General Sports Roleplaying Questions (OOC)

[Drawkland]

The only organization in NS Sports that runs multiple events that are not directly related is the NSRB, which has repeatedly failed in recent years to keep its tournaments running in a timely manner. Similarly, the NSCAA missed a season because nobody could figure out who was going to revive it (and probably would have missed another had Frenline not "controversially" opened a signup thread for it while IRC was too busy arguing over who was going to revive it the following year). Keeping the organizations and their leadership separate is probably the most reliable way to keep college sports running, in some form.

If this were to be merged I imagine the organization would experience a change in leadership format and members. I don't know exactly what Lisander intends but I assume that it means it'll be merged with NSCAA in name only. It would make zero sense to merge 3 or 4 organizations and just use the leadership of 1 with no change in other dynamics, so I don't know why you'd assume that's how it would turn out.

And I might not be an expert here, but I feel this might be more successful than the NSRB considering that the various NSC* events feature more activity and devoted members, as well as having a consistent and clear tournament posting schedule (obviously I can't speak for NSCB and NSCYH since it's their first edition but NSCAA has gone well besides the one-year blip and NSCF chugs along well).

So I think it has potential but we'd have to have a very careful and polite discussion on how to reorganize and merge the 2-4 together. But it can't be denied that it'd have potential for great RP angles, i.e. a school's various teams being in the same conference with other schools in various sports (Although then that'd be another thing to work out since NSCF and NSCAA basketball have opposite conference alignment rules).

[Lisander]

I was wondering about it. My concern was about the lack of registers and an unified naming and branding. To have something like NSCAA Football / NSCAA Baseball / NSCAA Basketball would look nice and would be useful to the experience of participating in College Sports. I think it would be good even without a unification of the boards.

[Osarius]

My concern was about the lack of registers and an unified naming and branding.

But why? They're not related.

[Lisander]

My concern was about the lack of registers and an unified naming and branding.

But why? They're not related.

Maybe this is probably only for me, but I think if College Sports could be unified, sharing newswires and running from the same topic, things would be easier to find, RPs would be easier to make and it would allow inter-sport action with more ease.

[Osarius]

But why? They're not related.

Maybe this is probably only for me, but I think if College Sports could be unified, sharing newswires and running from the same topic, things would be easier to find, RPs would be easier to make and it would allow inter-sport action with more ease.

Cross-linking from each sport's newswire/discussion thread (and maybe even signatures of administrative accounts) might be a better idea.

Sharing a newswire/discussion thread or any other kind of topic would probably just clutter things up and make it confusing for people who don't take part in multiple sports... while (re-)naming seems pointless if there is no actual overarching unification of organisation, and seems like it would likely only introduce confusion elsewhere (i.e. people who take part in NSCF wouldn't necessarily know "NSCAA Football" is the same thing)

Like I said, I don't think unification is a bad idea in principle. I'm just not sure it would work.

[Kosovakia]

So during that Meski kits is closed, I really want to have some crests for my 16 Teams. Is there anyone around here that still can makes some nice crests?

[Lisander]

So during that Meski kits is closed, I really want to have some crests for my 16 Teams. Is there anyone around here that still can makes some nice crests?

I can, but 16 is a little too much.

[Audioslavia]

Arch and I have been busy.

Here is a clarification on the NS Sports forum's rules with regards to the withdrawal of nations/teams/participants from RPs/competitions that are already in progress.

We haven't had to deal with too many instances of this kind of thing happening, so the rules shouldn't change anything as they stand. They're designed to fit with the culture of NS Sports as it exists already.

If anyone has any questions or queries, you can ask via TG to me or via a question on the General Sports Roleplaying Questions thread.

Cheers,

Audio.

[Free Republics]

Arch and I have been busy.

Here is a clarification on the NS Sports forum's rules with regards to the withdrawal of nations/teams/participants from RPs/competitions that are already in progress.

We haven't had to deal with too many instances of this kind of thing happening, so the rules shouldn't change anything as they stand. They're designed to fit with the culture of NS Sports as it exists already.

If anyone has any questions or queries, you can ask via TG to me or via a question on the General Sports Roleplaying Questions thread.

Cheers,

Audio.

On the one hand, this is better than I had feared but I still think its bad for NS Sports that we can no longer stick to our established tradition that nobody can withdraw after the tournament draw (or in the case of the NSWC, nobody who enters the BoF can withdraw from the WC finals without CTEing). By officially sanctioning a "right to withdraw" even after the tournament is drawn, I fear that moderation may be encouraging more people to pull that stunt and that tournament constitutions may have to be amended to ban anybody who does this from future editions of the event.

The Casaran should be handled like a group stage. Odd numbers of teams completely wrecks the scheduling for a Casaran tournament because you can't exactly have somebody play 2 opponents on the same day or introduce byes into the tournament.

Assuming you're not going to amend the ruling, would it at least be fine to replace withdrawing nations with a non-RPing host puppet, inheriting the withdrawn team's record and with a skill of 0? If that's not possible, would it be possible to treat the remainder of the withdrawn team's matches as forfeits and grant whomever their opponent would have been an automatic win (with the appropriate score for a forfeit in that sport)?

