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Liventia
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Postby Liventia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:20 pm

In the somewhat unlikely scenario of a tied match, how do you propose to determine a winner (if necessary) in the qualifiers, group stage, and knockout rounds?

Why do you not propose to use home advantage in scorination if ICly the qualifying rounds are not being played in Ko-oren?

Why do you propose head-to-head as a first tiebreaker over net run rate?

Will style mods be in use?
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Postby Ko-oren » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:11 pm

Liventia wrote:In the somewhat unlikely scenario of a tied match, how do you propose to determine a winner (if necessary) in the qualifiers, group stage, and knockout rounds?

Across the qualifiers and group stage, a winner isn't necessary. In the knockouts, given xkoranate doesn't have a super over, I'd rescore the match until the match has a result. Maybe not the most interesting answer, but probably the most realistic.

Liventia wrote:Why do you not propose to use home advantage in scorination if ICly the qualifying rounds are not being played in Ko-oren?

Because there is a likelihood that teams will play an uneven amount of matches in the qualifying round. Suppose there are 7 match rounds: this will give those teams that play 4 home matches an unfair advantage over those that play only 3 home matches.

Liventia wrote:Why do you propose head-to-head as a first tiebreaker over net run rate?

To be fair this is a bit of an experiment of mine. In the context of a tournament on NS, I'd say that head-to-head is a 'fairer' tiebreaker than NRR. I'll admit that realistically (as in, IRL-realistically) NRR would be the preferred first tiebreaker. It just so happens I have a minuscule preference for H2H over NRR.

Liventia wrote:Will style mods be in use?

Yes, they will. I'll put this in the bid.
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Postby The Plough Islands » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:30 pm

Ko-oren wrote:
Liventia wrote:Why do you not propose to use home advantage in scorination if ICly the qualifying rounds are not being played in Ko-oren?

Because there is a likelihood that teams will play an uneven amount of matches in the qualifying round. Suppose there are 7 match rounds: this will give those teams that play 4 home matches an unfair advantage over those that play only 3 home matches.

What's the reasoning behind having qualifiers? The previous two editions have gone straight to a group stage in the host nation and I don't imagine we're likely to get many more entrants than the 24/25 they did. For what it's worth I would prefer all the games be hosted in the host nation.
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Postby Liventia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:39 pm

Ko-oren wrote:
Liventia wrote:In the somewhat unlikely scenario of a tied match, how do you propose to determine a winner (if necessary) in the qualifiers, group stage, and knockout rounds?

Across the qualifiers and group stage, a winner isn't necessary. In the knockouts, given xkoranate doesn't have a super over, I'd rescore the match until the match has a result. Maybe not the most interesting answer, but probably the most realistic.

I would prefer if games weren't rescored. If the scorinator produces a tie, then it's a tie. There are other ways around ties: writing a Super Over file, or advancing the team with the fewer wickets lost, or using overall tournament net run rate, for example.

Ko-oren wrote:
Liventia wrote:Why do you not propose to use home advantage in scorination if ICly the qualifying rounds are not being played in Ko-oren?

Because there is a likelihood that teams will play an uneven amount of matches in the qualifying round. Suppose there are 7 match rounds: this will give those teams that play 4 home matches an unfair advantage over those that play only 3 home matches.

As Plough Islands mentions, I would prefer the entire tournament take place in the host nation, without home advantage (or with a small host bonus). I'm not expressly against having a qualifying round but I don't think it's necessary in a small competition. Not a deal-breaker, though.
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Postby Ko-oren » Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:38 am

I've chosen this three-tiered format (qualification-group-knockouts) because it's been used in the World Twenty20 Championship before (see both X and IX, for instance) and I personally like it. That part of my bid won't change. This format has been used for a field of 25 teams in the past, with 8/10/12 advancing to the group stage.
If it's just about the IC part of it where the entire tournament takes place in Ko-oren instead of just the group stage and the knockouts, that's fine with me. I'll put this in the bid.

The same goes for the Super Over/rescoring issue, if a Super Over makes that much of a difference, I'll use that as well. I'll put that in the bid as well.
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Postby Liventia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:42 am

Ko-oren wrote:The same goes for the Super Over/rescoring issue, if a Super Over makes that much of a difference, I'll use that as well. I'll put that in the bid as well.

