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Cup Of Harmony 79- Cassadaigua and Northwest Kalactin

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen of the World Cup Committee! The World Cup 87 cycle is underway, and eventually that will lead to Cup Of Harmony 79. The Cassadagan Association for Soccer Excellence and the Northwest Kalactanian Football Association submit this bid for your consideration to be the hosts of this tournament.

I) About The Nations

Cassadaigua is a long-time resident of the region of Rushmore that has become known for its unique culture. Cassadaigua’s society is different than what is seen throughout most of the world. In our nation, the female is the dominant gender and is superior to the male (though there has been a lot of progress in recent years towards gender equality). There are some groups who feel that men are greatly oppressed in our nation, but that is not really the case. If you are a man, and you are visiting Cassadaigua, as long as you are aware of our somewhat different culture, you should not have a tough time fitting in. After all, Cassadagan men that play by the rules here and respect their role can be very successful themselves. As long as you respect our culture, you should be fine while you are here. If you act disrespectful, then don’t be surprised if you are soon put in your place. You are expected to follow all Cassadagan laws, even if it is not a law in your own country.

Cassadaigua is no more or no less safe than any other nation. Socially, Cassadaigua is open to members of all faiths, and we respect your right to worship your respective deity in the way you see fit; or to not worship one at all. Homosexuality is accepted in the country, though we can’t promise that some random drunk in the stands or on the streets won’t make offensive comments.

As far as drinking is concerned, the legal age is 18, though many get away with underage drinking as it is not as aggressively policed as it may be in other lands. However, do not drink and drive. If you are caught, you will have a greater jail sentence then you might be expecting, and if you kill anyone by drunk driving, you will receive the death penalty.

Smoking anywhere in public is banned, but legal in your own home. This applies to both cigarettes and marijuana. All other recreational drugs are banned.

Cassadaigua has several well known, tried and true stadiums that are able to host the event. The final would be held at the Dagan Airways Stadium in Concord Heights.

Northwest Kalactin is a fast growing nation in the great region of Atlantian Oceania. The nation plays host to a population of 24 million people, although this is very fast growing due to a recent baby boom as of late. The largest cities of the nation are Gold Coast, at 4 million, Coffs Harbour, at 2.8 million, and Kempsey, which sits at 2.1 million. Other large cities also include Ballina, Armidale, Byron Bay, and the fast growing Mendez Bay, just south of Coffs.

Northwest Kalactin is an Anarchy, which means it can be considered far less safe than other nations, but there are many precautions in place to ensure that fans and players are not hurt in their time in the nation. For one, this is due to the fact that foreign nations are able to try Kalactanian citizens for crimes in their own courts, provided that they commit them against citizens of the nation involved. Also, foreigners will be provided with complementary security from private companies hired by the NKFA, as is the custom by tournaments hosted in the nation. Due to the nature of the political situation in the nation, most crimes committed by a foreigner will not be punished, barring a Murder or Assault, in which Kalactanian courts may be allowed to prosecute those involved. Marijuana, Drugs and Alcohol are all allowed, and there is no legal purchasing age, but a social norm in NWK is not buying any of the 3 mentioned until you are at least 18 years old.

The nation has a good history of football, which spans back to the days of World Cup 79. Since then, the nation has participated in 7 World Cup qualifying campaigns including 87, and reached the Cup of Harmony 4 times, with a Quarterfinals run in the most recent version, before falling to Astograth in penalties. The nation also has their very own domestic league, the NKSL. The league has 12 squads, and is growing in the IFCF picture as of late.

II) Experience
– Now that you know who we are, let’s talk about experience!

Cassadaigua- The matriarchy has been successful in all major sports, being the only nation to win the World Bowl, World Cup, World Baseball Classic, World Cup of Hockey, and International Basketball Championships. Completed in calendar year 2013, this remains true today. The nation has not only won titles, but it has hosted or co-hosted a large variety of tournaments, including:

Soccer/Football: World Cup 54, 67, & 84, BoF 47, Cup of Harmony 57 & 73, and Copa Rushmori 30.
Also: World Baseball Classics 18, 26, 40, 43, 45 & 50; World Bowl 16; World Lacrosse Championships 7 & 30, and conferences within the NSCAA Basketball tournament. Smaller events, as well.

