Rugby Union World Cup 27 - SIGNUPS

by **Geektopia** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:37 am

Aimena makes an appearance in their first sporting competition! Congratulations to the little guy!

by **Aimena** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:37 am

I can confirm this.

by **Romanovskaya** » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:03 am

If this is still open then count us in!

by **Ko-oren** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:24 am

Rugby Union World Cup 27 @ Ko-oren

Ko-oren is a beautiful archipelago in Atlantian Oceania's northwest. We have a long history in playing rugby union, and we would love for the sport's premier competition to come to us this time. The games would be divided among the rugby-crazy cities in our southwest, where we have plenty of venues and landscapes to choose from. Nostalgic stadium in the mountains? Massive metropolitan stadium? Or smaller city on a desolate coast? They'll all be included, but can your team make it that far?

Format
We currently have 24 signups. That's a number that works, but I prefer to wait for 35/36/40/42 signups. Signups have only been opened for a few days, so I'm sure there will be more entrants. No matter what, I want to include a Round of 16 like in the previous few RUWCs. I also want group sizes to be 5 or 6, preferably six. That means that 36 and 42 entrants would all work best, but 35 and 40 are fine too.

Basically:
35 teams -> 7 groups of 5 teams -> best two for each group advance + two best 3rd placed teams
36 teams -> 6 groups of 6 teams -> best two of each group advance + four best 3rd placed teams
40 teams -> 8 groups of 5 teams -> best two of each group advance
42 teams -> 7 groups of 6 teams -> best two of each group advance + two best 3rd placed teams.

Should the number of signups stay on the low side, I am willing to work with 30 teams as well (5 groups of 6 teams -> best three of each group advance + best no. 4)

Tiebreakers
1. Overall points (win = 4, draw = 2 & 1 bonus point for losing by 7 points or fewer & 1 bonus point for winning by 15 points or more)
2. Point differential
3. H2H
4. Wins
5. Coin toss

Scorination
Xkoranate 0.3.3. with SQIS' Rugby Union formula will be used. RP bonus will not degrade. Modifiers between -5 and +5 are allowed.

Puppet Policy
- Puppets are not to be drawn against their master nation in the group stages. After that, I won't make that distinction.
- One puppet per person.
- If a team has to be cut to make for a nicer number, puppets will be the first to go, according to the last in, first out principle.

Experience
I have co-hosted a World Cup of Hockey before, and last year I hosted a T20 WC as well as a World Bowl. Other than that, I ran the international club competitions for baseball in the past. Currently I run the international club competitions for rugby league and gridiron. I also run an extensive domestic system for many different sports. My rugby union experience includes participating in many RUWCs in the past, as well as winning twice and finishing second once.

by **Bongo Johnson** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:02 am

Bongo Johnson in for the rugby

by **Apox** » Sun Apr 07, 2019 2:10 pm

Ko-oren wrote:1. Overall points (win = 4, draw = 2 & 1 bonus point for losing by 7 points or fewer & 1 bonus point for winning by 15 points or more)

One question regarding the bonus points (emphasis mine) - a number of years ago, The Babbage Islands I believe, worked out that four tries scored in a match normally is around 32/33 points, with 33 points being often used as the score required to get a winning bonus point. I was just wondering why you'd gone for a change from this to winning by 15 or more points?

This isn't a deal breaker for me though, and everything else in the bid looks splendid.

by **Ko-oren** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:51 am

Apox wrote:
Ko-oren wrote:1. Overall points (win = 4, draw = 2 & 1 bonus point for losing by 7 points or fewer & 1 bonus point for winning by 15 points or more)

One question regarding the bonus points (emphasis mine) - a number of years ago, The Babbage Islands I believe, worked out that four tries scored in a match normally is around 32/33 points, with 33 points being often used as the score required to get a winning bonus point. I was just wondering why you'd gone for a change from this to winning by 15 or more points?

Thanks for the question! The problem is pretty simple. For those that aren't familiar with some competition structures of rugby union, there a bonus points to be gotten for close losses (which aren't the problem here). There are also bonus points for offensive play, which in 6 Nations is earned by scoring four tries. The bigger problem here is that teams with positive style mods have a much larger chance at passing a 32/33-point barrier. Say a +5 team wins 35-28. That's a 7-point win, so both teams get the bonus point. A -5 team in the same situation would win something like 14-7. The losing team still gets the point, but the winning team isn't rewarded at all.

So, to make the scoring even between teams of all style mods, you have to figure out something else. You can't break the tie by going for 'points scored' because that also favours the high style mod teams. You also can't go for 'points conceded' for the opposite reason.

