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by Athara Magarat » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:15 am
Menna Shuli wrote:Who is running Argus?
by Menna Shuli » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:44 am
by Dormill and Stiura » Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:47 am
Menna Shuli wrote:I suppose it would make most sense for me to join CEFA then.
by Verdon » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:11 pm
by Corindia » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:03 am
Verdon wrote:2. A note on realism - this one's not necessary, but it's something to think about: There's already a whole lot of 7,8,9 teams in the qualifier threads.
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by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:34 am
Corindia wrote:Verdon wrote:2. A note on realism - this one's not necessary, but it's something to think about: There's already a whole lot of 7,8,9 teams in the qualifier threads.
I've gone lower than that in the past two years in any number of TWI sports tournaments and my team's have just ended up unceremoniously losing. Maybe if there was some system that randomly, or partially randomly, determined how good teams were or boosted teams based on activity in TWI sports that could be a way to get a better mix. As is, particularly after seeing the MFSC thread, I'm reluctant to do anything at all to handicap my team when it will most likely keep it from ever being in contention.
by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:48 am
Verdon wrote:A couple of things:
1. I'm not too keen on the idea of NPCs being allowed to enter the tournament. Yes, it's more realistic, but this could easily rob someone the chance to compete further in the tournament - or even at all, considering qualifiers - and subsequently give an extra chance to someone who already has one. If NPCs are needed to fill out the number of nations in the qualifiers, okay - but I'd really rather see them as low stat teams with very little chance of qualifying.
2. A note on realism - this one's not necessary, but it's something to think about: There's already a whole lot of 7,8,9 teams in the qualifier threads.
Remember, unless soccer/football is a top sport in your nation, you're not going to be producing a top-tier national football team. I know that this is going to be true for many of you since it is the world's most popular sport, but remember - If there's not as much interest in a sport in your nation, you're less likely to have resources invested in youth systems, high quality training facilities, good domestic leagues, and venues for invested fans (revenue from tickets and merchandise drives all sports). For example, there's a reason why South Asia is so dominant in Cricket, Canada and the Nordic Countries in Ice Hockey, Japan and the U.S./Caribbean in Baseball - these are areas where those sports have the most prominence. I know everyone wants to do well and go far in the tournament, participating as much as they can, but don't be afraid to spec your team lower - A bad defeat can be a much more interesting story to write about than a low scoring victory.
by Corindia » Fri Jun 15, 2018 7:57 am
Menna Shuli wrote:Verdon wrote:A couple of things:
1. I'm not too keen on the idea of NPCs being allowed to enter the tournament. Yes, it's more realistic, but this could easily rob someone the chance to compete further in the tournament - or even at all, considering qualifiers - and subsequently give an extra chance to someone who already has one. If NPCs are needed to fill out the number of nations in the qualifiers, okay - but I'd really rather see them as low stat teams with very little chance of qualifying.
2. A note on realism - this one's not necessary, but it's something to think about: There's already a whole lot of 7,8,9 teams in the qualifier threads.
Remember, unless soccer/football is a top sport in your nation, you're not going to be producing a top-tier national football team. I know that this is going to be true for many of you since it is the world's most popular sport, but remember - If there's not as much interest in a sport in your nation, you're less likely to have resources invested in youth systems, high quality training facilities, good domestic leagues, and venues for invested fans (revenue from tickets and merchandise drives all sports). For example, there's a reason why South Asia is so dominant in Cricket, Canada and the Nordic Countries in Ice Hockey, Japan and the U.S./Caribbean in Baseball - these are areas where those sports have the most prominence. I know everyone wants to do well and go far in the tournament, participating as much as they can, but don't be afraid to spec your team lower - A bad defeat can be a much more interesting story to write about than a low scoring victory.
A 7 is barely above average. If teams are competing at this level, an aggregate of 7 would be considered the bare minimum for qualification: even the worst teams to have qualified for FIFA would be a 6 or a 7.
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by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:07 am
Corindia wrote:Is the 1-9 ranking all teams in the world or all qualified teams though? It's probably more helpful if it just ranks the qualified teams so that there are more than four levels of skill. Not that I think acknowledging that will be able to fix the enormous drift towards higher numbers.
by Corindia » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:23 am
Menna Shuli wrote:Corindia wrote:Is the 1-9 ranking all teams in the world or all qualified teams though? It's probably more helpful if it just ranks the qualified teams so that there are more than four levels of skill. Not that I think acknowledging that will be able to fix the enormous drift towards higher numbers.
If the 1 - 9 only ranks qualified teams, I might alter my rankings. I assumed it was for every professional team.
