NATION

PASSWORD

General Sports Roleplaying Questions (OOC)

A battle ground for the sportsmen and women of nations worldwide. [In character]

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Liventia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6055
Founded: Feb 04, 2008
New York Times Democracy

Postby Liventia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:25 pm

Dunnes wrote:So I’ve been wanting to host a cycling stage race my whole time on NS, however I don’t know of any conciveable way of scorinating such an event. Does anyone know of any non-xkoranate scorinators that would work, or should I look into somehow creating my own?

I believe Buyan is in the midst of fine-tuning his.

User avatar
Starblaydia
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 3993
Founded: Apr 05, 2004
Father Knows Best State

Postby Starblaydia » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:46 pm

Tribe of Rinos wrote:
Starblaydia wrote:Essentially only roleplays about sports that would break the site's TOS would be inherently banned. If it's a sport, real or invented you can probably get away with representing it in NS.

Whether there's a fair or standard method for generating results or not, that's another matter.

So hypothetically, would something like, say, gladiatorial competitions be banned? My guess is yes

There's no inherent reason I can see why it would not be allowed.
Six-Time World Cup Committee President (WCs 25-33, 46-51 & 82*)
Co-host of World Cups 20, 40 & 80 • Di Bradini Cup Organiser
World Cups 30 & 63 Runner-Up • World Cup 27 Third Place • 25th Baptism of Fire Runner-Up
Six-Time AOCAF Cup Champions • Two-time U21, One-Time U18 WC Champions • Men's Football Olympic Champions, Ashford Games
Five-Time Cherry Cup Champions • 1st Quidditch World Cup Champions • WGPC8 Drivers' Champion
The Protectorate of Starblaydia
Commended by WA Security Council Resolution #40
Five-Time NS World Cup Champions (WCs 25, 28, 41, 44 & 47)

AO4LIFE

User avatar
Buyan
Diplomat
 
Posts: 786
Founded: Jul 13, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Buyan » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:07 am

Liventia wrote:
Dunnes wrote:So I’ve been wanting to host a cycling stage race my whole time on NS, however I don’t know of any conciveable way of scorinating such an event. Does anyone know of any non-xkoranate scorinators that would work, or should I look into somehow creating my own?

I believe Buyan is in the midst of fine-tuning his.


And having to admit - still in the midst. Good news, this weekend I have class, which ironically should give me some time to progress.
From Some Village
'Bu', like in 'book'. 'Yan' like the cyclist 'Jan Ullrich'.
RP Population: 22 million
Overenthusiast and slightly naive Republic ruled by Sil Moen
State of Economy: deplorable
Weather: cold
Atmosphere: less depressing than before, but only a bit


User avatar
Tribe of Rinos
Diplomat
 
Posts: 802
Founded: Dec 20, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tribe of Rinos » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:51 am

What do I make if I’m checking how many people would be interested in a sport?
Ta Ta! Come again, or I'll pluck out your eyes!
-SHEOGORATH

User avatar
Liventia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6055
Founded: Feb 04, 2008
New York Times Democracy

Postby Liventia » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:00 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Hey guys does NS have racing championships?

Horse racing? Yes, now and then – Newmanistan or Equestrian States can probably help you out with more information.

Motor racing? Yes; stock car racing (Newmanistan again), GT racing (Hodori Motorsports) and Formula One racing (historically myself, but nowadays Audioslavia) have all had championships on NS.
Last edited by Liventia on Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:01 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Starblaydia
Forum Moderator
 
Posts: 3993
Founded: Apr 05, 2004
Father Knows Best State

Postby Starblaydia » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:48 am

Tribe of Rinos wrote:What do I make if I’m checking how many people would be interested in a sport?

If it's something with no history on the forum, an interest thread where you explain how you'd like to have the sport run would be useful. You can get specific advice, see if anyone has any burning ideas on how to do it, and generally find out if there's any likelihood of running it.

