Scorinators (OOC Discussion)

[Farfadillis]

In NSFS, yes.

Cheers Farf.

However, what would I write? For example, if a team's KPB was 12.64, and their RP Bonus was 2.5, would I write "12.64 + 2.5"?

You just add them up mentally, which isn't hard at all. In this case it'd be 15.14.

[Slembana]

Cheers Farf.

However, what would I write? For example, if a team's KPB was 12.64, and their RP Bonus was 2.5, would I write "12.64 + 2.5"?

You just add them up mentally, which isn't hard at all. In this case it'd be 15.14.

Thanks Farf.

[Polar Islandstates]

Generally a good idea to have a spreadsheet going in Excel if you're adding bonus directly to rank. So you can keep track of who scored what on what days and it will add it all up for you.

[Slembana]

Generally a good idea to have a spreadsheet going in Excel if you're adding bonus directly to rank. So you can keep track of who scored what on what days and it will add it all up for you.

Okay. If I get round to hosting a tournament with a ranking system, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you for the tip, PIS.

[Vatmark]

Do you input a team's RP Bonus into the rank section?

In NSFS, yes.

Isn't that what you do in xkoranate as well?

[Farfadillis]

In NSFS, yes.

Isn't that what you do in xkoranate as well?

Yes, but there's another way for multi-sports events to make work a lot less hard. It's called "bonuses", above "events". It adds an RP bonus to every participant from the team you assign the bonus to.

EDIT: Doubles. I hate doubles.

[Apox]

Isn't that what you do in xkoranate as well?

Yes, but there's another way for multi-sports events to make work a lot less hard. It's called "bonuses", above "events". It adds an RP bonus to every participant from the team you assign the bonus to, and every entrant with that team assigned to them will get the bonus.

I wondered why that needed to be there, but for multi-event sports, I can see that it would be useful indeed!

[Free South Califas]

Generally a good idea to have a spreadsheet going in Excel if you're adding bonus directly to rank. So you can keep track of who scored what on what days and it will add it all up for you.

Excellent point, thanks for this.

[Michael VII]

How much does the maximum skill field affect scorination?

Say if I scorinated a match between Alpha Team (skill mod = 1) and Beta Team (skill mod = 0.25). Would there be a discernable difference in the outcomes if the maximum skill modifier was 1 or 20?

In NSFS, there's a big difference, because it's done based on max skill modifiers, so the Beta Team has a better chance with 20 over 1. However in xkoranate, or at least the SQIS formula, it doesn't matter how high the max skill mod is, because it's all based on ratios between the two teams, and the max skill mod is just there to make sure you don't make a catastrophic typo.

[Commune-PDTv2]

Thanks to Polar Islandstates, Eastfield Lodge, Michael VII et al for your answers to my questions.

[Legalese]

Thanks.

After posting I did think that's there's more than one scorinator and probably should have clarified which I use. But seeing as I generally use the NSFS formula on xkoranate it's all good.

What is the maximum set to for World Cup games out of curiosity?

The highest ranked KPB (i.e. THE's KPB at the moment) plus the total RP bonus that can be added I believe.

That's generally accurate, but it's up to the hosts' discrection, like pretty much everything but the finals format. I've seen it done as the Maximum Possible KPB (69.00 - yes, seriously) + the Maximum RP Bonus, or even (in the 2.x versions, which did not have a full GUI and were more customizable in some aspects) using the setting in Bedistan's original sample file (100, I believe - that was the setting for WC 37).

As stated before, the effect of ranks and rank differential can be quite influenced by the max value.

[Paradystopia]

Thanks again everyone

I'll start getting my World Cup 64 bid drawn up then ...

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[Slembana]

What does SQIS stand for, and what is it, exactly?

[Commerce Heights]

What does SQIS stand for, and what is it, exactly?

Schiavonia–Qutar International Scorinator. It’s a scorination formula for association football matches.

[Slembana]

What does SQIS stand for, and what is it, exactly?

Schiavonia–Qutar International Scorinator. It’s a scorination formula for association football matches.

Thanks. I had heard about it in recent WCDT points, and knew that it was a scorination formula, but I didn't know what it stood for.

[Qazox]

Just out of curiosity, do any of the main 3 scorinators work on tablets?

[Cambirano]

Just out of curiosity, do any of the main 3 scorinators work on tablets?

As someone who's tried, I can say that they do not, at least not on an iPad.

[Glascovia]

I understand that in tournaments like the World Cup, teams are allocated skill points based on their RPing. How do skill points work in domestic newswires? Do all teams receive the same amount of skill?

[Legalese]

I understand that in tournaments like the World Cup, teams are allocated skill points based on their RPing. How do skill points work in domestic newswires? Do all teams receive the same amount of skill?

You're thinking of style modifiers. They're a feature in many scorinators, used in most WCC events - and almost always in the World Cup itself - that allow you to set a range to define whether your team is a strongly attacking team, a defensive team, or somewhere in the middle. It's generally on a -5 to +5 scale, and doesn't affect the outcome, though it can modify the goal difference.

[Glascovia]

I understand that in tournaments like the World Cup, teams are allocated skill points based on their RPing. How do skill points work in domestic newswires? Do all teams receive the same amount of skill?

You're thinking of style modifiers. They're a feature in many scorinators, used in most WCC events - and almost always in the World Cup itself - that allow you to set a range to define whether your team is a strongly attacking team, a defensive team, or somewhere in the middle. It's generally on a -5 to +5 scale, and doesn't affect the outcome, though it can modify the goal difference.

Ok, that makes sense. So is there a principled way for the scorinator to incorporate rankings into the results?

[Legalese]

You're thinking of style modifiers. They're a feature in many scorinators, used in most WCC events - and almost always in the World Cup itself - that allow you to set a range to define whether your team is a strongly attacking team, a defensive team, or somewhere in the middle. It's generally on a -5 to +5 scale, and doesn't affect the outcome, though it can modify the goal difference.

Ok, that makes sense. So is there a principled way for the scorinator to incorporate rankings into the results?

Yes. Each one does it differently, but the basic idea is that they take a team's rank, add in the RP bonus, and compare it to their opponent's rank, and set the goal threshold, which is usually either a decimal or a number nearing 1,000. A match consists of generating a series of random numbers for each team, and comparing it to their threshold - a number above the threshold is a goal, a number below is not. Whoever scores the most wins, with some exceptions for those dirty,dirty things called draws.

Note that this is mostly related to soccer/association football.

[Glascovia]

Ok, that makes sense. So is there a principled way for the scorinator to incorporate rankings into the results?

Yes. Each one does it differently, but the basic idea is that they take a team's rank, add in the RP bonus, and compare it to their opponent's rank, and set the goal threshold, which is usually either a decimal or a number nearing 1,000. A match consists of generating a series of random numbers for each team, and comparing it to their threshold - a number above the threshold is a goal, a number below is not. Whoever scores the most wins, with some exceptions for those dirty,dirty things called draws.

Note that this is mostly related to soccer/association football.

Ah, now I think I get it. Thanks!

[Vaugania]

Hey everybody. I have a few xkoranate questions related to style modifiers and RP bonus.

RP Bonus: How big of a difference would 15% effect be compared to 20% or 25%? What is the difference between the relative and absolute bonus formulas? How big of a difference would it make for Team A to have a bonus of 1 and Team B to have a bonus of .5? Or 1 and .75?

Style Modifiers: What is is the the difference between the additive and multiplicative styles?

[Liventia]

You may be able to find your answers in the xkoranate-specific thread, rather than a general discussion thread.

[Timfen]

Are there any darts scorinators around?