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New Drawk: World Cup 86 Bid, Newmanistan-Drawkland

Postby Newmanistan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:58 am

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NEW DRAWK AWAITS: Newmanistan-Drawkland World Cup 86 Bid

"It's Not Rocket Science"


Start spreadin’ the news, we’re bidding today,
And you can be a part of it,
New Drawk, New Drawk,


Introduction:
Want some sky blue, but want to go big? As in Drawkland big? It’s not Rocket Science! Come to New Drawk, because if you make it here, you can make it anywhere! Newmanistan and Drawkland are proud to come together and bid for the coveted 86th World Cup. We have come off an incredible World Cup 85, where the roleplay record was not only beaten, but it was shattered. Let’s move forward off of that, and have ourselves a great World Cup!

Who are the potential hosts?:

About Newmanistan: The Empire first participated in World Cup 40 and won the Baptism of Fire prior to its attempt to qualify for that Cup. It has gone on to win the Cup of Harmony on three occasions, though has struggled to qualify for the World Cup more often then not. That has not stopped the fanbase from being sports-crazed, as the Empire participates in most of the major sports that are offered. There is no nation more successful in the World Baseball Classic then Newmanistan, having won it six times. Many top notch facilities will be offered, including the prestigious Tundra Falls Proving Grounds, which is where the final would be played.

When not following sports, Newmanistanian citizens enjoy life in a nation with a powerful economy and an Emperor (Michael V) who rules with a fair hand. Newmanistan, located in Esportiva, is a modern nation with something for everyone, and is always welcoming towards tourists.

About Drawkland: Drawkland didn't enter the World Cup until much later, entering in Baptism of Fire 64 and qualifying for that very World Cup. The following qualification streak was unprecedented (up until a certain Commonwealth stole the thunder a few cycles later), but the World Cup results themselves left a little to be desired. In other sports, Drawkland has been much more successful. Like Newmanistan, Drawkland participates in most other major sports, and has some titles to show for it. Drawkian fans are always hyped no matter the sport, and come out in droves no matter the matchup. The venues are some of the biggest and best in the multiverse, and World Cup 86 nations will be welcomed to them with open arms.

Outside of the sports realm, Drawkland also dominates the planet/region of Sonnel both economically and geopolitically. Led by the immortal Drawkionel Iarocav and his 4 fellow Drawkionels, Drawkland has enjoyed a long and deep timeline of storied history and beautiful culture. We know many people have never traveled to another world, and Drawkian tourists are always more than happy to show tourists the ropes.

Hosting Experience:
While both nations in this bid are well-experienced and worthy of being called a senior host, that distinction falls on Newmanistan.

In football (Soccer), Newmanistan has co-hosted World Cup 49, three Cups of Harmony (33, 35, and 39), as well as Campionato Esportiva 25.

In baseball, Newmanistan has been an active host of the World Baseball Classic, doing so in editions 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, 46, and 49. Other hosting ventures include World Bowls 1, 2, 5 and 35; International Basketball Championships 24, and World Cup of Hockey 10.

Newmanistan’s most involved hosting effort is actually the running and organizing of NSSCRA, which in the current era has run for four seasons. (6-9). Newmanistan has also run and organized multiple editions of the NSCAA Basketball competition.

While Drawkland is designated as the junior host for this tournament, this is not to say they aren't an experienced and competent host.

The Drawkians have played host to every event in the World Cup Cycle, specifically World Cup 79 (with Ceni), Cup of Harmony 70 (with Eshan), and Baptism of Fire 65 (with Spaam). They've also hosted the Independent Associations Championship, edition 7 (solo).

In the other major tournaments, Drawkland has hosted World Bowl XXIX (with Frenline Delpha), International Basketball Championships 21 (with Royal Kingdom of Quebec), and World Baseball Classic 48 (solo).

Several miscellaneous competitions have been hosted by Drawkland. For a small sample, consider Handball World Cup 18, International Cups of 7ball 1 and 2, and the perennial hosting of at least one NSCF and NSCAA conference per edition.

The Format:

Read... my.... lips: No... uneven.... groups.

Now, with that out of the way, let’s get to the format. To start, we will also be hoping to have the sign up thread not be up for ages. However, we’re not going to put a timeline on it because we cannot control that until after we would have been named hosts.

As for groups? You will be playing in even-sized groups. Absolutely, don’t worry about that. We will be looking to work with a structure of 15 groups, because is the ideal way to do it. However, that might not be the reality, so we will go to structures that have more then 15 groups and therefore have the playoff.

