General Sports Roleplaying Questions (OOC)

[Farnhamia]

'Any' excel scorinator for 'any' sport doesn't really help us to help you either, tbh. What sort of sport will yo be scorinating?

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[Koana Islands]

For people who use coefficients for their own personal domestic leagues, how many seasons of history do you use to get an ideal coefficient number for each team.

I only count the 3 most recent seasons with a falling multiplier from most recent season onwards, but UICA counts the last 5 without any multiplier.

Has anyone experimented to find out the most realistic coefficient multipliers to ensure teams still rise and fall through divisions without yo-yo'ing around or being to samey from season to season?

[Eastfield Lodge]

For people who use coefficients for their own personal domestic leagues, how many seasons of history do you use to get an ideal coefficient number for each team.

I only count the 3 most recent seasons with a falling multiplier from most recent season onwards, but UICA counts the last 5 without any multiplier.

Has anyone experimented to find out the most realistic coefficient multipliers to ensure teams still rise and fall through divisions without yo-yo'ing around or being to samey from season to season?

I just use subjective ratings. Saves me a lot of hassle with calculations, and I can change the path of teams as I wish.

[Osarius]

Has anyone experimented to find out the most realistic coefficient multipliers to ensure teams still rise and fall through divisions without yo-yo'ing around or being to samey from season to season?

Yes. I've tried a lot of systems. Sequential ranks, rank arrays based on previous season position, rank arrays with cup bonuses, tiered coefficients, a wholly unnecessarily complicated formula based on multiple variables... they've all had a degree of success, they've all got flaws. My advice to you is to do your own tests. What works for me might not work for you, and so on.

How much variation is acceptable?
Do you want teams who go on a cup run to get a corresponding boost in the league?
Do you want to be able to manually adjust ranks according to transfer activity?

At the end of the day, if the ranks don't look like what you want, you can always fiddle with them until they do. It's your league. *shrug*

[Kep]

Is it acceptable to post in a thread once the finals are over? The post is simply for recording purposes as I need to post a roster for future reference for IC-purposes.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Is it acceptable to post in a thread once the finals are over? The post is simply for recording purposes as I need to post a roster for future reference for IC-purposes.

You'd have to ask the OP to be sure, but generally, unless you're the champion writing your RP of the championship match, it would be frowned upon. Whether the OP would actually go as far as to request moderator action is up to them, however.

You could always just save it in Google Docs or something.

[Kyrusia]

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Thanks for your time!

[Stojam]

Are there any Pro-Wrestling RPs?

[Free Republics]

Are there any Pro-Wrestling RPs?

Not at this time and there haven't been any successful ones in the past either (quite a few failed attempts though).

I tried to launch the UWS last year but didn't get past signups.

I'd definitely be interested but I feel its important to keep scorinators out of it (using a program to generate results for a scripted sport makes no sense whatsoever) and to generally let the RPers determine the results of the matches (although a booker, who would ideally be elected by the active RPers at regular intervals, should determine results if they can't agree and determine who holds the titles and who wins any tournaments and/or #1 contender matches). I believe pro wrestling has to more closely resemble the format of RPs in other sub-forums than normal NS Sports RP because most of our sub-forum's conventions simply make no sense in that context.

The big problem though is whether there are enough potentially interested RPers. While NS Sports is definitely the right place to put it, a wrestling RP would need to attract RPers from the other sub-forums to be successful and ideally RPers who aren't just in it to see their wrestlers win every match (undefeated streak storylines usually don't work well in RL and they'd work even worse in NS).

The failure of the UWS was probably in large part because I waited nearly a year to launch it (mainly so that I'd have sufficient time to commit 3 months to showing how to run it before passing the booker role onto somebody else) and many of those who would have been active in it had either left NS or cut back their activity. Without that core, it simply didn't draw many signups and likely would have quickly died from inactivity. Its generally possible to finish out an NS Sports tournament where nobody bothers to actually RP (just look at my college baseball tournament) but in pro wrestling the match results don't really matter that much so if you don't have RP, you've got nothing (which is also why RPs for wrestling would likely need to stick to wrestling).

