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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:36 pm

Savojarna wrote:
Vangaziland wrote:Scheduling both events at the same time might not work for a lot of people. It would take a lot of writing to be competitive in both. Or someone could just write one article for each, but that's going to add up. Especially as other sports rotate over that long time span. I get that feeder series run congruent with F1 in real life. Still, that'd take a major effort. More likely, the WGP2 might just get less attention.

Imagine having to come up with two separate story lines, two race weekends, two-four driver reactions..... Unless we put them in the same forum. That would have to mean shared RP bonus, where articles count for both regardless of which side you mention. But that would be a lot for one host, so that likely wouldn't happen.

If it has to be skipped until after next WGPC, it wouldn't be so bad.


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I think it would be totally possible to have a two-host team where one is responsible for the WGP2 and one for the WGPC, with the possibility of covering each other if required. Given that we manage to have two hosts for other competitions such as the World Cup, I don't see a reason why WGPC couldn't follow a same way. In fact, I think it should because of three reasons:

1) it keeps away the slight confusion IC'ly of either having the season for motor racing split neatly in two (which means one has to run in winter, which I guess does work if some countries don't have winter/have mild winters/have reversed seasons, but still is rather weird), or having them alternate; running them next to each other means that you can have a lot more interaction between series regarding roleplay and possibly promote/relegate drivers during seasons, which I think raises interesting possibilities for storylines.

1.5) I think this warrants its own point but is connected to 1), if someone has to drop out for a month or two OOC, like me last season, they could roleplay it as their driver being injured and have a replacement step in. That means that we get both more activity and the team doesn't get shafted in the Constructor's, and we get less pressure to RP. I felt really bad for Mattijana last season because my thesis forced me to stop RPing for a while (and when I had time again I couldn't really get back into the flow of things and quit altogether), and that would have been alleviated if we could easily have promoted a Junior MRT driver. Now, I know this is possible in SQ as well, but I think the hurdle may be higher when it's an IC resigning of an OOC unknown person, rather than "let's pull up this guy that has been RP'ing for my team already in the WGP2".

2) I think that it helps WGP2 to fulfil its role as an OOC feeder because people are more likely to be highly involved when more is at stake. That means people are more likely to be willing to take over WGP2 teams because they feel like it's a spotlight role, and because it's essentially less work. I don't wanna run SVJ Racing in the WGP2 again because I have very limited time and energy to RP, and I'd rather spend that on top-tier competition. But if the two were fused, I'd happily run an SVJ team again and only devote every other RP or so to it, while using the other half to RP Sigur driving in the WGPC.

3) With the WGP2 in there with the big boys, I feel like you get more pull with new people. I feel like there hasn't been much interest in WGP2 from the non-racing community, whereas we already tend to struggle to find drives for WGPC. I think that with the two tiers united, people would not experience not finding a ride as often, hence be more interested in racing and more likely to stick with us. Higher appeal is good, if you ask me.

After discussing this topic with VilTur on Discord, I've been meaning to expand my arguments to write a critique of and response to your post for a little while, Savojarna. I should say first, though: thank you! Your points are clear and strong and I'm grateful to you for putting down a thesis for which I can attempt to write an antithesis and with which synthesis may be possible. If anyone's reading this without reading Savojarna's post first, please do so; it's good stuff!

Here we go, then:

1) People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbley wobbley, timey wimey... Stuff. In all seriousness, though, while I was also in the camp of wanting a clear and consistent timeframe established for the WGP2 relative to the WGPC, I think now that it's a better idea to handwave the whole thing with NS multiversal weirdness and let people have the narrative freedom of being able to determine when the WGP2 is taking place as relates to their storylines. We're all in this to create something, after all; why tie ourselves down where we don't have to? As for the question of whether winter running could work in-universe, the current F1 season lasts from March to December; the problem is most definitely solvable! In all fairness, though, the potential for more mid-season driver swaps does sound interesting; I doubt it'd happen much among the teams at the sharper end, gunning for the Drivers' Championship, but on the lower end that would probably be more frequent. That leads to my second point, however...

2) ...which would be my concerns over potential damage to the RP itself as compared to now. These are what I primarily discussed with VilTur and thus are the best-developed points here.

Firstly, I'm a little confused as to how putting the WGP2 alongside the WGPC would make the WGP2 more visible as compared to now. If anything, I'd worry that it would do the opposite, pushing it into the shadow of the WGPC and leading those participating to think that their successes in the WGP2 are second-rate compared to those of the WGPC; juxtaposition emphasises contrasts, as people who have studied literature will know. Compare this to the current situation, in which those successful in the WGP2 get their own moment in the Sun with little interference from the WGPC; I'd note Janne Laukkanen from last season's WGP2 as a prominent example of success being given significant, unchallenged exposure by the series, even if he wasn't the creation of a new user.