Here is something that Drawkland and I each like: The 18 groups format. This sends all group winners to the World Cup. It also is not going to subject all second place teams to a playoff. Second place teams who also dominated their group can also clinch their ticket without a playoff if they were one of the six best second place teams. The other 12? They are in the playoff. If we limit group sizes to 10, this accommodates 182 signups. That is similar, but lower then what we had in World Cup 85. Since we are not going to have the signup thread up for as long, and because the “Drew Durnil” newbie explosion may not happen again, we feel it is probable that we will not have as many signups this time around, though the number could still be high. We’re not ruling out 20 groups as an option, and we could do 20 groups of 10 as well. But 15 or 18? Those are the targets. Did we say, no uneven groups yet? Absolutely, no uneven groups.

Now, relax.

Close your eyes, and relax.

Don’t want to get burned out? Don’t want to feel as though every day, you have to wake up and turn out a World Cup roleplay? Want to focus on another competition for a day? Yeah, many of us can relate to that. With this bid, scorination is done every 48 hours, two matchdays at a time. Every time we cut off. Let’s make this happen, and be excited, but don’t feel obligated every day. Life happens.

With that scorination, we are going to use the trusty xkoranate, version 0.3.3, and the NSFS formula. Additive style modifiers will be used, from -5 to +5.

Tiebreakers used will be head to head results, first, including H2H goal difference. Then overall goal difference, and wins. After that, cumulative RP bonus attained by the nation as the final tiebreaker (in character, this is a coin flip).

RP and Roster Bonuses:
We will be generous, but perhaps traditional in this regard in the amount of RP bonus that is awarded per day. The bar of RP bonus will be cumulative throughout qualifiers. No eliminating anything that you earned during the tournament. As for rosters, a rosterless penalty isn’t really a bad idea but we’re going to be positive about it. What we will do is give those who provide one a roster bonus that will be significant and likely more then has been provided in the past. Additionally, for every matchday that a nation is late in posting their roster, the eventual roster bonus in which they would have received, will be reduced by 10%, to a maximum of 50%. We are willing to consider, but are not ready to commit right now to public RP bonus by also allowing our google sheet to be visible. Don't worry, we will post the roster thread within 48 hours, tops, of being named hosts, so there will be plenty of time to submit the roster.

The RP bonus carryover dilemma:
There are lot of you out there who don’t want this. We get that. There are lot of you who do want this, and want a good amount of it. We’re going to compromise here and give you a little bit. You do get a rank update after qualifiers, and that can fairly be consider the real carryover for RP bonus. We’re going to extend a little bit of this. It won’t be a big deal, but it will be present.

Those World Cup 85 blues,
can be melting away....
You can make a brand start of it, with New Drawk
If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere,
It’s up to you, New Drawk, New Drawk.

You’ll want to wake up, in a place that never sleeps,
And find that you’re number one; top of the list.
King of the Cup, the world number one,
Those other former Cup blues, can be melting away,

And you can make a brand new start of it, in New Drawk
If you can make it here. You can make it anywhere,
It’s up to you to vote for New Drawk!



Questions? Comments? Ask away!
Six-time World Baseball Classic Champions
NEWMANISTAN SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS:
CHAMPIONSHIPS: DBC 4; 27th BoF; CoH 34, 36, & 37; Oxen Cup 12; WBC 10, 12, 15, 17, 41, & 43; IBC 4, 5, & 29; CE 26; WLC 1
Runner Up: DBC 5 & 6; Oxen Cup 6; WBC 7,9 11, 14, & 45; IBC 1; WB 4, 6 & 34; WLC 2 & 3
World Cups qualified for: 46, 48 (R of 16), 49, 50, 54
Hosted: WORLD CUP 49, WB 1, 2, 5, & 35; WBC 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, & 46; CoH 33, 35, & 39; CE 25, WLC 2, 4 & 5; WCoH 10, IBC 24, NSSCRA, Multiple NSCAA Basketball Tournaments, and a horse racing series

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Postby Drawkland » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:00 am

Tag as co-bidder!
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Postby Free Republics » Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:09 am

I noticed this is the only bid so far that has not revealed their bonus scale. Is this an intentional decision on your part?
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Postby Newmanistan » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:06 pm

Free Republics wrote:I noticed this is the only bid so far that has not revealed their bonus scale. Is this an intentional decision on your part?