Cassadaigua should be seen as the senior partner in the bid and is excited to work with Northwest Kalactin as they try to take this step forward in their hosting career while providing a high level of support.

Northwest Kalactin has accumulated a solid amount of experience that shows that are ready to move up to this next level:

Melayu Archipelago Cups 5&6; Atlantian Oceania Hockey Championships 7; Mendez Bay Open (Tennis- in progress);NSCF Mineral Conference; Rugby 7’s: Coffs 7’s I; Lacrosse: WLC 35 Basketball: Gold Coast Basketball Invitational

Additionally, they are the creator of the Kalactinator scorinator for lacrosse.

III) Format, Scorination, and RP bonus

Format- We will be looking for numbers such as 32, 40, or 48. 56 or 64 are willing to be considered if enough nations meet our criteria for our entry. That criteria will include having a roster posted in a timely manner during World Cup qualifying (before halfway), and a minimum standard of RP produced. The specifics on what that minimum standard will be is still to be determined. To accept a Cup of Harmony invite, a nation must submit their roster on the Cup of Harmony thread. We would hope to coordinate the dates of the Cup of Harmony with the World Cup Proper, but the ability to do that is dependent on when we would be named hosts, should that occur. A single round robin will be held, and the hosts will not scorinate any matches that involve their own nation, or their puppets. Puppets of the host nations will be held to the same minimum standard of RP as everyone else.

Scorination- We will be using xkoranate, with the NSFS formula. Additive style modifiers ranging from -5 to +5 will be used.

RP Bonus- Cumulative RP bonus will be in place from the beginning to the end. In judging RP, quality is preferred over quantity.

Tiebreakers- H2H Results, then GD, Wins, Goals For, and the "Coin Flip". (Coin flip winner will be the nation with highest cumulative RP bonus).

Questions, comments, or concerns? Please ask away!

I do not have a vote.

This bid is quite vague on specifics, and there's a significant difference in inviting 32 teams and in inviting 64 teams, both of which you indicate as possibilities. Can you give an indication of which end of that spectrum you would ideally be looking at, even if you can't yet nail down specifics? Assuming you get the exact perfect number of invitations accepted that you prefer... would that be a 32 team cup, 48 team cup, 64 team cup?

Graintfjall wrote:I do not have a vote.

This bid is quite vague on specifics, and there's a significant difference in inviting 32 teams and in inviting 64 teams, both of which you indicate as possibilities. Can you give an indication of which end of that spectrum you would ideally be looking at, even if you can't yet nail down specifics? Assuming you get the exact perfect number of invitations accepted that you prefer... would that be a 32 team cup, 48 team cup, 64 team cup?

With such a large World Cup, and so many people currently roleplaying, it is hard to pin down an exact number which is why for the moment we do not want to be committed to such a number.

That disclaimer aside, I know that does not really answer your question. The number that I would love to land on is 48. While 32 would duplicate the World Cup, that number is too low for the amount of people that are roleplaying now. Looking at the last World Cup, which had a similar number of nations participating, there were 56 nations in the Cup of Harmony. However, those hosts had what I feel were a little easier requirements to get an invite. So, if we assume the level of roleplay is the same, then I believe 48 is a good and reasonable target. We still have the whole second half of qualifying, and perhaps the roleplay may surpass last time, which would make us go with 56 as well. For it to hit 64 invited nations, the roleplay for this World Cup would have to surpass last time by a decent margin.

That's a lot of words to answer your question and to say 48 is our preferred number but not a set in stone number. Hopefully it helps with the mindset that we have with our bid.

As an aside, it's good to see my World Cup 84 co-host Baker Park in the bidding as well, with Tikariot, and we wish them the best.

I do have a vote.