The interest thread can naturally morph into being a signup thread and a new sport can even be worth running with only a handful of nations involved, just to get your feet wet and see if it's actually fun to RP. It's all good experience.
Six-Time World Cup Committee President (WCs 25-33, 46-51 & 82*)
Co-host of World Cups 20, 40 & 80 • Di Bradini Cup Organiser
World Cups 30 & 63 Runner-Up • World Cup 27 Third Place • 25th Baptism of Fire Runner-Up
Six-Time AOCAF Cup Champions • Two-time U21, One-Time U18 WC Champions • Men's Football Olympic Champions, Ashford Games
Five-Time Cherry Cup Champions • 1st Quidditch World Cup Champions • WGPC8 Drivers' Champion
The Protectorate of Starblaydia
Commended by WA Security Council Resolution #40
Five-Time NS World Cup Champions (WCs 25, 28, 41, 44 & 47)

AO4LIFE

User avatar
A m e n r i a
Minister
 
Posts: 2608
Founded: Jun 08, 2017
Democratic Socialists

Postby A m e n r i a » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:56 am

Liventia wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Hey guys does NS have racing championships?

Horse racing? Yes, now and then – Newmanistan or Equestrian States can probably help you out with more information.

Motor racing? Yes; stock car racing (Newmanistan again), GT racing (Hodori Motorsports) and Formula One racing (historically myself, but nowadays Audioslavia) have all had championships on NS.


Cool, thanks. Now, to find an open signup thread...

User avatar
Tribe of Rinos
Diplomat
 
Posts: 802
Founded: Dec 20, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tribe of Rinos » Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:19 am

Starblaydia wrote:
Tribe of Rinos wrote:What do I make if I’m checking how many people would be interested in a sport?

If it's something with no history on the forum, an interest thread where you explain how you'd like to have the sport run would be useful. You can get specific advice, see if anyone has any burning ideas on how to do it, and generally find out if there's any likelihood of running it.

The interest thread can naturally morph into being a signup thread and a new sport can even be worth running with only a handful of nations involved, just to get your feet wet and see if it's actually fun to RP. It's all good experience.

I’ve done rps in P2TM and F7. That’s about it
Ta Ta! Come again, or I'll pluck out your eyes!
-SHEOGORATH

User avatar
95X
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1119
Founded: Sep 30, 2004
Capitalist Paradise

Re: Sports RP Interest

Postby 95X » Thu Feb 01, 2018 2:59 pm

Tribe of Rinos wrote:I’ve done rps in P2TM and F7. That’s about it
Speaking as someone who has tried to RP in Portal to the Multiverse, the biggest upfront differences between the two is we don't have a dedicated chat thread for RP interest—just search to see if it's been done before and if it hasn't, or hasn't been done for a verh long time, feel free to start a thread titled "(sport) Interest Thread" and ask. The second difference is using a scorinator, a custom-programmed random number statistics-based score generator, to generate results of each match. The third is signups generally consist of users posting "signing up" using the nation they're signing up with instead of an application that is discussed with the other participants.

Overall, welcome to NS Sports, hope your time here is pleasant.
Voting No on WA I-976
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
Atlantian Oceania. The Place.
“An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field.”—Niels Bohr
“If you want to read books, read books.”—Dennis James
AOCAF 22 & 47 Champions! • Volleyball World Expo 1, 2, 4 & 7 Champions!

User avatar
Tribe of Rinos
Diplomat
 
Posts: 802
Founded: Dec 20, 2016
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Tribe of Rinos » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:33 pm

95X wrote:
Tribe of Rinos wrote:I’ve done rps in P2TM and F7. That’s about it
Speaking as someone who has tried to RP in Portal to the Multiverse, the biggest upfront differences between the two is we don't have a dedicated chat thread for RP interest—just search to see if it's been done before and if it hasn't, or hasn't been done for a verh long time, feel free to start a thread titled "(sport) Interest Thread" and ask. The second difference is using a scorinator, a custom-programmed random number statistics-based score generator, to generate results of each match. The third is signups generally consist of users posting "signing up" using the nation they're signing up with instead of an application that is discussed with the other participants.