I wouldn't say it is an intentional decision for any other reason then most bids don't usually lay out RP bonus scales as specifically as the other two bids has done, and we were just doing what might have been the norm on another WC cycle.

Sure, we can mention it. The scale is 1.5 per scorination day. Bear in mind that two matchdays make up one scorination day with our proposal. This will go with what will be an aggressive roster bonus potentially awarded. This is cumulative to the end, and that is something I really like. Because if your best roleplays were on MD 3 and 4, then that's when they were. Maybe that's when real life allowed you to post more and devote more time to it. That's why I like cumulative to the end. If we have 20 matchdays, that is 10 scorinations, so a nation hitting max RP bonus every day adds 15 to their KPB. The aggressive roster bonus (specific number not yet determined and will not be until the format is known, but will be AT LEAST 5 as a max) adds more potential value. Newbies or newer nations can have success in this system but a balance of rank and roleplay will always need to be in place, and will be.
Six-time World Baseball Classic Champions
NEWMANISTAN SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS:
CHAMPIONSHIPS: DBC 4; 27th BoF; CoH 34, 36, & 37; Oxen Cup 12; WBC 10, 12, 15, 17, 41, & 43; IBC 4, 5, & 29; CE 26; WLC 1
Runner Up: DBC 5 & 6; Oxen Cup 6; WBC 7,9 11, 14, & 45; IBC 1; WB 4, 6 & 34; WLC 2 & 3
World Cups qualified for: 46, 48 (R of 16), 49, 50, 54
Hosted: WORLD CUP 49, WB 1, 2, 5, & 35; WBC 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, & 46; CoH 33, 35, & 39; CE 25, WLC 2, 4 & 5; WCoH 10, IBC 24, NSSCRA, Multiple NSCAA Basketball Tournaments, and a horse racing series

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Postby Newmanistan » Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:07 am

Is there are more questions or concerns that people have on our bid, or other feedback?
All of it is gladly appreciated!
Six-time World Baseball Classic Champions
NEWMANISTAN SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS:
CHAMPIONSHIPS: DBC 4; 27th BoF; CoH 34, 36, & 37; Oxen Cup 12; WBC 10, 12, 15, 17, 41, & 43; IBC 4, 5, & 29; CE 26; WLC 1
Runner Up: DBC 5 & 6; Oxen Cup 6; WBC 7,9 11, 14, & 45; IBC 1; WB 4, 6 & 34; WLC 2 & 3
World Cups qualified for: 46, 48 (R of 16), 49, 50, 54
Hosted: WORLD CUP 49, WB 1, 2, 5, & 35; WBC 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, & 46; CoH 33, 35, & 39; CE 25, WLC 2, 4 & 5; WCoH 10, IBC 24, NSSCRA, Multiple NSCAA Basketball Tournaments, and a horse racing series

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Postby Graintfjall » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:13 am

I do not have a vote.

My concern about double-scorination is it penalizes, rather than alleviates, burnout. Miss a scorination because you're not feeling creative or busy IRL, and you get a double load of matches with no RP bonus. The idea that people might write 2 good RPs in the 2 day period is nice, but I wonder how often it will really happen. I'm interested to see how it pans out (has it been tried in other tournaments?) but I'm a bit concerned that the RPers with low KPB rankings will be the worst affected by it.

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Postby Newmanistan » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:09 am

Graintfjall wrote:I do not have a vote.

My concern about double-scorination is it penalizes, rather than alleviates, burnout. Miss a scorination because you're not feeling creative or busy IRL, and you get a double load of matches with no RP bonus. The idea that people might write 2 good RPs in the 2 day period is nice, but I wonder how often it will really happen. I'm interested to see how it pans out (has it been tried in other tournaments?) but I'm a bit concerned that the RPers with low KPB rankings will be the worst affected by it.


Thank you for reaching out to us, all feedback is valuable, whether you have a vote or not.

The double scorination, every two days, that we propose would be the first time that it was executed from start to finish.
Here is what to keep in mind, in regards to your concern: Every two days, with our bid, a participant can gain 1.5 points. If you're not feeling it one day, you have a chance the next day. If you are not feeling it that day either, then, you have missed out on the potential 1.5 bonus.

Now, an alternative bid with single scorination, with a 1.5 bonus per day, and you didn't role play on two consecutive days, you have missed out on a potential 3.0 points, not 1.5.