In terms of how many shows, I'd say 1 per week (with occasional PPV 3 or 4 days after the weekly show) to start but add more if there's sufficient interest.

Whether you see something there or have your own ideas, I encourage you to take the initiative and try to move forward with a wrestling RP. There shouldn't be any scorination involved so there's no reason why its organizer and first booker would need scorination experience.

[Zwangzug]

So I participated in this "Roleplay Symposium," and as part of that, I wrote up an overview of NS Sports, and got interviewed for a panel. Feel free to do whatever with this.

Also, I wrote some more lipograms!

[East Doglage Taraces]

I know that the World Cup has free-form RP. How about other sports? Do some RPers frown upon sports RP that has very little to do with sports?

[Eastfield Lodge]

I know that the World Cup has free-form RP. How about other sports? Do some RPers frown upon sports RP that has very little to do with sports?

Yes, pretty much all the established competitions in all sports allow free-form RP (exceptions may apply).
And yes, some RP'ers (and hosts), do privately frown a little upon non-sports related RP. Thing is, most of the regulars here barely interact with the rest of the National RP forums, so this subforum is where we do everything, sport and non-sport, and as such we've sort of gotten used to it.

[Starblaydia]

I know that the World Cup has free-form RP. How about other sports? Do some RPers frown upon sports RP that has very little to do with sports?

Yes, pretty much all the established competitions in all sports allow free-form RP (exceptions may apply).
And yes, some RP'ers (and hosts), do privately frown a little upon non-sports related RP. Thing is, most of the regulars here barely interact with the rest of the National RP forums, so this subforum is where we do everything, sport and non-sport, and as such we've sort of gotten used to it.

I think, on the whole, we'd prefer it if Sports RPs have something to do with the game you just played/are about to play, as it gives your opponents something they can work with. If you just beat my team, and I see that you've only written about, for instance, the inner political workings of the latest election in your nation, then I'm left with essentially no input to work with, and you've been no help whatsoever.

I tend to walk the line with this Sports/Non-sports quite a lot, and I'll often have a character reading the sports section in the paper, or watching the news, or talking about the matches, so there's at least something my opponent can work with.

[Nephara]

Non-sporting RPs are, however, very useful for having something to write about against inactive opponents. All in all, you'll probably find a balance that works best for you.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Non-sporting RPs are, however, very useful for having something to write about against inactive opponents. All in all, you'll probably find a balance that works best for you.

And that's not to say you can't interact with other nations in non-sporting RPs. In the past, I've had collaborative RPs invoving regional wars, assassinations of political and religious leaders, and various other diplomatic events. Others, in the past, have written commentary on each other's elections, and occasionally even had their characters endorse candidates in other elections. And this leads to further potential as well - if some reviled figure like Lord Almighty Gregory or Maria Polus endorses a candidate, is that really a good thing? How will they and the other candidates react? Sister Polus has endorsed candidates in foreign elections on at least one occasion, IIRC.

To add on to what Starblaydia said, I think most people, myself included prefer if you write RPs where you interact with other nations. However, at least in my case, and probably for many others as well, I don't care if those are sporting RPs or not.

[New Jarwel]

I am thinking about starting a pro wrestling RP. Anywhere I can look back on for a little inspiration?

[Starblaydia]

I am thinking about starting a pro wrestling RP. Anywhere I can look back on for a little inspiration?

Free Republics' reply literally six posts up about pro wrestling details how well/badly those sorts of RPs go in NS Sports, despite there being probably enough of a chunk of the userbase interested in WWE/NJPW/etc.

Basically, in NS Sports we generate the results first and then RP about it afterwards. You'd think that would work well with wrestling because they decide the result then have the match, but actually it's the wrong way round for what we do, and the storylines that are so important to crafting RPs get blown out of the water when the whole thing is supposed to be a story in the first place.

I'm yet to come across a method for pro wrestling RP (generate scores first / have competitive II-style RPing to decide who wins / just writing stories) that really works with a scripted combat 'sport'. If someone can come up with one that works, that'd be great.

