice (6 games), plus the other teams once (10 games), and then up to four OOC games? I quite like that idea, but it depends if you want a 12 game (IRL) schedule or a 14 game schedule. But I would have to humbly demand that my division have Utica, Arkinesia and Jagoza in it! haha

[New West Guiana]

I'd like to see the BCS adopt a playoff system because like last night when ISU beat OSU, with the current system you don't know who is truly the better team. The Cyclones were supposed to lose by 28+ points yet they beat OSU in OT, so really LSU just because they're number one in the AP poll doesn't mean they are the best. But like you said Churchma, it's about the money no school really cares about good old fashioned football anymore, they only want the huge sums of cash that a big game will bring in.

As for your OOC point, how about single round robin matchups and 5 Non-Conference games? Or in failing that, set the 8 team conferences in two divisions, play your division twice (6 games), plus the other teams once (10 games), and then up to four OOC games? I quite like that idea, but it depends if you want a 12 game (IRL) schedule or a 14 game schedule.

I like the bolded how ever I don't care for 14 games college football shouldn't look like the NFL with so many reg. season games.

[Silver Beach]

Anyone know where Cosumar is? He's usually the last to scorinate(which I like cause I can post late RPs then ) but this is a full two days later. He usually scorinates, so I trust him to do so again... but just wondering.

[Silver Beach]

Never mind, we found him

[Osarius]

I like the bolded how ever I don't care for 14 games college football shouldn't look like the NFL with so many reg. season games.

We have a 14 game regular season now...

[Arkinesia]

Michael VII-
There will never be a playoff system in D1-FBS. There is WAY too much money involved in the bowl games, and the greedy power conferences will never, ever, want to lose that money. The kind of money that floats around for BCS-Automatic Bid qualifying conferences is absolutely ridiculous. Think about the SEC- they have at least eight out of 12 teams make a bowl game on a consistent basis- with each bowl game paying in the millions of dollars. Then the conference splits that money up evenly with the schools in the conference.

Not to mention, a 16-team, and even an eight-team playoff wouldn't work because of how long the season already lasts. A 16-team playoff would most likely mean that the national championship teams would play 17 games in a season. Unless you've played football before, I don't think anyone has any idea what 17 weeks would do to you mentally and physically. My team (in D2) has currently played 11 games and our 12th game (first round of the playoffs) is tomorrow and I feel exhausted already!

Actually…the money is not true.

BCS conferences would stand to make about $1 billion more each in 2010 with a playoff system in place on TV revenues alone. I think the time limitations are more the concern than anything, because money certainly isn't the issue.

[Mytannion]

Mytannion-
I know you're not from America, so odds are that you haven't been in on the debate that has been going on for years regarding whether or not the FBS (D-1A) should keep the BCS system or change to a playoff system. Under the current bowl system, there have been multiple instances that teams who were undefeated at the end of the regular season were out of luck when it came to the championship because they were from a weaker conference. I don't think a "realistic" bowl system would ever work in NSCF. First of all, the burden of creating a replica of the BCS Formula would be a mess for anyone. I know Osarius (especially) is great with these kinds of things, but it's not fair of anyone to expect him to update the would-be BCS Rankings every week. Second, I can already see the controversy happening between nations that believe they should be in a better bowl game. It would seriously be pure chaos. Third, a large part of the BCS Formula is all of the different polls- and we don't have any polls in the NSCF that are "official". Odds are I could keep going with this, and I will if I have to, but I strongly suggest that we don't take NSCF into direction of only bowl games.

As far as the "mainly directed at the underlined part this, please don't tell people what they would want to do and what they would not want to do, it comes across as very condescending" comment, I think it's safe to say that whenever I'm making a point, I'm doing in the best interest of the league, I'm not doing it to step on someone's toes, or make it seem as if they don't understand things as well as I do. It's just that I am a college football player here in America, and I deal with this kind of stuff everyday. Once again, not to act condescendingly, but I think I probably have the most real-life experience with college football of anyone on this thread, so I think I can voice my opinions and they are worth a little more than two cents. So when I say that we shouldn't make the bowl system the only form of postseason play, just know that there are plenty of reasons I believe that. If I need to go further in depth, that way everyone can have the same understanding that I do, I would love to.

But once again, just to be clear with you, and everyone else, I'm not trying to act like I'm better than you, or anything of that sort; it's just that I simply have had more experiences with college football than the majority of you, so I know I can have some valuable input when we are discussing league issues.