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by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:32 am
Corindia wrote:Menna Shuli wrote:A 7 is barely above average. If teams are competing at this level, an aggregate of 7 would be considered the bare minimum for qualification: even the worst teams to have qualified for FIFA would be a 6 or a 7.
Is the 1-9 ranking all teams in the world or all qualified teams though? It's probably more helpful if it just ranks the qualified teams so that there are more than four levels of skill. Not that I think acknowledging that will be able to fix the enormous drift towards higher numbers.
by Corindia » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:36 am
Dormill and Stiura wrote:Corindia wrote:Is the 1-9 ranking all teams in the world or all qualified teams though? It's probably more helpful if it just ranks the qualified teams so that there are more than four levels of skill. Not that I think acknowledging that will be able to fix the enormous drift towards higher numbers.
I don't understand the distinction, the 1-9 rankings are global for all teams, whichever team advances far enough in the qualifiers to be qualified for the Isles Cup are qualified, regardless if that team has skills lower than 7 or higher.
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by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:48 am
Corindia wrote:Dormill and Stiura wrote:I don't understand the distinction, the 1-9 rankings are global for all teams, whichever team advances far enough in the qualifiers to be qualified for the Isles Cup are qualified, regardless if that team has skills lower than 7 or higher.
Is a 1 equivalent to the worst team present or the worst professional team reasonably imaginable (TWI probably would have teams like this, but I doubt anyone has bothered to put them to text)?
by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:15 am
by Verdon » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:31 pm
Corindia wrote:I've gone lower than that in the past two years in any number of TWI sports tournaments and my team's have just ended up unceremoniously losing. Maybe if there was some system that randomly, or partially randomly, determined how good teams were or boosted teams based on activity in TWI sports that could be a way to get a better mix. As is, particularly after seeing the MFSC thread, I'm reluctant to do anything at all to handicap my team when it will most likely keep it from ever being in contention.
by Polar Svalbard » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:43 pm
by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:55 pm
Polar Svalbard wrote:I think Verdon makes a salient point. It shouldn't feel completely hopeless to compete against teams like Nors or others who have large stats. It should not feel as though it's a foreign conclusion who's going to win.
by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:13 pm
Menna Shuli wrote:Polar Svalbard wrote:I think Verdon makes a salient point. It shouldn't feel completely hopeless to compete against teams like Nors or others who have large stats. It should not feel as though it's a foreign conclusion who's going to win.
*foregone conclusion
That's my point. I have no reasonable chance of actually making it past the first round, and my stats are still, technically, "above average" with an aggregate 5.5. It's like, why even participate at that point? There's no drama in it.
by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:15 pm
Dormill and Stiura wrote:Menna Shuli wrote:*foregone conclusion
That's my point. I have no reasonable chance of actually making it past the first round, and my stats are still, technically, "above average" with an aggregate 5.5. It's like, why even participate at that point? There's no drama in it.
It’s entirely possible to set up a tournament for lower skilled teams or non-qualifiers. The IFAF could also set up friendlies between any mixture of countries or skills (I’ve thought about how the CU would play into this and I suspect they would also want to do something between each other), then there’s also club tournaments like how Michigonia has handled the GFA Champions Cup.
I am entirely open to suggestions on how to handle this without needlessly buffing or nerfing everybody involved while keeping things exciting for everybody.
by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:27 pm
Menna Shuli wrote:Dormill and Stiura wrote:It’s entirely possible to set up a tournament for lower skilled teams or non-qualifiers. The IFAF could also set up friendlies between any mixture of countries or skills (I’ve thought about how the CU would play into this and I suspect they would also want to do something between each other), then there’s also club tournaments like how Michigonia has handled the GFA Champions Cup.
I am entirely open to suggestions on how to handle this without needlessly buffing or nerfing everybody involved while keeping things exciting for everybody.
I only set my team as lower skill because I knew we needed weaker teams. I really didn't want to. Setting up tournaments for lower skill teams seems needlessly patronizing.
by Menna Shuli » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:34 pm
by Dormill and Stiura » Fri Jun 15, 2018 3:54 pm
Menna Shuli wrote:For me its not so much that I want to win, but that I want to have the reasonable potential to, because that allows for drama in the waiting. Now, as things stand, maybe the RNG gives me an underdog victory once or twice, but there's no drama in knowing that, statistically, the chances of even reaching the quarterfinals is infinitesimal. Drama in sports comes from the potential that anyone can win. It's why the Marlies don't play in the NHL and why the British leagues use consolidation.
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