Athletics/Aquatics World Championships Interest

[Banija]

So I've been around here for a while, and I've never seen, really, world championships(non-Olympic) events for Athletics and Aquatics events, outside of water polo.

I feel like those would be cool- they're interesting to watch, fairly popular, and if done, right, could run smoothly.

Of course, this community has been around for ages, so I guess I'll ask those- has anything like this been tried before? Have they generally been successful? Have people RPed?

Now, of course, if this were to happen(and I'd volunteer to host if enough people wanted it to happen) I do want to clarify a few things.

1. It would function as a world championships for both athletics, and aquatics. It, of course, would not be a substitute for, nor a competitor, to the Olympic Games, for which I wouldn't be able to pull off the Herculean task of hosting at this time. I know there's discussions regarding scheduling and timing of a bid to host that whole thing, and I certainly would not run this event if it ends up conflicting with the Olympics.

2. Knowing my own capabilities, since I'd be running both athletics and aquatics at the same time, I'd probably run a scaled down version of both- almost no chance I would put every single event for both in there. I'd probably have only 32 medal events- 8 men's athletics events, 8 women's athletic events, 8 men's aquatic events, 8 women's aquatic events. Not sure what they'd be at this time- I'd need to do some research of course.

3. In terms of calendar wise, I'd probably try to run something like this in October, after the completion of World Cup 81.

But yea. Your thoughts, agreements, disagreements, love, hate, ideas, etc.... Anything you want to say, please, go ahead.

[Qusmo]

I'd be interesting to hear about Olympic events in non-Olympic tournaments in general. I've long been interested by curling, & I pondered asking around for interest in a curling tournament for a short while, but I decided against it after I considered how many people are rabid curling fans. I think an athletics/aquatics tournament would be a better idea for a tournament for a sport that's less closely-followed. You already have hosting experience, & I trust you to run a tournament like this effectively, but a question: Would you take users' inputs for initial skill ratings, like the NS Olympics does, to differentiate good competitors in one event from another?

[Darmen]

Darmen does love their distance running. Count me down as interested.

[Bruke]

So I've been around here for a while, and I've never seen, really, world championships(non-Olympic) events for Athletics and Aquatics events, outside of water polo.

I feel like those would be cool- they're interesting to watch, fairly popular, and if done, right, could run smoothly.

Of course, this community has been around for ages, so I guess I'll ask those- has anything like this been tried before? Have they generally been successful? Have people RPed?

Now, of course, if this were to happen(and I'd volunteer to host if enough people wanted it to happen) I do want to clarify a few things.

1. It would function as a world championships for both athletics, and aquatics. It, of course, would not be a substitute for, nor a competitor, to the Olympic Games, for which I wouldn't be able to pull off the Herculean task of hosting at this time. I know there's discussions regarding scheduling and timing of a bid to host that whole thing, and I certainly would not run this event if it ends up conflicting with the Olympics.

2. Knowing my own capabilities, since I'd be running both athletics and aquatics at the same time, I'd probably run a scaled down version of both- almost no chance I would put every single event for both in there. I'd probably have only 32 medal events- 8 men's athletics events, 8 women's athletic events, 8 men's aquatic events, 8 women's aquatic events. Not sure what they'd be at this time- I'd need to do some research of course.

3. In terms of calendar wise, I'd probably try to run something like this in October, after the completion of World Cup 81.

But yea. Your thoughts, agreements, disagreements, love, hate, ideas, etc.... Anything you want to say, please, go ahead.

would there be a pre-qualifying event for nations who have not competed before, like the Baptism of Fire for the World Cup?

[The Sherpa Empire]

ICly, the folks at the Sherpa Ministry of Culture would be interested in this. OOCly, I am not sure how much time I will have to RP.

[Banija]

So I've been around here for a while, and I've never seen, really, world championships(non-Olympic) events for Athletics and Aquatics events, outside of water polo.

I feel like those would be cool- they're interesting to watch, fairly popular, and if done, right, could run smoothly.

Of course, this community has been around for ages, so I guess I'll ask those- has anything like this been tried before? Have they generally been successful? Have people RPed?

Now, of course, if this were to happen(and I'd volunteer to host if enough people wanted it to happen) I do want to clarify a few things.

1. It would function as a world championships for both athletics, and aquatics. It, of course, would not be a substitute for, nor a competitor, to the Olympic Games, for which I wouldn't be able to pull off the Herculean task of hosting at this time. I know there's discussions regarding scheduling and timing of a bid to host that whole thing, and I certainly would not run this event if it ends up conflicting with the Olympics.

2. Knowing my own capabilities, since I'd be running both athletics and aquatics at the same time, I'd probably run a scaled down version of both- almost no chance I would put every single event for both in there. I'd probably have only 32 medal events- 8 men's athletics events, 8 women's athletic events, 8 men's aquatic events, 8 women's aquatic events. Not sure what they'd be at this time- I'd need to do some research of course.

3. In terms of calendar wise, I'd probably try to run something like this in October, after the completion of World Cup 81.