Anyways, since a competing bid has shown up, I guess so will the hard questions. I don't have specific answers that I am looking for, tho I would prefer if you give your side of the story to the questions.

1) Any particular reason why NSFS over SQIS? Similarly, why do you choose to include GF as part of your tiebreakers?

2) After seeing your answer to Grænt's question above, I would probably have an idea on your minimum standards. However, understanding that RPs are pretty subjective, and that newer nations may not be as good as RPing "satisfactory stuff" on their first cycle, do you intend to give a bit of leeway on this group of nations, taking into account, other things such as their RPing during the BoF?

3) On the same note, do you see yourself prioritising newer nations over long-time nations, and over puppets? I am asking this because I think this may happen in a situation where the numbers are pretty awkward, or that maybe you want to work with a nicer group of nations, etc. etc.

4) I have noticed that in some recent competitions, host nations will choose to not put themselves in Pot 1 if their rankings are not high enough. If either of you are participating, and your rankings aren't high enough to be in Pot 1, will you be adopting something similar?

5) I am interested to hear on the format for your suggested numbers. Just simple details on number of groups, group size, total number of matchdays.

That is in from me for now, I shall move on to ask the competing bid questions. Looking forward to your answers!

Would you guys consider a 72 team CoH if nessicary (I don't think will but you never know, there's a ton of people RPing)? We have a ton of consistent, albeit smaller RPers, I've been advocating for them for a while.

A quick question on the format. Roughly what sort of numbers would you be looking at to progress through to the knock-out stages?

You have a vote from Lorrana

One question though: What criterion do you have for invites?

Cassadaigua wrote:Tiebreakers- H2H Results, then GD, Wins, Goals For, and the "Coin Flip". (Coin flip winner will be the nation with highest cumulative RP bonus).

For the purpose of clarity, can the bidders please elaborate what all of the criteria for head-to-head results will be?

Furthermore, the bid’s format section outlines tournament sizes, but not the actual format of the tournament beyond single-round robin groups. How will groups be arranged in a 32, 40 or 48 tournament and what will be the bar to advance to the knockout stage?

I will state that I trust in the ability of the bidders to successfully organise a Cup of Harmony. The answers to these questions will not be the determinative factor for my vote, but I prefer that these details be explicitly spelled out in the tournament bid for the avoidance of all doubt.

PotatoFarmers wrote:I do have a vote.

Anyways, since a competing bid has shown up, I guess so will the hard questions. I don't have specific answers that I am looking for, tho I would prefer if you give your side of the story to the questions.

1) Any particular reason why NSFS over SQIS? Similarly, why do you choose to include GF as part of your tiebreakers?

2) After seeing your answer to Grænt's question above, I would probably have an idea on your minimum standards. However, understanding that RPs are pretty subjective, and that newer nations may not be as good as RPing "satisfactory stuff" on their first cycle, do you intend to give a bit of leeway on this group of nations, taking into account, other things such as their RPing during the BoF?

3) On the same note, do you see yourself prioritising newer nations over long-time nations, and over puppets? I am asking this because I think this may happen in a situation where the numbers are pretty awkward, or that maybe you want to work with a nicer group of nations, etc. etc.

4) I have noticed that in some recent competitions, host nations will choose to not put themselves in Pot 1 if their rankings are not high enough. If either of you are participating, and your rankings aren't high enough to be in Pot 1, will you be adopting something similar?

5) I am interested to hear on the format for your suggested numbers. Just simple details on number of groups, group size, total number of matchdays.

That is in from me for now, I shall move on to ask the competing bid questions. Looking forward to your answers!

1) NSFS is my preferred method of scoring football as I believe it is less random than SQIS. Why GF? To have another means of breaking a tie. Now, I am not married to that and if this was really a source of contention, I could remove it. I get that it puts negative modifier teams at a disadvantage, though from my experience of hosting, I have noticed that positive modifiers are more popular than negative ones.

2) We will not be taking into account BoF roleplays. Only those in the World Cup will be considered. If there are any new users out there right now that are not roleplaying because they don't think they are good enough, please don't feel that way. The community welcomes all contributions from everyone.