Overall, welcome to NS Sports, hope your time here is pleasant.

1.)As far as I know, it hasn’t been done

2.)And there is the problem.

3.)So people just say “signing up”?
Ta Ta! Come again, or I'll pluck out your eyes!
-SHEOGORATH

User avatar
Mattijana
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1487
Founded: Jan 03, 2014
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Mattijana » Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:34 am

1: NS Sports has been knocking around for so long that we’ve given pretty much everything a go. Having said that, if you’re really into something that hasn’t been done for a while or isn’t a mainstream thing, you’re very welcome to give it a go by creating an interest thread as said above.

2: If you’re wondering about scorinators, the most widely used is Commerce Height’s behemoth that is Xkoranate. It contains formulas for almost everything that’s ever been done on NS Sports and is relatively easy to use. More specific formulas for Football (soccer), American Football (football) and rugby also exist.
Hosting (having a competition in your own country in return for taking on the scorination rights) is generally done by people with a little more experience, so don’t get too fussed about it yet. If you open your sport to host bids and gather enough interest, a capable host will likely step in.

3: Yep! There’s a few exceptions such as the Olympics, WGPC (F1) and NSTT (tennis) where you have to register your players as part of the signup, but pretty much all team sports use ‘signing up’ or even just ‘in’. Further information is posted as rosters and RPs in the IC threads. Go to one of those and there should be plenty of examples.

Hope this helps! Enjoy your time on NS Sports.
The socialist republic of Mattijana:
As if Austria, Slovenia, North-Eastern Europe and Sweden were merged together into some weird stew of a country.
through resilience, we are strong!

User avatar
Valdiu
Minister
 
Posts: 2136
Founded: Jun 25, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Valdiu » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:08 am

I'm a bit of an esports enthusiast, and I'd like to set up an intranational esports league just for fun. However, xKoranate doesn't have anything for Counter-Strike style esports (in which there are eliminations and objectives) and I was wondering whether anyone has or whether anyone could teach me to write an XML file for something like that.

Thanks!
| [0] | [1] | [2] | [3] | [4] | [5] | [6] | [7] |
[Mobilization Underway]
Population: 32,263,671
Military size: ~350,000, T3R: 2.7/1
The Republic of Valdiu
16-year old and social democrat
Jazz trombonist, cynic and student journalist
I enjoy CS:GO.
I hate the idea that someone out there hates me. I even hate that Al-Qaeda hates me. I think if they got to know me they wouldn’t hate me.

President Alexander Sterling | Vice President Aaron Victoria | Director of Foreign Affairs Mitchell Thromright

-
Currently Playing | Mr. Rogers 2020

User avatar
South Covello
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 158
Founded: Nov 24, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby South Covello » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:09 am

Starblaydia wrote:
Tribe of Rinos wrote:So hypothetically, would something like, say, gladiatorial competitions be banned? My guess is yes

There's no inherent reason I can see why it would not be allowed.


Graphic, gory descriptions of the results of the gladiator fights would likely not be allowed. However, if you keep it PG-13 and within the site’s rules, it should be allowed. The only competition I can recall being disallowed since I’ve been here was a Muslim hunting contest.

User avatar
Juvencus
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 439
Founded: Nov 29, 2016
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Juvencus » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:50 am

South Covello wrote:
Starblaydia wrote:There's no inherent reason I can see why it would not be allowed.


Graphic, gory descriptions of the results of the gladiator fights would likely not be allowed. However, if you keep it PG-13 and within the site’s rules, it should be allowed. The only competition I can recall being disallowed since I’ve been here was a Muslim hunting contest.

The most graphic and gory description I can think of in any esport is a headshot and usually the heads don't pop out in games.