The Super Over itself makes no difference to me. The deal-breaker was the rescoring.
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Postby Ko-oren » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:08 pm

Liventia wrote:
Ko-oren wrote:The same goes for the Super Over/rescoring issue, if a Super Over makes that much of a difference, I'll use that as well. I'll put that in the bid as well.

The Super Over itself makes no difference to me. The deal-breaker was the rescoring.


Gotcha. Rescoring isn't a very elegant solution, but it is efficient/practical. I admit that a Super Over is a way better way to handle ties. It's in the bid now, too.
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Postby Melbergia » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:29 am

Sign us up please.

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Postby Liventia » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:53 am

Currently at 21 signups.
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Postby Rooimervania » Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:50 am

Rooimervania proudly registers itself for the World T20 Championships, making its debut on the international stage.

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Postby NS Global Cricket Federation » Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:49 pm

Right then, time for a host vote. The following people may vote on the bid, as they fulfill the criteria posted in the OP of this thread.

Liventia
Mattijana
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Ethane
Barunia
Darmen
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Apox
The Plough Islands
Elejamie
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West Phoenicia

You have the following options to vote on:
1) Accept Ko-oren's host bid
2) Re-open bidding
3) Abstain

Please send all votes to Mareibat by 9am UTC+1 Friday 28th September 2018. Only votes sent by the above people to the specified account will be counted, votes sent to this account or any other account will not count towards the outcome of the host vote.
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Postby Mareibat » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:17 am

Announcing the host votes for World T20 Championships XI:

Accept Ko-oren's bid - 3
Re-open bidding - 0
Abstain - 0

Therefore, it is my great pleasure to hand over control of this tournament to Ko-oren! Over to you!
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Postby Sisdonia » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:16 am

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Postby A Flock of Seagulls » Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:38 am

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Postby Ko-oren » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:09 pm

Thanks for the vote of confidence all! I (hope I) will not disappoint you!

By my (very poor) counting skills, we are currently at 24 signups. I want to keep signups open until this time on Monday 1-Oct-2018 (21:00 PM Central European Summer Time). That will be the final cutoff, at which point I'm aiming for 24, 27, 28 or 30 signups. (Numbers) puppets, such as A Flock of Seagulls, will be cut after that if needed to get down to a nice number.

Once I have the total number of signups, I will start working on a schedule. I aim to start play on the 10th of October, giving you all enough time to post your rosters. Also, I'm out of the country until the 9th, so this way we will avoid an awkward break right at the start.

Everything thread is up, so you can start posting your rosters and RPs. See you all in Ko-oren!
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Postby Ko-oren » Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:12 pm

With that, as promised, sign-ups are closed! If I'm correct, there are 24 signups, listed in the Everything thread. If you don't see your name there even though you've signed up in this thread, let me know asap.

I'll be working on a schedule, soon to be up in the Everything thread.

This thread can be used as an OOC thread if necessary.
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Champions 1x World Cup - 1x CoH - 1x AOCAF - 1x WBC - 4x World Bowl - 1x IBC - 4x RUWC - 3x RLWC - 2x T20 WC - 1x AODICC - 2x ARWC - 1x FHWC - 1x HWC - 1x Beach Cup
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Postby Suryak » Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:14 pm

I'll join in the XII Championships. My favorite sport is cricket from my childhood, so I'm excited to join.
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Postby Ko-oren » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:43 pm

With that, the tournament is over and we have a winner! Congratulations!

I had a lot of fun setting this up and reading what everyone came up with. Thanks!
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Postby The Plough Islands » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:57 pm

Seconded - many thanks to Ko-oren for having us and all the other competitors and delivering an extremely smooth tournament, and well done to West Phoenicia on a well-earned victory. I loved reading all the RPs as well and it was good to have such a nice playground to run loose in :3 My only issues were with the scorinator's handling of run chases, which seemed to be a bit off at times - no team chasing a first innings total over 180 will end up on 97-3, for instance, they'll go for it or die trying - but that in no way reflects badly on our gracious host.

