Games of the XIII Olympiad OOC Thread

[Anollasia]

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an error in the medal count for my nation. I should have gotten 2 bronze medals: 1 from "AQUATICS - SWIMMING - Women's 4x100 m Freestyle Relay - Final (MEDAL)" by Kelsey Hewson/Naomi Carson/Sabiha Soydan/Matilda Baker and 1 from "JUDO - Men's 60 kg - Repechage, Semifinal & Medal Rounds" by Raymond Li.

[Free Republics]

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an error in the medal count for my nation. I should have gotten 2 bronze medals: 1 from "AQUATICS - SWIMMING - Women's 4x100 m Freestyle Relay - Final (MEDAL)" by Kelsey Hewson/Naomi Carson/Sabiha Soydan/Matilda Baker and 1 from "JUDO - Men's 60 kg - Repechage, Semifinal & Medal Rounds" by Raymond Li.

I had missed all of the Fencing and Judo medals due to forgetting to put (MEDAL) next to those events. They should all be counted now.

[Amuaplye]

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an error in the medal count for my nation. I should have gotten 2 bronze medals: 1 from "AQUATICS - SWIMMING - Women's 4x100 m Freestyle Relay - Final (MEDAL)" by Kelsey Hewson/Naomi Carson/Sabiha Soydan/Matilda Baker and 1 from "JUDO - Men's 60 kg - Repechage, Semifinal & Medal Rounds" by Raymond Li.

I had missed all of the Fencing and Judo medals due to forgetting to put (MEDAL) next to those events. They should all be counted now.

My total is listed as 1 instead of 2.

[Amuaplye]

I'm open to contributing some input in your RPs if you want to include some interactions with my delegation especially during competition.

Sorry, I haven't seen your post until now. Maybe we can talk about this in TGs?

[Diarcesia]

I'm open to contributing some input in your RPs if you want to include some interactions with my delegation especially during competition.

Sorry, I haven't seen your post until now. Maybe we can talk about this in TGs?

Sure

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Quick question: Is the tennis being played on grass, clay or hard?

Also Free Republics thanks for all the effort your putting in to this I imagine it takes a while. It's much appreciated

Or even carpet

[Porabasta]

Why is it that the women's boxing is 4 rounds and the men's is 3? Is that a thing in real life?

[Liventia]

Why is it that the women's boxing is 4 rounds and the men's is 3? Is that a thing in real life?

Yes, because the men do three rounds x three minutes; the women four rounds x two minutes.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why is it that the women's boxing is 4 rounds and the men's is 3? Is that a thing in real life?

Yes, because the men do three rounds x three minutes; the women four rounds x two minutes.

That's very strange.

[Liventia]

Yes, because the men do three rounds x three minutes; the women four rounds x two minutes.

That's very strange.

This isn't purely an amateur boxing thing. IRL women also fight two-minute rounds in pro boxing. (Indeed, the WBC refuses to sanction any bouts with three-minute rounds or even the full 12 rounds for women.)

[Liventia]

Is there a thread that lists all the records? Or is it kept in a wiki or something else offsite?

Not an up-to-date list. I'm working off a spreadsheet that I'll put on Google Docs or somewhere after this Games.

On this note…
I'm nearly done updating all existing records, which I intend to stick in an RP tonight or tomorrow.

However, we do still have the issue of records that exist from the very first Games, Ashford, which pre-dates xkoranate. Many of these marks were based on the then-world records (which, in many cases, still stand in athletics). Xkoranate, by comparison, is based on RL Olympic performances.

As a result, in nearly 30 athletics and at least one cycling and two swimming events, there are records that may never be broken.

I propose the following:
1. Strip Ashford results of 'Olympic record' (OR) status. The next-best mark set after Ashford will become the official OR.
2. Recognise Ashford results that are stripped of OR status as 'Olympic best' marks (OB). This is to recognise the fact that those results were generated in good faith, and will acknowledge that they still have official recognition within the NS Olympics.

This will have the effect of making many athletics events have records that are once again breakable. To have 30 athletics events with records that will never be broken under our current scorination methods is not exactly great.

Any thoughts?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

That's very strange.

This isn't purely an amateur boxing thing. IRL women also fight two-minute rounds in pro boxing. (Indeed, the WBC refuses to sanction any bouts with three-minute rounds or even the full 12 rounds for women.)

Is this just paternalism from the WBC then?

[Liventia]

Not an up-to-date list. I'm working off a spreadsheet that I'll put on Google Docs or somewhere after this Games.

Ok, thanks!

Right, finally got round to finishing that records spreadsheet. It's available for perusal here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... HJ/pubhtml

This is, as far as I'm aware, completely correct. I have gone back through each of the results threads to make sure.

[Kelssek]

Quick question: Is the tennis being played on grass, clay or hard?

To venture a more helpful response: hard courts are the most common surface, and there isn't a rule (AFAIK) about what surface the Olympic tournament is played on, though it's always been hard courts with the exception of London 2012.