3) We will not prioritize long term nations over newer nations if they are equal in their contributions. Nor will the opposite be true. The other bid mentioned that they will inquire with the WC hosts to have a RP grading summary and we will be no different. Nations that are around the cutoff point will be discussed with NK, and we will make the decisions. Those at the top of the list should not have to worry, and if we are deciding between 48th and 49th for example, it's not as if we are choosing between the 1st and 2nd best RPers that did not qualify, they were 48th and 49th on that list. I treat puppets as individual nations for the most part, but if the 47th nation on that list of 48 is a puppet (of another nation also receiving an invite), I would give a nod to the unique nation that is #49 on the list, over the puppet, for example. One thing I do look at is when the RP's were made. If #47 on the list shut it down at the midway point, but #50 had theirs more spaced out from beginning to end, I will favor #50. Again though, this is a decision made when deciding between nations down the list a bit, and not at the top.

4) If we need to participate in the CoH, we will be in Pot 1.
All kidding aside, I believe in putting the host nation in the pot they belong in, so this question would be more towards NK. Even though NK wants to be in the World Cup, they will be put in the pot they should be in, based on their rank.

5) 32: 8 groups of 4.
40: 8 groups of 5
48: 8 groups of 6. (Some temptation to do 12 groups of four, but eight groups makes a smoother transition to knockouts).
56: 8 groups of 7.
64: 16 groups of 4.
Knockouts: If 48 or fewer, 16 teams will advance. If more then 48, 32 teams will. (This also answers Flavovespia's Q)

Xanneria wrote:Would you guys consider a 72 team CoH if nessicary (I don't think will but you never know, there's a ton of people RPing)? We have a ton of consistent, albeit smaller RPers, I've been advocating for them for a while.

I don't think that's a number that will be hit. We can pencil in 64 as being a max.

Lorrana wrote:You have a vote from Lorrana

One question though: What criterion do you have for invites?

This is a bit tough to answer for now. I could say four RP's, but in some cases three RP's from one nation might score higher than four from another. I can probably safely say if you have produced four quality RP's you will get an invite (this should not be interpreted now as me saying four is an official minimum, but it is where my mind is approximately at).

Omerica wrote:

Cassadaigua wrote:Tiebreakers- H2H Results, then GD, Wins, Goals For, and the "Coin Flip". (Coin flip winner will be the nation with highest cumulative RP bonus).

For the purpose of clarity, can the bidders please elaborate what all of the criteria for head-to-head results will be?

There will be one game, so if A beat B, then A wins the tiebreaker over B. If they draw, then we go to the other criteria.
If A beat B; B beat C; and C beat A (and all are tied), then we go to the other criteria. If in that tie, A was +3 in GD between B and C; B was +2 between A and C; and C was -5 between them, then A wins the tiebreaker. If we then needed to choose between B and C, we go back to the first criteria, and B is in over C because they defeated C.

The other questions I believe have been answered above.

Thanks for your clear and prompt answers, I believe I don't have any more questions for now. Especially with regards to your selection process, I think I have an estimate based on your comments about last CoH being too leninent, about how you would decide whether to prefer XXX nation over YYY nation at the borderlines of your list, about how you mentioned approximately 4 quality RPs. It might be a tough call for me in the end, but I do have faith in this bid and the hosts should this be the winning bid

Also,

Lorrana wrote:You have a vote from Lorrana

Off-topic, but I don't think you can vote, based on the constitution, since you have not participated in 2 consecutive WCs with a roster.

World Cup Committee Constitution wrote:1.1 The World Cup Committee
1.1.1 Entry
Nations are admitted to the WCC in two ways:
i) Posting a valid, timely roster or squad list in each of the most recent two completed World Cup's official Roster threads grants membership of the WCC. This must then be renewed each Cup to maintain membership.
ii) Hosting a World Cup to its completion, which grants a nation permanent membership of the WCC. However, that user may only exercise their privileges as a WCC member as long as one of their nations has participated in the most recent World Cup.