For further BCS formula explanation, click this link.

I understand the problems that would come up with installing a bowl system in the NSCF - as I've said, I like both systems (both the bowl and play-offs), so I'm really not too bothered, but I think the whole NSCF community should have a say in this, not just a few people. If more people want a bowl system to be the system, then surely we should go as far as possible to reach a realistic system, as that is what people want. It would be a tough thing to start-up, but if we could do it, and it was what people want - then surely we should do what the NSCF community as a whole want to do, I don't know..

I understand you want to do the best for the league, it was just that particular comment came across as sort of 'we've got to do this as it is the best thing to do for everyone', which seemed a little patronising honestly. I understand you play the sport and thus probably understand the inner workings of the sport and its' respective competitions better than most, but when you are almost telling people what to think, that seems a little unfair - as people should be free to their own opinion really..

Anyway, on out of conference games - I'd be fine scorinating them, as long as I know which ones I'm scorinating waaaaaaaay beforehand. Me and Civil Citizenry (Touffer University), are planning on running our domestic college football seasons as an intertwining thing, and there will be out of conference games between teams in Mytanar conferences and teams in Citiz conferences, this will be a sort of roadtest for scorinating out of conference games, we're organising the details currently, but look out for it.

[Osarius]

A slight derailment, but the standings are updated.

[Arcatea]

So if we go down the road of adding Non-Conference games, would we add more games to the season, or take a few away (so that teams play in conference teams only once rather than twice). Because I think if we add non-conference games, we should make the conferences smaller so the season won't last as long. It all depends if we want to look more like NCAA or the NFL.... NFL has more out of "conference"(read that as division) play, where the NCAA only has 3 or 4 out of conference games, and only plays each conference team once.

Or even another suggestion, would be to divide the conferences into two halfs, you play each team in your division twice, and the other division once, while still having a few out of conference games. Now I know that would create a HUGE headache and extra work for those who are scorinating. I'd really like to see some of our conference games, I think that would add a lot more excitement to the game, and we'd be able to see which conference are really stronger than others.

[Civil Citizenry]

So if we go down the road of adding Non-Conference games, would we add more games to the season, or take a few away (so that teams play in conference teams only once rather than twice). Because I think if we add non-conference games, we should make the conferences smaller so the season won't last as long. It all depends if we want to look more like NCAA or the NFL.... NFL has more out of "conference"(read that as division) play, where the NCAA only has 3 or 4 out of conference games, and only plays each conference team once.

Or even another suggestion, would be to divide the conferences into two halfs, you play each team in your division twice, and the other division once, while still having a few out of conference games. Now I know that would create a HUGE headache and extra work for those who are scorinating. I'd really like to see some of our conference games, I think that would add a lot more excitement to the game, and we'd be able to see which conference are really stronger than others.

The two bolded parts have both been suggested before, and they both have its merits. Personally, I would prefer to keep the conferences whole and have a single round-robin intra-conference format - which is more like the NCAA, where you don't play your conference opponents more than once in a season.

As to the ability of scorinating hosts to handle out-of-conference games, I've long believed it's possible. Mytannion mentioned that he and I are starting a college football league together that will implement non-conference games. Is it extra work for us? Yes. But if we're successful at forming a smooth league, we both hope it can serve to test the viability of non-conference games.

Separately, I'm of the belief that we could, theoretically, have a bowl system if the NSCF introduces non-conference games. We don't have to have a ranking system as complex and bewildering as the RL BCS. We could have something along the lines of a once-an-RL-week-updated ranking system where the five hosts send in their top ten and Osarius or someone of the like compiles it into one ranking. That is the system that was used for seeding the NSCAA 3 tournament last year. It's also possible we could integrate Osarius's regular ranking (not the power rankings he makes, as superb as they are) into the host-created polls, just like how the BCS mixes individual rankings with a computer-automated system.

Having host-made polls might help alleviate concerns about undefeated teams from weak conferences being unable to leapfrog one- or two-loss teams from strong conferences; certain hosts may have different opinions on whether, for example, Colden is better than Arkinesia or something. With that would come more accuracy in determining which teams go to which bowls.

[Arcatea]

The two bolded parts have both been suggested before, and they both have its merits. Personally, I would prefer to keep the conferences whole and have a single round-robin intra-conference format - which is more like the NCAA, where you don't play your conference opponents more than once in a season.