Given that the host hasn't specified and it doesn't seem to have been a feature of any RPs so far, I'd say few if any people would have a problem with you RPing that it was a hard, clay, or grass court. Realistically, the entire tournament would have to be played on the same surface, so bear that in mind.

1. Strip Ashford results of 'Olympic record' (OR) status. The next-best mark set after Ashford will become the official OR.
2. Recognise Ashford results that are stripped of OR status as 'Olympic best' marks (OB). This is to recognise the fact that those results were generated in good faith, and will acknowledge that they still have official recognition within the NS Olympics.

This will have the effect of making many athletics events have records that are once again breakable. To have 30 athletics events with records that will never be broken under our current scorination methods is not exactly great.

Potentially Controversial Suggestion(tm):
Allow future hosts to modify the xml file so that the "best" possible result is the RL world record?

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Quick question: Is the tennis being played on grass, clay or hard?

To venture a more helpful response: hard courts are the most common surface, and there isn't a rule (AFAIK) about what surface the Olympic tournament is played on, though it's always been hard courts with the exception of London 2012.

Given that the host hasn't specified and it doesn't seem to have been a feature of any RPs so far, I'd say few if any people would have a problem with you RPing that it was a hard, clay, or grass court. Realistically, the entire tournament would have to be played on the same surface, so bear that in mind.

1. Strip Ashford results of 'Olympic record' (OR) status. The next-best mark set after Ashford will become the official OR.
2. Recognise Ashford results that are stripped of OR status as 'Olympic best' marks (OB). This is to recognise the fact that those results were generated in good faith, and will acknowledge that they still have official recognition within the NS Olympics.

This will have the effect of making many athletics events have records that are once again breakable. To have 30 athletics events with records that will never be broken under our current scorination methods is not exactly great.

Potentially Controversial Suggestion(tm):
Allow future hosts to modify the xml file so that the "best" possible result is the RL world record?

I don't like that solution.
Many nations in the ns multiverse rp nations that are massively more technically-advanced, or have different species, or are simply immensely large. For this reason, other nations would most certainly have had to improve at sport and dedecate a lot of money to sports training as compared to RL: therefore it makes sense that not only is it possible to break the RL world record, it is a regular event.

[Liventia]

Potentially Controversial Suggestion(tm):
Allow future hosts to modify the xml file so that the "best" possible result is the RL world record?

I'm not completely against that idea, but would prefer middle ground along the lines of, for example, the world best in the last year, rather than the WR/last Olympic performance.

I don't like that solution.
Many nations in the ns multiverse rp nations that are massively more technically-advanced, or have different species, or are simply immensely large. For this reason, other nations would most certainly have had to improve at sport and dedecate a lot of money to sports training as compared to RL: therefore it makes sense that not only is it possible to break the RL world record, it is a regular event.

I think you're missing the point. NS Sport ignores all technology levels and the different species, for a level playing field. As such it makes no sense to say we should forgo RL boundaries just for the sake of some people's technology levels. The scorinator already provides for the (however rare) possibility of a result better than the highest score written in each file. To go further than that would remove a lot of the realism/fun that a level playing field provides.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Potentially Controversial Suggestion(tm):
Allow future hosts to modify the xml file so that the "best" possible result is the RL world record?

I'm not completely against that idea, but would prefer middle ground along the lines of, for example, the world best in the last year, rather than the WR/last Olympic performance.

I don't like that solution.
Many nations in the ns multiverse rp nations that are massively more technically-advanced, or have different species, or are simply immensely large. For this reason, other nations would most certainly have had to improve at sport and dedecate a lot of money to sports training as compared to RL: therefore it makes sense that not only is it possible to break the RL world record, it is a regular event.

I think you're missing the point. NS Sport ignores all technology levels and the different species, for a level playing field. As such it makes no sense to say we should forgo RL boundaries just for the sake of some people's technology levels. The scorinator already provides for the (however rare) possibility of a result better than the highest score written in each file. To go further than that would remove a lot of the realism/fun that a level playing field provides.

Well, times that would have won the Olympic gold 40 or so years ago would get nowhere near the level required now in some sports. The reason why I pointed out that other nations would have higher sports investments is to forego the advantage that the other species would have in some sports while still allowing for the rl record to be broken.

[Free Republics]

Quick question: Is the tennis being played on grass, clay or hard?

To venture a more helpful response: hard courts are the most common surface, and there isn't a rule (AFAIK) about what surface the Olympic tournament is played on, though it's always been hard courts with the exception of London 2012.

Given that the host hasn't specified and it doesn't seem to have been a feature of any RPs so far, I'd say few if any people would have a problem with you RPing that it was a hard, clay, or grass court. Realistically, the entire tournament would have to be played on the same surface, so bear that in mind.

I hadn't really thought about that but since its usually a hard court in RL, it'll be a hard court in these Olympics.

[Kelssek]

Well, times that would have won the Olympic gold 40 or so years ago would get nowhere near the level required now in some sports. The reason why I pointed out that other nations would have higher sports investments is to forego the advantage that the other species would have in some sports while still allowing for the rl record to be broken.