In some rugby union competitions, a bonus point is earned for winning by three or more tries than your opponent. Since [b]style mods do keep the margin between the teams the same*[b], this is a fair method of handing out bonus points. I decided on a 15-point margin given the three-try-margin rule, because it's three unconverted tries. It had to be anywhere between 15 and 21 (three converted tries), but I settled on 15 because it's also more than 2 converted tries.

*Assumption here, but this goes for most other sports in xkoranate

by **Nova Anglicana** » Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:57 am

Sign us up!

by **Griemvarant** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:33 am

The Rafhurst Emperors are ready to compete. No hopes of hosting, though: our infrastructure wouldn't handle it.

by **United States of Devonta** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:16 am

by **Juvencus** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:46 am

If sign ups are still open, I want some of that juice.

by **Kelssek** » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:12 pm

Ko-oren wrote:So, to make the scoring even between teams of all style mods, you have to figure out something else. You can't break the tie by going for 'points scored' because that also favours the high style mod teams. You also can't go for 'points conceded' for the opposite reason.

Signing up.

This is not a deal breaker for me, but I would point out that as I understand the purpose of the bonus point IRL, the team winning 14-7 getting less of a reward than a team wining 35-28 is actually the system working as intended. In scorinating terms, it's not supposed to be fair to all style mods, it's meant to be biased towards a more attacking modifier. So I'd still urge you to follow the previous practice.

by **Savojarna** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:12 am

We like Union. We shall participate in Union!

by **Northwest Kalactin** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:09 pm

by **Free Republics** » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 pm

The Free Republics are in.

by **Apox** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:46 am

With one bid in, I'd like to encourage anyone else thinking of bidding to get their bids in.

You have 48 hours to get any more bids in, which is 5pm Monday 15th April UTC+1, at which point host voting will occur.

by **Saladistan** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:14 am

We are willing to compete, if possible!

by **Aels** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:02 am

It appears the RUWC24 hosts still have a rank, so Aels will sign up.

However, adding my voice behind Kelssek's opinion. If a user chooses a low or negative style mod for their side, it's because they want to RP their team a certain way, bonus points be damned. That's how it is IRL with coaches setting teams up to ignore bonus points, anyhow. (It certainly worked for Wales in this year's Six Nations.) The bonus points aren't there to be fair to everyone.

by **Ko-oren** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:15 am

Aels wrote:It appears the RUWC24 hosts still have a rank, so Aels will sign up.

However, adding my voice behind Kelssek's opinion. If a user chooses a low or negative style mod for their side, it's because they want to RP their team a certain way, bonus points be damned. That's how it is IRL with coaches setting teams up to ignore bonus points, anyhow. (It certainly worked for Wales in this year's Six Nations.) The bonus points aren't there to be fair to everyone.

Point taken. My position remains the same, however. The bonus points on here are normally modelled after the 6 Nations' system, but that doesn't mean that that is the only system. I've pointed people towards a precedent for what's in my bid, and I don't see the need to make the RUWC as close as possible to 6N (or any other existing competition, for that matter). I will not change the bid.

I will however, take a formal stance on puppets:
- Puppets are not to be drawn against their master nation in the group stages. After that, I won't make that distinction.
- One puppet per person.
- If a team has to be cut to make for a nicer number, puppets will be the first to go, according to the last in, first out principle.

I'll also copy this last bit into my bid.

by **NS Rugby Board Executive Council** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:29 pm

Signups have been updated to this point. We are currently at 35 participants.

The deadline for submitting host bids has come and gone. Ko-oren's bid is the lone one which has been presented. We will now progress to the voting stage, where members of the NSRB's Union section may vote to accept Ko-oren's bid or to reopen bidding. Votes should be sent to New Naitpyge. Voting will remain open until Saturday, April 20th at 10pm Central US time.

by **Neu Engollon** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:00 pm

Ko-oren wrote:I will however, take a formal stance on puppets:
- Puppets are not to be drawn against their master nation in the group stages. After that, I won't make that distinction.
- One puppet per person.
- If a team has to be cut to make for a nicer number, puppets will be the first to go, according to the last in, first out principle.

I'll also copy this last bit into my bid.

As someone who has been pitted against their puppets in group stage multiple times by indifferent hosts in various sports, I wholly support this first part. The other two points are already generally accepted rules by NSS hosts unless specifically stated otherwise.

by **Lisander** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:23 pm

Preconfirming Alice Bay, so we'll have 36.

by **Alice Bay** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:48 pm

Lisander wrote:Preconfirming Alice Bay, so we'll have 36.

Yes, 36. Nine groups of four or six groups of six or twelve groups of three or...

by **Barunia** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:04 am

Still room for the reigning champs?

by **The Authoritarian Republic of Lochario** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:31 am

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