But yea. Your thoughts, agreements, disagreements, love, hate, ideas, etc.... Anything you want to say, please, go ahead.

would there be a pre-qualifying event for nations who have not competed before, like the Baptism of Fire for the World Cup?

No. Since this would be the first of its kind(or, most likely, first in a REALLY long time) nobody will have established rankings going into these competitions, so people would be able to sign up directly into the competition.

[Banija]

I'd be interesting to hear about Olympic events in non-Olympic tournaments in general. I've long been interested by curling, & I pondered asking around for interest in a curling tournament for a short while, but I decided against it after I considered how many people are rabid curling fans. I think an athletics/aquatics tournament would be a better idea for a tournament for a sport that's less closely-followed. You already have hosting experience, & I trust you to run a tournament like this effectively, but a question: Would you take users' inputs for initial skill ratings, like the NS Olympics does, to differentiate good competitors in one event from another?

Yes, I would likely use a NS Olympic style signup with user input for initial skill rating. It's a system that works well over there, and serves, from what I can gather, two very good purposes

1. Allows users to rank their athletes, so it's clear to both them and others who they'd probably expect to do well in a competition, and particularly, what competitions the nation would likely do well in.

2. Allows for more effective view of the competition. Who is good, who is the favorite, who to watch out for, etc...

[Qusmo]

I'd be interesting to hear about Olympic events in non-Olympic tournaments in general. I've long been interested by curling, & I pondered asking around for interest in a curling tournament for a short while, but I decided against it after I considered how many people are rabid curling fans. I think an athletics/aquatics tournament would be a better idea for a tournament for a sport that's less closely-followed. You already have hosting experience, & I trust you to run a tournament like this effectively, but a question: Would you take users' inputs for initial skill ratings, like the NS Olympics does, to differentiate good competitors in one event from another?

Yes, I would likely use a NS Olympic style signup with user input for initial skill rating. It's a system that works well over there, and serves, from what I can gather, two very good purposes

1. Allows users to rank their athletes, so it's clear to both them and others who they'd probably expect to do well in a competition, and particularly, what competitions the nation would likely do well in.

2. Allows for more effective view of the competition. Who is good, who is the favorite, who to watch out for, etc...

I'd add, also, that it can reflect reality well; instead of the same nations (who would get uniform RP bonuses for all competitions throughout the tournament, I'd imagine) doing well or doing poorly in nearly every event, some nations can do well in some events, while other nations would do well at others. That's similar, I think, to how Italy typically does well at football & water polo, but not gymnastics or ice hockey, or how Russia typically performs in the inverse. Both perform well overall, but their nations (& cultures [& climates]) emphasize different sports. Plus, users who are OOC fans of one sport but don't really care about another can prioritize the former at the expense of the latter, which I think is another positive of the system.

As much as I like the idea OOCly, as an IC note, I don't think Qusmo would be keen on entering a tournament with separate men's & women's events, seeing as gender doesn't exist in Qusmo.

[Northwest Kalactin]

I’m interested

[Banija]

Yes, I would likely use a NS Olympic style signup with user input for initial skill rating. It's a system that works well over there, and serves, from what I can gather, two very good purposes

1. Allows users to rank their athletes, so it's clear to both them and others who they'd probably expect to do well in a competition, and particularly, what competitions the nation would likely do well in.

2. Allows for more effective view of the competition. Who is good, who is the favorite, who to watch out for, etc...

I'd add, also, that it can reflect reality well; instead of the same nations (who would get uniform RP bonuses for all competitions throughout the tournament, I'd imagine) doing well or doing poorly in nearly every event, some nations can do well in some events, while other nations would do well at others. That's similar, I think, to how Italy typically does well at football & water polo, but not gymnastics or ice hockey, or how Russia typically performs in the inverse. Both perform well overall, but their nations (& cultures [& climates]) emphasize different sports. Plus, users who are OOC fans of one sport but don't really care about another can prioritize the former at the expense of the latter, which I think is another positive of the system.

As much as I like the idea OOCly, as an IC note, I don't think Qusmo would be keen on entering a tournament with separate men's & women's events, seeing as gender doesn't exist in Qusmo.

Yes, that's also a very good point in regards to the initial skill ratings.

In terms of gender- I was originally going to propose making it non sex specific, since that's the norm for most competition in NS. However, I didn't for 2 reasons, and primarily reason #1.

1. xkoronate for athletics and aquatics competition is gender specific.

2. It'd help w/ consistency, as NS Sports other major event for these sports (the Olympics) is gender specific.

I'm.sure, however, there are ways to RP around that if most people said they wanted the competition to be genderless like we do here for sports, and simply score every one under the men's formula. But yea, that'd be an important issue to talk about as well, in my opinion.

[Commonwealth of Baker Park]

of course I'd be interested.
If you were going to have a limited athletics meet, I think you'd have to have 100/200/400/800/1500m, 4x100/4x400 relays and 10K. And ?? field events...or maybe no relays and high jump/long jump or shot/discuss?
Swimming same thing, I think you'd have to have 3 or 4 sprints, a couple of longer races and maybe an IM and diving.

It's doable, and probably would generate a fair amount of interest, IMO.