True, but this is not a linear relationship, but rather one of diminishing marginal returns. I stand to be corrected if someone has better knowledge of sports science, the fact that world record progression in athletics and swimming is plateauing implies that there's a limit to pouring money and technology into human performance and we are reaching it.

A second issue is that technological developments can and have actually been ruled out because the prevailing view is that they're besides the point. Look no further than the rule changes in swimming after 2009 to cut out the advanced swimsuits. Many records from the skinsuit era still have not been beaten.

Given that, there is no reason to go to the extent of basing scorination on conjectures about what times would be recorded given technology of the year 2050, or 10% greater expenditure on athlete training worldwide, etc. - after all, if you're going to take that step, the next question is what parameters do you assume for this doubly-imaginary universe? It is ultimately nonsensical.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

I don't know if I would've gotten involved in this discussion if I had just been going about my business, but with my women's swimmers getting a medal, I thought I'd at least look at the reality.

The women's 4x100 freestyle relay OR is currently 3:30.65 and the NS record is 3:33.45 and the winning time here was 3:34.36

I don't see how converting the Olympic records from the first Games w/o xkorinate to a standard that has been used with the program is different from changing over from old records set in Imperial distances to ones set in metric distances. In my research, I found that U.S. college and H.S. still use yards for their races, so their times are much different than international records that use meters. ICly that could be the RP justification for the use of these newer times.

[Liventia]

I don't know if I would've gotten involved in this discussion if I had just been going about my business, but with my women's swimmers getting a medal, I thought I'd at least look at the reality.

The women's 4x100 freestyle relay OR is currently 3:30.65 and the NS record is 3:33.45 and the winning time here was 3:34.36

I don't see how converting the Olympic records from the first Games w/o xkorinate to a standard that has been used with the program is different from changing over from old records set in Imperial distances to ones set in metric distances. In my research, I found that U.S. college and H.S. still use yards for their races, so their times are much different than international records that use meters. ICly that could be the RP justification for the use of these newer times.

Every Olympic Games has explicitly used metric distances.

In any case, could I please direct further discussion to the main Olympics discussion thread since it's more a general issue rather than one specifically related to the current Games. My bad for bringing the issue up in the wrong thread.

[Free Republics]

Just got the following output from xkoranate for one of the swimming events. Everything was set up correctly, so this is obviously a bug...

Heat 9
1 Jodie O'Keefe (LEN)               0.00
2 Brittney McDonald (CDG)        1:00.44
3 Lethia Cedar (TAE)             1:00.79
4 Ikrisia Sulevire (VEK)         1:00.87
5 Beverley Janson (VKL)          1:02.70
6 Saki Sola (VLT)                1:02.74
7 Valeria Garfield (DAR)         1:03.02
8 Amili Caetoril (EJM)           1:03.49

   Overall ranking
 1 Vivian Carvallo (SRG)            59.62
 2 Ohad Galatea (IOU)               59.83
 3 Jodie O'Keefe (LEN)               0.00
 4 Amalia Herscheg (ATK)          1:00.01
 5 Sanja Tadic (MTJ)              1:00.05
 6 Liz Rowe (LEN)                 1:00.14

Based on her position in the overall ranking, I have interpreted Jodie O'Keefe's time as 1:00.00, which is what it will be listed as in the official results.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Just got the following output from xkoranate for one of the swimming events. Everything was set up correctly, so this is obviously a bug...

Heat 9
1 Jodie O'Keefe (LEN)               0.00
2 Brittney McDonald (CDG)        1:00.44
3 Lethia Cedar (TAE)             1:00.79
4 Ikrisia Sulevire (VEK)         1:00.87
5 Beverley Janson (VKL)          1:02.70
6 Saki Sola (VLT)                1:02.74
7 Valeria Garfield (DAR)         1:03.02
8 Amili Caetoril (EJM)           1:03.49

   Overall ranking
 1 Vivian Carvallo (SRG)            59.62
 2 Ohad Galatea (IOU)               59.83
 3 Jodie O'Keefe (LEN)               0.00
 4 Amalia Herscheg (ATK)          1:00.01
 5 Sanja Tadic (MTJ)              1:00.05
 6 Liz Rowe (LEN)                 1:00.14

Based on her position in the overall ranking, I have interpreted Jodie O'Keefe's time as 1:00.00, which is what it will be listed as in the official results.

That must be incorrect. The Havenic athlete didn't win, obvious error.

[Mattijana]

Hate to be a pain, but it looks like Arnúlfur Kormákursson got advanced instead of Georga Steponim in the men's 66kg judo. I wouldn't have mentioned it, but I think I rated Steponim quite highly and Kormákursson reached the semis despite being knocked out in the round of 32, so it might affect the medals.
Thanks for all the hard work.

[Free Republics]

Hate to be a pain, but it looks like Arnúlfur Kormákursson got advanced instead of Georga Steponim in the men's 66kg judo. I wouldn't have mentioned it, but I think I rated Steponim quite highly and Kormákursson reached the semis despite being knocked out in the round of 32, so it might affect the medals.
Thanks for all the hard work.

That should be fixed now.