If you weren't feeling it for four consecutive days, you miss out, potentially, on 3.0 points with our bid, and potentially 6.0 with a bid that scorinates every day. So, this is why we feel that our bid is the better option to ease potential burnout. The BAR system proposal probably could go either way for someone in this regard.
Six-time World Baseball Classic Champions
NEWMANISTAN SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS:
CHAMPIONSHIPS: DBC 4; 27th BoF; CoH 34, 36, & 37; Oxen Cup 12; WBC 10, 12, 15, 17, 41, & 43; IBC 4, 5, & 29; CE 26; WLC 1
Runner Up: DBC 5 & 6; Oxen Cup 6; WBC 7,9 11, 14, & 45; IBC 1; WB 4, 6 & 34; WLC 2 & 3
World Cups qualified for: 46, 48 (R of 16), 49, 50, 54
Hosted: WORLD CUP 49, WB 1, 2, 5, & 35; WBC 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, & 46; CoH 33, 35, & 39; CE 25, WLC 2, 4 & 5; WCoH 10, IBC 24, NSSCRA, Multiple NSCAA Basketball Tournaments, and a horse racing series

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Postby Graintfjall » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:09 am

Newmanistan wrote:Now, an alternative bid with single scorination, with a 1.5 bonus per day, and you didn't role play on two consecutive days, you have missed out on a potential 3.0 points, not 1.5.

If you weren't feeling it for four consecutive days, you miss out, potentially, on 3.0 points with our bid, and potentially 6.0 with a bid that scorinates every day. So, this is why we feel that our bid is the better option to ease potential burnout. The BAR system proposal probably could go either way for someone in this regard.

So doesn’t that mean that for those who do actively RP, the RP bonus you’re offering is lower than it would be for a daily scorination?

That said, I sort of want your bid to work just so we can see how this double scorination actually works. Thanks for responding.

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Postby Newmanistan » Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:38 am

Graintfjall wrote:
Newmanistan wrote:Now, an alternative bid with single scorination, with a 1.5 bonus per day, and you didn't role play on two consecutive days, you have missed out on a potential 3.0 points, not 1.5.

If you weren't feeling it for four consecutive days, you miss out, potentially, on 3.0 points with our bid, and potentially 6.0 with a bid that scorinates every day. So, this is why we feel that our bid is the better option to ease potential burnout. The BAR system proposal probably could go either way for someone in this regard.

So doesn’t that mean that for those who do actively RP, the RP bonus you’re offering is lower than it would be for a daily scorination?

That said, I sort of want your bid to work just so we can see how this double scorination actually works. Thanks for responding.


If one is comparing where a user could gain the most RP bonus, we are very competitive (with a 15 point possible max). When I look at the Krytenia-Delaclava bid, I see that in a 20-MD period, their ceiling would be slightly higher (18 to 15). The Taeshan-EFL bid would be 20.

According to the BAR system bid: "Best, Average, Recent. Together, these three pieces plus the roster will be worth a possible total of 16 points. Each MD of RP will be scored on a 0-2 scale, as will the rosters, and applied as follows".

At first glance then, we are fourth (20, 18, 16... and 15). However also consider that we are offering an aggressive roster bonus which will have at least a 5-point max. If it's five, that puts our max to 20. 16 is as high as the BAR system proposes. Tae-EFL potentially goes up to 22. The Delaclava-Krytenia did not mention what their max roster bonus would be.

If it helps, Drawk and I can come to decision in a day or two what we settle on for our max roster bonus, and potentially making it to meet the Tae-EFL bid.
Six-time World Baseball Classic Champions
NEWMANISTAN SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS:
CHAMPIONSHIPS: DBC 4; 27th BoF; CoH 34, 36, & 37; Oxen Cup 12; WBC 10, 12, 15, 17, 41, & 43; IBC 4, 5, & 29; CE 26; WLC 1
Runner Up: DBC 5 & 6; Oxen Cup 6; WBC 7,9 11, 14, & 45; IBC 1; WB 4, 6 & 34; WLC 2 & 3
World Cups qualified for: 46, 48 (R of 16), 49, 50, 54
Hosted: WORLD CUP 49, WB 1, 2, 5, & 35; WBC 8, 11, 14, 19, 38, 44, & 46; CoH 33, 35, & 39; CE 25, WLC 2, 4 & 5; WCoH 10, IBC 24, NSSCRA, Multiple NSCAA Basketball Tournaments, and a horse racing series


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