[Liventia]

Civil Citizenry used to run a Water World Championships, of which there have been three (I think) four (last in 2012). So no, this would certainly not be the first aquatics world championship.

On the athletics side, Krytenia ran the most recent NS-wide non-Olympic meet (although not officially called a world championships, it was certainly at world championship level, and I would argue he has first refusal on the 'athletics world championships' name).

The main obstacle, as far as I can see, is a full complement of events (which you are not proposing) would be a lot of work for what would be relatively little RP (the water world championships went beyond just the regular aquatics events, but also included other water sports like canoeing and rowing). As a host that's just a bit underwhelming.

My strong suggestion would be to choose one of the sports and stick to it, running a full programme; not a mix. If it is to be a mix, I would advise against calling it a world championship. I also don't believe an event billed as a 'world championship' should have anything other than all the events that would be expected.

Perhaps a better idea, if you want to run a condensed list of events, is a Diamond League-style event of multiple meets with only selected events at each meet. Alternatively, the inaugural Athletics World Cup, with a reduced list of events, is taking place in real-life right now, and that could be an option (although perhaps not as that's an invitational, with no heats involved and straight finals).

[Krytenia]

If you do plan on going with a standalone athletics championship, do feel free to drop me a TG regarding continuation of the NSAC name.

[The glory of england]

I'd definitely be interested.
Since a whole athletics world championship with all events would be a very big ask to rp, perhaps it could be split up between several 'host cities,' rped by different people.
Alternatively, this could also serve as a test for prospective Olympic hosts that the ns community isn't sure about to maybe get some experience in.

- GVH, posting from another account because lazy.

[Banija]

of course I'd be interested.
If you were going to have a limited athletics meet, I think you'd have to have 100/200/400/800/1500m, 4x100/4x400 relays and 10K. And ?? field events...or maybe no relays and high jump/long jump or shot/discuss?
Swimming same thing, I think you'd have to have 3 or 4 sprints, a couple of longer races and maybe an IM and diving.

It's doable, and probably would generate a fair amount of interest, IMO.

I haven't chosen what kind of events I'd run yet, and the 8 or so events isn't a hard number- it's something that could go either up or down, depending on interest and what kind of events people want to do, and what we need to fit. It's a good point to emphasize, though, that if this was to be a combined event, it wouldn't be a full complement of all events that you see at the RL world championships in both aquatics and athletics.

Civil Citizenry used to run a Water World Championships, of which there have been three (I think) four (last in 2012). So no, this would certainly not be the first aquatics world championship.

On the athletics side, Krytenia ran the most recent NS-wide non-Olympic meet (although not officially called a world championships, it was certainly at world championship level, and I would argue he has first refusal on the 'athletics world championships' name).

The main obstacle, as far as I can see, is a full complement of events (which you are not proposing) would be a lot of work for what would be relatively little RP (the water world championships went beyond just the regular aquatics events, but also included other water sports like canoeing and rowing). As a host that's just a bit underwhelming.

My strong suggestion would be to choose one of the sports and stick to it, running a full programme; not a mix. If it is to be a mix, I would advise against calling it a world championship. I also don't believe an event billed as a 'world championship' should have anything other than all the events that would be expected.

Perhaps a better idea, if you want to run a condensed list of events, is a Diamond League-style event of multiple meets with only selected events at each meet. Alternatively, the inaugural Athletics World Cup, with a reduced list of events, is taking place in real-life right now, and that could be an option (although perhaps not as that's an invitational, with no heats involved and straight finals).

I figured as much, in the long history of NS Sports, there'd be no way there'd be zero athletics or aquatics world championships tried- however, in my time here, I've never seen anything of the sort.

All of those ideas make sense- I reckon I'd need to look into all of that closely. Though, of course, the world championships idea for an event like this without all of the expected events... What you're saying there makes quite a bit of sense, in my opinion, and is definitely something that I'd follow.

I also didn't propose running an entirety of one(athletics OR aquatics), as since it had been so long since either had happened, I would imagine that interest would be.... Probably not as strong.

The Diamond League style, of course, would be an interesting idea- not something I've heard of until I looked up in response to this. Intriguing, though I feel a singular event would work better for something like this.

[South Toronto]

I'd be interested in this.

[Razenthuria]

I think this or something similwar attempted by Star United States (?) can't exactly remember but I think non-Olympic competitions for Olympic sports is definitely something thst can gain traction. Not sure how much rp I can cram in between my non-forum nation and all my sporting events on NS Sports but I would def be interested in being the Ethiopia of athletics. .
- RZN

[West Phoenicia]

West Phoenicia would be interested.

Having a Separate Aquatics Event and Athletics event might look good too. That way your only tackling one genre of sport at a time.
But West Phoenicia would roleplqy of such events were held.

[Shofercia]

I'm interested, and I can probably commit to one or the other; maybe to both, not sure about that.

[Kelssek]

Might I make a bold suggestion, if you are keen to run an event like this you're about 1/3rd of the way to doing the Olympics. Why not try and find someone else (sorry, not me this time) interested in doing the same to co-host the Olympics with?

I don't mean to suggest what you're suggesting here doesn't have merit, but it seems like you might as well go big here.