User avatar
Damukuni
Diplomat
 
Posts: 560
Founded: Jan 31, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Damukuni » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:10 pm

Valdiu wrote:I'm a bit of an esports enthusiast, and I'd like to set up an intranational esports league just for fun. However, xKoranate doesn't have anything for Counter-Strike style esports (in which there are eliminations and objectives) and I was wondering whether anyone has or whether anyone could teach me to write an XML file for something like that.

I've thought of starting some sort of LCS-inspired e-sports event myself. Some people suggested to me that (for League of Legends, at least) the American and Canadian football stuff would work for kill totals...
In the CS:GO or Call of Duty worlds, I'd say edit the volleyball scorination file to set the maximum score to the total number of kills needed to win. Just my suggestion.
THE UNITED STATES OF DAMUKUNI
Esportiva's World Assembly Delegate and Chief Executive

Host of the Campionato Esportivano di Campeones and the Champions' League Twenty20
Podium Finishes: 4th (CoH 69), SF (Veergati T20 1)
Host: CE 22

User avatar
Dannesberg
Civilian
 
Posts: 1
Founded: Sep 04, 2017
Ex-Nation

Programs

Postby Dannesberg » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:44 am

What programs do you need to run a football (soccer) simulation?

User avatar
Lisander
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1138
Founded: Feb 09, 2013
Democratic Socialists

Postby Lisander » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:47 pm

Dannesberg wrote:What programs do you need to run a football (soccer) simulation?


xkoranate is enough for most users, unless you want to have complete stats, goalscorers and stuff like that, then you'll need another method.
The Principality of Lisander
Sports Newswire | Guilde des Graphistes | Fencing

User avatar
Jabalia
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 7
Founded: Feb 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jabalia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:36 pm

Hello, I've been reading this sub-forum since a couple of days ago, I'm interested in taking part here, so I created today this nation to get involved specifically in the sport of football, I have a couple of questions about things that haven't cleared up on my mind since I started to check this site.

1) There's a football league system or something like that, to the style of UEFA/AFC competitions?
2) How can I take part of a WC? There are requirements or something per se?
3) Which RP style is the most common? In-game narratives, international interaction or something else?
4) What is a style modifier? Which are the mechanics of said system?

I hope somebody clears my panorama by answering this, it'd be so much help for me because I'd finish to build my mental puzzle.

User avatar
Northwest Kalactin
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1217
Founded: Aug 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Northwest Kalactin » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:46 pm

Jabalia wrote:Hello, I've been reading this sub-forum since a couple of days ago, I'm interested in taking part here, so I created today this nation to get involved specifically in the sport of football, I have a couple of questions about things that haven't cleared up on my mind since I started to check this site.

1) There's a football league system or something like that, to the style of UEFA/AFC competitions?
2) How can I take part of a WC? There are requirements or something per se?
3) Which RP style is the most common? In-game narratives, international interaction or something else?
4) What is a style modifier? Which are the mechanics of said system?

I hope somebody clears my panorama by answering this, it'd be so much help for me because I'd finish to build my mental puzzle.

Question 1: Yes there is it’s called the UICA and anyone can enter

Question 2: Although there are no requirements to enter qualifiers you must qualify to make it to the actual WC finals

Question 3: Game recaps are definitely the most common way of RPing although you can write about anything from crazy side stroys to how a player joined you national team

Question 4: a Style modifier is used in the scorinaton process you will most likely want to post it in your roster it ranges from and decimal from +5 (super offensive) to -5 (super defense) so for example my national teams style modifier is -1.40
All India football league 1 champion
World Twenty20 Championship X Champion
all India cricket blast 1
RP population: 19 million
Call me NK
AO4LIFE
I don’t use NS stats

User avatar
Drawkland
Minister
 
Posts: 3168
Founded: Aug 27, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Drawkland » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:55 pm

Jabalia wrote:Hello, I've been reading this sub-forum since a couple of days ago, I'm interested in taking part here, so I created today this nation to get involved specifically in the sport of football, I have a couple of questions about things that haven't cleared up on my mind since I started to check this site.