[Audioslavia]

On the one hand, this is better than I had feared but I still think its bad for NS Sports that we can no longer stick to our established tradition that nobody can withdraw after the tournament draw (or in the case of the NSWC, nobody who enters the BoF can withdraw from the WC finals without CTEing). By officially sanctioning a "right to withdraw" even after the tournament is drawn, I fear that moderation may be encouraging more people to pull that stunt and that tournament constitutions may have to be amended to ban anybody who does this from future editions of the event.

There's no advantage to be gained from withdrawing before a tournament, so I don't see how this might encourage people to do such a thing. It isn't usually a problem. Groups can be reshuffled without too much fuss even for something like the World Cup.

EDIT: See the post below. We've moved the withdrawal cut-off back to the point of the draw. You're right, it would have been too unwieldy as we'd originally written it.

The Casaran should be handled like a group stage. Odd numbers of teams completely wrecks the scheduling for a Casaran tournament because you can't exactly have somebody play 2 opponents on the same day or introduce byes into the tournament.

Assuming you're not going to amend the ruling, would it at least be fine to replace withdrawing nations with a non-RPing host puppet, inheriting the withdrawn team's record and with a skill of 0? If that's not possible, would it be possible to treat the remainder of the withdrawn team's matches as forfeits and grant whomever their opponent would have been an automatic win (with the appropriate score for a forfeit in that sport)?

You'd be fine introducing a new unranked nation at any stage, as far as I'm concerned. There are no rules against that. You could also treat the remainder of the withdrawn team's matches as forfeits, yes, though for the sake of appeasing everyone I'd discontinue using the name of the withdrawn nation in the scores after they'd withdrawn.

If this clause ends up shaking NS Sports to it's core then there's a chance we can look at amending it, but for now this is the direction we think best balances the general RPing rules with NS Sports culture. There were a lot of alternative resolutions being offered and we felt this route was by far the best.

[Audioslavia]

After some consulation with NS Sport users and the mod team, we've edited the proposal as such.

Before:

*By 'in progress' we mean the nation has already played one game of the current phase of the competition. If a nation withdraws before it has played a game in a tournament, then it should be withdrawn immediately.

After:

*By 'in progress' we mean the fixtures/draw for first/next phase of the tournament have already been finalised at the point of the participant withdrawing. If a nation withdraws before fixtures have been finalised, then it should be withdrawn immediately.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

A couple questions, Audio/Arch:

Can organizing bodies (such as the World Cup Committee) provide further punishment for nations/users who withdraw, for instance a rank deduction or ban on reentering future editions for a certain period of time?

If that is allowed, and the organizing body, for instance, passes a rule banning the user (not just the nation) for a fixed period of time (or indefinitely, if they really want) if they withdraw, will the mods provide assistance on enforcing that if necessary, as they do for the puppet rules now?

[Audioslavia]

A couple questions, Audio/Arch:

Can organizing bodies (such as the World Cup Committee) provide further punishment for nations/users who withdraw, for instance a rank deduction or ban on reentering future editions for a certain period of time?

That's something for host/governing body to sort out and is absolutely not something the mods deal with.

If ... the organizing body, for instance, passes a rule banning the user (not just the nation) for a fixed period of time (or indefinitely, if they really want) if they withdraw, will the mods provide assistance on enforcing that if necessary, as they do for the puppet rules now?

Has any user ever been officially banned from participating in a tournament by a governing body? For anything? I think we'd judge that on a case-by-case basis. The current puppet rules aren't designed to deal with this situation.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Arch and I have been busy.

Here is a clarification on the NS Sports forum's rules with regards to the withdrawal of nations/teams/participants from RPs/competitions that are already in progress.

We haven't had to deal with too many instances of this kind of thing happening, so the rules shouldn't change anything as they stand. They're designed to fit with the culture of NS Sports as it exists already.

If anyone has any questions or queries, you can ask via TG to me or via a question on the General Sports Roleplaying Questions thread.

Cheers,

Audio.

On the one hand, this is better than I had feared but I still think its bad for NS Sports that we can no longer stick to our established tradition that nobody can withdraw after the tournament draw (or in the case of the NSWC, nobody who enters the BoF can withdraw from the WC finals without CTEing). By officially sanctioning a "right to withdraw" even after the tournament is drawn, I fear that moderation may be encouraging more people to pull that stunt and that tournament constitutions may have to be amended to ban anybody who does this from future editions of the event.

The Casaran should be handled like a group stage. Odd numbers of teams completely wrecks the scheduling for a Casaran tournament because you can't exactly have somebody play 2 opponents on the same day or introduce byes into the tournament.

Assuming you're not going to amend the ruling, would it at least be fine to replace withdrawing nations with a non-RPing host puppet, inheriting the withdrawn team's record and with a skill of 0? If that's not possible, would it be possible to treat the remainder of the withdrawn team's matches as forfeits and grant whomever their opponent would have been an automatic win (with the appropriate score for a forfeit in that sport)?