Suryak - please do! There will likely be another Test series first though, in case you prefer the longer form to sloggy sloggy capitalism cricket (:P) - or there's the possibility of other competitions too, but in any case, the more the merrier...
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Postby Elejamie » Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:17 pm

The Plough Islands wrote:Seconded - many thanks to Ko-oren for having us and all the other competitors and delivering an extremely smooth tournament, and well done to West Phoenicia on a well-earned victory. I loved reading all the RPs as well and it was good to have such a nice playground to run loose in :3 My only issues were with the scorinator's handling of run chases, which seemed to be a bit off at times - no team chasing a first innings total over 180 will end up on 97-3, for instance, they'll go for it or die trying - but that in no way reflects badly on our gracious host.


While I somewhat agree with the bit in bold (I understand my sole cricket RP wasn't that great, my scorecards were a bit awkward to the point where in hindsight it was a good idea not doing one for Liventia and my entire team is semi-pro* but losing by 85 runs does seem a trifle worrying), in the end I honestly don't care as I still had fun regardless. So well done on a good tournament Ko-oren, congrats on the trophy WP, commiserations to Rooimervania (even if they are probably going to end up as one of those nations who already CTE'd by the time the next tournament rolls around) and extra special commiserations to losing semi-finalists Liventia and Ko-oren (again). And, of course, good RPs from everyone, especially you, Teusland; it's a shame your guys didn't make it into the final 12 but here's hoping the Edelweiss will be at the next T20 WC.

*As in they still get paid to play but they have proper jobs when they're not playing cricket. Not due to any laws or cheapness from Cricket Elejamie or anything like that, it's just cricket's not really popular enough to warrant my players going pro. Which still amuses me whenever my guys are able to beat established fully-professional cricket sides, as well as win the 9th World T20.

Suryak wrote:I'll join in the XII Championships. My favorite sport is cricket from my childhood, so I'm excited to join.


While that's good to hear, there's still a long way to go and, as The Plough Islands pointed out, there's going to be a test cricket tourney coming first. But here's hoping you'll still be here when sign-ups for the next one open.
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Postby Liventia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:02 pm

With the conclusion of the tournament, the new and updated ranks are as follows (bearing in mind a new ranking formula has come into effect with the end of this cup):
Rank	Nation				Total
1 West Phoenicia 54.835
2 Darmen 44.657
3 Mattijana 41.847
4 Elejamie 41.704
5 Ko-oren 40.960
6 Liventia 40.120
7 Northwest Kalactin 40.059
8 Barunia 38.602
9 Apox 32.708
10 Eastfield Lodge 27.119
11 Ethane 25.724
12 Rooimervania 22.695
13 Busoga Islands 21.472
14 United States of Devonta 20.316
15 The Kiaser Colonies 19.871
16 Damukuni 14.612
17 Mughals royal 14.382
17 The Plough Islands 14.382
19 Jhalpharezi 13.672
20 Natanians and Nosts 13.626
21 Lisander 13.599
22 Melbergia 12.904
23 New Doltania 12.031
24 Indusse 11.628
24 Krytenia 11.628
24 Retricoal 11.628
24 Sisdonia 11.628
24 Teusland 11.628
29 Azadeshia 9.844
29 Juvenis 9.844
31 Eura 8.468
32 Deyrland 7.344
33 Qasden 6.952
34 Asiana 6.016
35 Grand Angland 5.081
35 Spaam 5.081
35 The Iron Syndicate 5.081
38 Addled Braintopia 3.209
38 Balkvia Islands 3.209
38 Tobiasia 3.209
41 A Flock of Seagulls 3.060
42 The Land of Id 2.188
42 Vakolicci Haven and Celeria 2.188
44 Desertfoxenland 1.337
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Postby Lisander » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:43 pm

I still can't believe I missed this deadline. :(
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Postby West Phoenicia » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:39 pm

Thank you to Ko-oren for hosting the event and for all the other nations especially those who jumped on board to roleplay and make this a run championship.

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Postby Liventia » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:14 am

By my calculations, this is the T20 WC with the most RP since the 5th tournament, and that's certainly a good sign. Echoing WP's thanks to Ko-oren for hosting and everyone else for RPing.
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