1.1.2 Rights and Obligations
WCC members are allowed to:
i) Nominate and vote for a WCC President and Vice-President
ii) Vote on World Cup hosting bids.
iii) Vote on Cup of Harmony hosting bids.
iv) Propose and vote on changes to the WCC Constitution

PotatoFarmers wrote:

Lorrana wrote:You have a vote from Lorrana

Off-topic, but I don't think you can vote, based on the constitution, since you have not participated in 2 consecutive WCs with a roster.

Hah ok, forget I every voted

I've noticed that you've not provided information on entry requirements to what I think is a reasonable satisfaction. I think you should provide either an 'RP minimum' so that it is known what you need to do to get into the Cup of Harmony, or a maximum number of nations in the competition. You are at liberty, of course, to be slightly flexible with the 'minimum' if you aren't quite at an easy-to-use number. But for me to vote for this bid, I'd require more specifically an 'RP minimum requirement' or a maximum number cap on the Cup of Harmony.

EDIT: I can see you've broadly outlined it in further posts, but I'd still prefer something more concrete if possible.

Ethane wrote:I've noticed that you've not provided information on entry requirements to what I think is a reasonable satisfaction. I think you should provide either an 'RP minimum' so that it is known what you need to do to get into the Cup of Harmony, or a maximum number of nations in the competition. You are at liberty, of course, to be slightly flexible with the 'minimum' if you aren't quite at an easy-to-use number. But for me to vote for this bid, I'd require more specifically an 'RP minimum requirement' or a maximum number cap on the Cup of Harmony.

EDIT: I can see you've broadly outlined it in further posts, but I'd still prefer something more concrete if possible.

Seconded, though outlining potentially larger sizes that are likely closer to providing a home for all RPers of some level of quality is encouraging.

My reason for holding back a little bit and not saying a "minimum of 4 RP's will get you an invite" is because of the quality vs quantity argument. Setting something in solid concrete on a "quantity" level when "quality" is the primary component looked for can cause some people to be disappointed later. If I need to decide between a nation on the cut line that produced three strong RP's at varying intervals (say at MD 2, 12, and 16); that nation is going to get the invite over the nation that produced four smaller RP's by MD 7 and was never seen in the RP thread again.

Here's as concrete as I am comfortable making it: If you have produced at least four quality or decent RP's, you'll get an invite. If you have produced four RP's that were just a few lines each time, then we will look for someone who may have produced three quality or decent RP's first before giving you an invite.

48 is the number we are hoping for, and it seems as though this is going to be hit. If when judging everything, we see that 52 people are worthy, then we will expand to 56.

A question for both hosts, now voting is open:

Following the debate here and elsewhere on the intricacies of invitation criteria, would you confirm that the OP of your bid is now the finalised host offer to be voted on?

Many thanks!

Tequilo wrote:A question for both hosts, now voting is open:

Following the debate here and elsewhere on the intricacies of invitation criteria, would you confirm that the OP of your bid is now the finalised host offer to be voted on?

Many thanks!

The OP of the bid, as well as the formats I mentioned in replies on this thread are final.

Will there be a roleplay carryover from the WCQ to CoH? I note it is not standard practise to offer it, but I ask anyways.

Electrum wrote:Will there be a roleplay carryover from the WCQ to CoH? I note it is not standard practise to offer it, but I ask anyways.

There will be no such carryover if we win the bid. Nations that advance receive the fruits of their RP labor with the KPB update that comes out after qualifying.

Hey guys! It's a bit late to really impact the votes, but I'm going to ask anyway. You're using goals for as a potential tiebreaker. It's unlikely that this will come into effect because it is so far down the order of tiebreakers, but why are you using this tiebreaker?

My reasoning for asking this is that I feel it unfairly advantages positive modifier teams, as they are likely to score more goals - and thus will have a higher goals for record than negative style modifier teams.

EDIT: Just noticed you previously mentioned it. Still, just saying that I don't necessarily think it should be included, but I understand your reasons for doing so.