If this rule is the way it is in order to not force people to manually edit the tables during the group stage, then whether this would also apply to the Casaran depends on the way your Casaran schedule works. I've never seen it in action, so I don't know. Can it handle a name change in the middle of the competition? And does it even generate tables at all, or do you use the table generator in xkoronate for that? Even if it doesn't, it still generates the schedule I guess. I've never used your Casaran scheduler, so I don't know. But if it has that function to allow name changes (which xkoronate doesn't) I could see why it makes sense to treat it this way. If it doesn't, I'd agree with you that it should be treated as a group stage.

[Free Republics]

On the one hand, this is better than I had feared but I still think its bad for NS Sports that we can no longer stick to our established tradition that nobody can withdraw after the tournament draw (or in the case of the NSWC, nobody who enters the BoF can withdraw from the WC finals without CTEing). By officially sanctioning a "right to withdraw" even after the tournament is drawn, I fear that moderation may be encouraging more people to pull that stunt and that tournament constitutions may have to be amended to ban anybody who does this from future editions of the event.

The Casaran should be handled like a group stage. Odd numbers of teams completely wrecks the scheduling for a Casaran tournament because you can't exactly have somebody play 2 opponents on the same day or introduce byes into the tournament.

Assuming you're not going to amend the ruling, would it at least be fine to replace withdrawing nations with a non-RPing host puppet, inheriting the withdrawn team's record and with a skill of 0? If that's not possible, would it be possible to treat the remainder of the withdrawn team's matches as forfeits and grant whomever their opponent would have been an automatic win (with the appropriate score for a forfeit in that sport)?

If this rule is the way it is in order to not force people to manually edit the tables during the group stage, then whether this would also apply to the Casaran depends on the way your Casaran schedule works. I've never seen it in action, so I don't know. Can it handle a name change in the middle of the competition? And does it even generate tables at all, or do you use the table generator in xkoronate for that? Even if it doesn't, it still generates the schedule I guess. I've never used your Casaran scheduler, so I don't know. But if it has that function to allow name changes (which xkoronate doesn't) I could see why it makes sense to treat it this way. If it doesn't, I'd agree with you that it should be treated as a group stage.

It doesn't. I could either add an option to do that or else just change the nation name in the input (which is a simple find and replace operation in any text editor). The input is just lines containing results in the standard format.

It does, in fact, generate a table after every matchday including GF, GA, GD, SoS and SoV fields. It then generates a schedule for the next day, including *s around any rematches and finally a list of every team's past opponents.

I will be releasing the program publicly this weekend.

[Darkmania]

How do i use "xkoranate"?

[Tinhampton]

How do i use "xkoranate"?

You may want to consider checking out this guide by NSI.

[Crater]

I probably sound stupid for saying this but how do I actually apply?

[Free Republics]

I probably sound stupid for saying this but how do I actually apply?

To sign up for an event, all you usually have to do is find the relevant signup thread and post a reply saying that you sign up.

There are a few exceptions to this rule (most notably the Olympics), so you should probably read the signup thread OP before signing up. There are also times where the signup thread still says "open" when the event is already in progress so its usually a good idea to check the last few replies. If they're signups or anything to do with host bids (and the last reply was sometime within the last week or 2), you can usually assume that signups are still open.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

I probably sound stupid for saying this but how do I actually apply?

To sign up for an event, all you usually have to do is find the relevant signup thread and post a reply saying that you sign up.

There are a few exceptions to this rule (most notably the Olympics), so you should probably read the signup thread OP before signing up. There are also times where the signup thread still says "open" when the event is already in progress so its usually a good idea to check the last few replies. If they're signups or anything to do with host bids (and the last reply was sometime within the last week or 2), you can usually assume that signups are still open.

Just to add to this, some (not most) events are only open to members of a certain region, so still read the OP.

[Novostela]

I am trying to find a good sport for my country to participate in. Any recommendations for beginners?

[Lisander]

I am trying to find a good sport for my country to participate in. Any recommendations for beginners?

You should start with the ones you know. Association Football (also called Soccer) is the most common. Ice Hockey is popular too. It will depend on your time and patience. I suggest you to start with the creation of a local league of your favorite sport and writing some roleplay about it. After this, you can start signing up to international tournaments. With some experience, you'll be able to start scorinating international competitions.

[Frenline Delpha]

I am trying to find a good sport for my country to participate in. Any recommendations for beginners?

If baseball strikes your fancy, the WBC is starting up again: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=411765

[Icetropical]

Me thinks nobody wants to help me. (Image)

'Any' excel scorinator for 'any' sport doesn't really help us to help you either, tbh. What sort of sport will yo be scorinating?

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[Argentinstan]

'Any' excel scorinator for 'any' sport doesn't really help us to help you either, tbh. What sort of sport will yo be scorinating?

you fat boiiiiii!!! stinky stinky boy and bad bad bad baster also u sell like crap don't come near me

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