1) There's a football league system or something like that, to the style of UEFA/AFC competitions?
2) How can I take part of a WC? There are requirements or something per se?
3) Which RP style is the most common? In-game narratives, international interaction or something else?
4) What is a style modifier? Which are the mechanics of said system?

I hope somebody clears my panorama by answering this, it'd be so much help for me because I'd finish to build my mental puzzle.

Welcome to NS Sports! We hope you enjoy your time here. I can answer these questions for you, and just ask if you need further clarification.

1) Yes there is! Unfortunately it just now finished its most recent iteration. Here is the thread where results are posted, you can read around on there to see how things generally operate. If you want to see the most recent iteration of the competition, see here!

2) You can take part in the World Cup immediately if you'd like. There are no requirements, all you have to do is post on the signup thread and you'll be entered. As for actually participating, you can post a roster and RPs, although it seems you've figured that out already.

3) The bread and butter of the subforum here is definitely match reports, basically like news articles detailing the results of the most recent matches. Other commonalities include character-based RPs that revolve around players, managers, or other influential sporting figures in the tournament. Some users have been known to write world-building RPs or even completely unrelated prose they've written. In any case, any RP will do. To get your feet on the ground and really find your nation/national team's character, it's easiest to start with match reports.

4) Style modifiers are numbers inputted into the scorinator (score generating program used by the tournament hosts) which reflect a team's tendencies. The numbers range from +5, an all-out attacking squad that goes for goals and neglects defense, to -5, an ultra-defensive team which mainly tries to block the opposition from scoring at all costs before considering scoring themselves. 0 is balanced, which means a team is equally offensive and defensive. Any numbers in between follow the same pattern on a scale. Basically positive numbers are offensive and negative numbers are defensive, and the closer to 5 you get the more extreme the tactics are.

From a technical standpoint, the style modifier can affect the amount of goals scored in a game. It won't change the result of the match (if Team A beats Team B by 2-1 before calculating the style mods, the scorinator won't make Team B win 2-3 just because Team B is +5). It only affects the amount of goals scored by both teams, and sometimes the margin depending on which formula of style mod is used, but never the final result.

I hope these answers were detailed and explanatory enough to help you out. Have fun! :)
United Dalaran wrote:Goddammit, comrade. I just knew that someday some wild, capitalist, imperialist interstellar empire will swallow our country.

CN on the RMB wrote:drawkland's leader has survived so many assassination attempts that I am fairly certain he is fidel castro in disguise
The INTERSTELLAR EMPIRE of DRAWKLAND
____________________
Founder of Sonnel. IBO President. Legendary. Rule 33.

User avatar
Jabalia
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 7
Founded: Feb 14, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Jabalia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:08 pm

Drawkland wrote:
Jabalia wrote:Hello, I've been reading this sub-forum since a couple of days ago, I'm interested in taking part here, so I created today this nation to get involved specifically in the sport of football, I have a couple of questions about things that haven't cleared up on my mind since I started to check this site.

1) There's a football league system or something like that, to the style of UEFA/AFC competitions?
2) How can I take part of a WC? There are requirements or something per se?
3) Which RP style is the most common? In-game narratives, international interaction or something else?
4) What is a style modifier? Which are the mechanics of said system?

I hope somebody clears my panorama by answering this, it'd be so much help for me because I'd finish to build my mental puzzle.

Welcome to NS Sports! We hope you enjoy your time here. I can answer these questions for you, and just ask if you need further clarification.

1) Yes there is! Unfortunately it just now finished its most recent iteration. Here is the thread where results are posted, you can read around on there to see how things generally operate. If you want to see the most recent iteration of the competition, see here!

2) You can take part in the World Cup immediately if you'd like. There are no requirements, all you have to do is post on the signup thread and you'll be entered. As for actually participating, you can post a roster and RPs, although it seems you've figured that out already.

3) The bread and butter of the subforum here is definitely match reports, basically like news articles detailing the results of the most recent matches. Other commonalities include character-based RPs that revolve around players, managers, or other influential sporting figures in the tournament. Some users have been known to write world-building RPs or even completely unrelated prose they've written. In any case, any RP will do. To get your feet on the ground and really find your nation/national team's character, it's easiest to start with match reports.