As to the ability of scorinating hosts to handle out-of-conference games, I've long believed it's possible. Mytannion mentioned that he and I are starting a college football league together that will implement non-conference games. Is it extra work for us? Yes. But if we're successful at forming a smooth league, we both hope it can serve to test the viability of non-conference games.

Separately, I'm of the belief that we could, theoretically, have a bowl system if the NSCF introduces non-conference games. We don't have to have a ranking system as complex and bewildering as the RL BCS. We could have something along the lines of a once-an-RL-week-updated ranking system where the five hosts send in their top ten and Osarius or someone of the like compiles it into one ranking. That is the system that was used for seeding the NSCAA 3 tournament last year. It's also possible we could integrate Osarius's regular ranking (not the power rankings he makes, as superb as they are) into the host-created polls, just like how the BCS mixes individual rankings with a computer-automated system.

Having host-made polls might help alleviate concerns about undefeated teams from weak conferences being unable to leapfrog one- or two-loss teams from strong conferences; certain hosts may have different opinions on whether, for example, Colden is better than Arkinesia or something. With that would come more accuracy in determining which teams go to which bowls.

I think the single game round robin would be a great idea, and give everyone the chance to pick which out of conference teams they play. Bowls would be nice, but even without a BCS-style rankings, you still run the risk of having a Boise State or Utah like scenario, where a team goes undefeated in a weak conference doesn't get into the "Championship Bowl" because there may be teams from stronger conferences who have one loss, or what have you. I'd be behind either system, playoff or Bowl. If we continue with the Playoffs, I think a "NIT"-type tournament would be fun
(where the last 8 teams or so who didn't make the regular playoffs, have a playoff) and I'd even be willing to host something like that this season, even if it isn't NSCF-sponsored.

[Yesopalitha]

First, I would like to state that I almost insist in being part of NSCF 5, when that comes around.

As a newcomer, reading all that you have done so far, I must admit that I am pleased. You guys have done a wonderful job transferring RL into NS.

I personally like the One game per team in Conference plus out of conference idea. Perhaps we could have a 10 game season, with three Out-of-Conference games, then seven games in Conference. This can be followed by the Playoffs. (Eight Teams)

Out-of-Conference Games provide more RPing weight. Also, it will add another dimension to the three playoff spots not decided by Conference Champion. All the Conference Champions would get an automatic playoff berth, but the other three spots would be decided by overall record, and not the in-conference records. It would add a level of intrigue into the season.

If I'm being a bit brash for a newcomer, I apologize, but these are just some ideas that I had.

Thanks!

[Michael VII]

I'd like to see the BCS adopt a playoff system because like last night when ISU beat OSU, with the current system you don't know who is truly the better team. The Cyclones were supposed to lose by 28+ points yet they beat OSU in OT, so really LSU just because they're number one in the AP poll doesn't mean they are the best. But like you said Churchma, it's about the money no school really cares about good old fashioned football anymore, they only want the huge sums of cash that a big game will bring in.

As for your OOC point, how about single round robin matchups and 5 Non-Conference games? Or in failing that, set the 8 team conferences in two divisions, play your division twice (6 games), plus the other teams once (10 games), and then up to four OOC games? I quite like that idea, but it depends if you want a 12 game (IRL) schedule or a 14 game schedule.

I like the bolded how ever I don't care for 14 games college football shouldn't look like the NFL with so many reg. season games.

Upsets happen, especially in college football! That's why ISU beat OSU, why TTU beat OU, why BSU lost to TCU. Hell, that's why Oregon beat Stanford. Upsets happen all the time, so the BCS system is so flawed. The only two deserving (undefeated) schools left are LSU and Houston, that's what I'm hoping for, but because that won't happen because Houston can't make as much of a cash cow as the B_CSwants, I want an Oklahoma v LSU NCG now, and for Okla to win!

As for your point about my idea, I would quite like a 12 game schedule, single round robin plus 5 OOC games or even the whole 2RR Division 1RR Conference thing with 2 OOC games. But I'm happy enough with 14 games, and I want to continue playing Utica twice, but playing too many games (14<) is just ridiculous and unrealistic. Can we put this up to vote for NSCF 5? Two scorinators have stated that they don't mind scorinating OOC games (me and Ark), so OOC games aren't a huge deal at the moment. And also the length of the season whether it be 12 or 14 games long. (Dependent on what we want next year, but consider my idea backed by me! haha)