[Free Republics]

I am thinking about starting a pro wrestling RP. Anywhere I can look back on for a little inspiration?

My advice to anybody considering another attempt at pro wrestling on NS (besides what I said before):

1) Put together an interest thread first and see if you can get a core group of 8-10 who will commit to posting at a rate of 1 RP per show or more. Even at 8-10 for the core group, everybody is probably going to need to create and RP multiple wrestlers to have a decently sized roster. If you get that group, convert it into a signup thread and have them put up their wrestlers. If not, then you're probably not going to get enough signups. If somebody signs up and never RPs, use their wrestler as a jobber for a while then have him/her disappear.

2) If you're in a position where you're booking the matches (including picking winners and losers), don't copy the common RL wrestling practice of pushing yourself or your friends as the top star(s) at the expense of everybody else. Everybody should feel like they have a real chance of RPing their wrestler(s) to world title reigns if they do a good enough job of RPing. Selfishness on your part is especially bad as it makes people feel like you're rigging things in your own favor and because it would encourage others to act the same way and try to win feuds instead of trying to write good stories.

3) I think a sports entertainment style promotion (like WWE) is probably the ideal way to go as that opens up more RP possibilities and will be more familiar to most English-speaking fans. Japanese-style tournaments like the G1 Climax and the Tag League would likely work well and should be included in some form.

[Vangaziland]

If people wanted to put together that wrestling league, I'd be interested. I could also help develop and it sounds like we'll need people willing to do that. It might be a good idea to have people submit a venue. Make it a traveling concept so that people can feel like their nation is involved. I have an MMA simulator with potential, but too many bugs.

We could think of an old school system, like dice rolling. Say there were three turns. One player gets the first initiative, meaning they roll first. The second.. Well, I should just create or check for a forum. I'll TG people interested, but I pretty much gave my two cents here. Let's see if we can come together to work on this.

[Kep]

If people wanted to put together that wrestling league, I'd be interested. I could also help develop and it sounds like we'll need people willing to do that. It might be a good idea to have people submit a venue. Make it a traveling concept so that people can feel like their nation is involved. I have an MMA simulator with potential, but too many bugs.

We could think of an old school system, like dice rolling. Say there were three turns. One player gets the first initiative, meaning they roll first. The second.. Well, I should just create or check for a forum. I'll TG people interested, but I pretty much gave my two cents here. Let's see if we can come together to work on this.

Hey Vang -

I'm not a fan of wrestling, however, I wanted to comment on your proposed system - I thought dice-rolling is thoroughly frowned upon in the NS community?

~ Kep

[Volkegoth]

Has anyone ever tried eSports? I would like to start doing something of the sort, but I'm new to Sports RP.

[Free Republics]

Has anyone ever tried eSports? I would like to start doing something of the sort, but I'm new to Sports RP.

I proposed it in my Olympics bid earlier this year but my bid didn't win the vote and I never actually created the scorinators. I think there'd definitely be interest but you (or somebody else) would need to figure out how to scorinate the various eSports (whether by using existing xkoranate files or by modifying one of xkoranate's XML files to produce appropriate scores).

[Volkegoth]

Has anyone ever tried eSports? I would like to start doing something of the sort, but I'm new to Sports RP.

I proposed it in my Olympics bid earlier this year but my bid didn't win the vote and I never actually created the scorinators. I think there'd definitely be interest but you (or somebody else) would need to figure out how to scorinate the various eSports (whether by using existing xkoranate files or by modifying one of xkoranate's XML files to produce appropriate scores).

Well I guess eSports won't happen for a while :-P I have no idea how to go about that.

[Dunnes]

I know Liventia had hosted a World Cycling Championships in the past, would there be any interest in reviving that, either as the second edition or under a new name?

[Darkmania]

I know Liventia had hosted a World Cycling Championships in the past, would there be any interest in reviving that, either as the second edition or under a new name?

I wound supporting reviving WCC.