4) Style modifiers are numbers inputted into the scorinator (score generating program used by the tournament hosts) which reflect a team's tendencies. The numbers range from +5, an all-out attacking squad that goes for goals and neglects defense, to -5, an ultra-defensive team which mainly tries to block the opposition from scoring at all costs before considering scoring themselves. 0 is balanced, which means a team is equally offensive and defensive. Any numbers in between follow the same pattern on a scale. Basically positive numbers are offensive and negative numbers are defensive, and the closer to 5 you get the more extreme the tactics are.

From a technical standpoint, the style modifier can affect the amount of goals scored in a game. It won't change the result of the match (if Team A beats Team B by 2-1 before calculating the style mods, the scorinator won't make Team B win 2-3 just because Team B is +5). It only affects the amount of goals scored by both teams, and sometimes the margin depending on which formula of style mod is used, but never the final result.

I hope these answers were detailed and explanatory enough to help you out. Have fun! :)


Indeed, those answers are enough to cover up any pothole in my overall scheme of things here.

Seems super cool the in-game narrative and nation building as well, I'll give it a try to the WC.

User avatar
Savojarna
Diplomat
 
Posts: 878
Founded: Nov 11, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Savojarna » Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:36 am

Is there a dicussion thread for non-Olympic sports? Organisation of Olympic sports seems to happen through the OGDT, but what about other sports?

The specific case is motorsports - I want to start bringing some life to Savojar rallye driving (within my newswire, no major competition) and consider opening it to the general public. My question now is whether I should open a new thread, there is a specific OOC thread or I should just hijack the OGDT as if we were talking about an Olympic sport.
Achievements:
Reigning Handball World Champions (HWC 20)
WCoH 34 runner-up
Olympic medal count (winter): 6-2-3
HOSTED:
WJHC 12, WCoH 34, Alpine Skiing World Tour
National newswire

Socialist island state 2018 - Cultural mixture of Scandinavia, Finland and Russia -Exports iron, steel, silver and wood - Low fantasy in terms of animal species - Sports-loving - 22.8 million inhabitants.

The adjective is Savojar; Savojarnan is not a word!
I am 21, male, and study politics and history. I like left communism, foreign politics, philosophy, ice hockey and metal. Feel free to TG me if youre bored or something, I guess.

User avatar
Liventia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6055
Founded: Feb 04, 2008
New York Times Democracy

Postby Liventia » Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:27 am

Savojarna wrote:Is there a dicussion thread for non-Olympic sports? Organisation of Olympic sports seems to happen through the OGDT, but what about other sports?

The specific case is motorsports - I want to start bringing some life to Savojar rallye driving (within my newswire, no major competition) and consider opening it to the general public. My question now is whether I should open a new thread, there is a specific OOC thread or I should just hijack the OGDT as if we were talking about an Olympic sport.

There are various motorsport competitions that take place independently, without the need for a discussion thread. Hodori has run his own supercar competition (open, within reason, to others) in his own thread, so I don't see why you couldn't simply start a new thread for Sajovar rallying. Anyone who's interested in motorsport anyway will find it.

User avatar
South Covello
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 158
Founded: Nov 24, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby South Covello » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:06 am

My apologies if this doesn't belong here, but I've seen others make posts about similar things in the past on this subforum, so my understanding is that it's allowed if it's only occasional.

Anyway, to the point, every year, I run a contest for NS Sports participants to pick the RL NCAA Tournament. This year's contest group can be found here and the password is "damnyoukuni" (without the quotes. Deadline to get in is Thursday at noon EDT.

To try to keep with the "only mention off-site stuff very occasionally" rule, there will be no further advertisement of this here or anywhere else on this site until next year's contest.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to NS Sports

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Farfadillis, Hapilopper, Sarzonia, Schottia

Advertisement

Remove ads