Secondly, and this concerns my greater worry, there is the argument that combining the two series will reduce the demands that they place on roleplayers, particularly in terms of time. I fear that they could actually have an effect close to the opposite of that. Placing the WGPC and the WGP2 in the same space of time would mean that those writing for both would have to make a choice: either they try to write the same amount as they would have written for both separately in half the time, which I know would burn me out rapidly and imagine would do the same to others, or they cut down on the amount of writing for each, which would leave less time to explore narrative and character arcs and would probably lead to growth in each being rushed - several of the posts of WGPC 17 that I was most proud of were also some of the longest (the livery reveal and Ryker's near-win in Filindostan especially stand out in my mind) and these just wouldn't have been feasible if I was trying to write for the WGP2 at the same time. I do have a proposal to try to alleviate some of the roleplaying pressure of the WGPC/WGP2 cycle that I'll get to shortly but I don't think that the way to do it is to cram the same competitions into half of their current space.

3) These are good points and, broadly speaking, I don't disagree with them. Using the magnetism of the WGPC to draw people into WGP2 would probably work, leaving aside the problems relating to achievements in the latter being overshadowed that were discussed above. That being said, I don't think that this potential benefit outweighs the potential negative consequences of placing the WGP2 season alongside that of the WGPC as they have been set out here.

Now, as far as I have been able to identify, there were two major problems with the current setup of the WGP2 set out in Savojarna's post: firstly that it isn't being as effective as a feeder series for new roleplayers as it could be and secondly that the work of trying to write for both full WGPC and WGP2 seasons can be too high. These are concerns that I've had in the past too and that I think do need a solution, if not this one. As such, I'd like to propose an alternative: instituting a word limit for WGP2 roleplaying, probably on a per-week basis.

The WGPC, as I have alluded to, is a roleplaying environment that I feel should be restricted as little as possible and, in general, I think that this principle should apply to the WGP2 as well. Writing is better where the writer's imagination is allowed to flow checked only in the interests of that writing. Again, I was very happy with my longer posts in the last WGPC (I hope that other people enjoyed them too!) and I believe that the WGPC should always be a space for that kind of creative freedom. That being said, one of the WGP2's main purposes is to allow new players to get into WGP competition more easily than jumping into the WGPC and, though the WGP2 has for the past two years been less competitive than the previous WGPC, the standard for roleplay has remained very high, sometimes intensely so. By imposing a hard limit on the amount of writing that a roleplayer needs to put out to be competitive, new roleplayers would not only be able to fully involve themselves with the WGP2 far more easily but also be empowered to hone their writing by applying a greater depth of focus to each piece, making the WGP2 a better stepping stone to the WGPC than it is now both by being more engaging and by encouraging the growth of the skills that are valued there. There's also the advantage that it would make the WGP2 easier to run, since there wouldn't be as much to read and grade each week; this would provide a stepping stone for hosts, then, as well, allowing people to cut their teeth on running the WGP2 before moving up to help organise the WGPC if they so wish.

Moreover, this change would also significantly reduce the pressure on those competing in both competitions. Instead of a second series into which most of the veteran roleplayers would (because, let's be honest, we would) continue to invest substantial amounts of time, a word-limited WGP2 would create a period of less intense, more relaxing roleplay that still allowed for the continuation of overarching plots. Personally, I think that could be quite enjoyable!

Ultimately, I think that the core of the WGP2's issues is that it's fundamentally similar to the WGPC while trying to accomplish different goals. Matching the timing of the WGP2 to that of the WGPC wouldn't change that while causing several other problems. Instead, if we want the WGP2 to do different things, I say that we make it different.

My word, that took an hour to write. Thank you for reading this; further discussion and ideas in any direction would be appreciated!
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Postby Lisander » Tue Sep 24, 2019 5:44 pm

There's a lot of interest in Grand Prix Racing. These are some recent threads with intentions of starting formulae categories:

Gristol-Serkonos - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=471129
Pambudia - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=470235
Sinyal - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=467034
Sjovenia - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=465912

All of them lacked continuity. I heavily believe these nations should be invited to take part in WGP2.

One thing I noticed is the little care with scorinators. It makes me wonder: Is The Racing Scorinator so important to the WGPO? I value the effort of Audio, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better, perhaps, smaller categories to use xkoranate? That would save time, in a way.
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:30 am

Lisander wrote:There's a lot of interest in Grand Prix Racing. These are some recent threads with intentions of starting formulae categories:

Gristol-Serkonos - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=471129
Pambudia - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=470235
Sinyal - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=467034
Sjovenia - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=465912

All of them lacked continuity. I heavily believe these nations should be invited to take part in WGP2.

One thing I noticed is the little care with scorinators. It makes me wonder: Is The Racing Scorinator so important to the WGPO? I value the effort of Audio, but I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better, perhaps, smaller categories to use xkoranate? That would save time, in a way.

You have my full agreement with the idea of bringing those nations into the WGPO fold, Lisander. As for potentially using xkoranate, I'd argue that the scorinator is less important than the roleplaying environment as a whole; whether xkoranate contributes to a better or equal
roleplaying environment than the Racing Scorinator or a sufficiently good one as compared to it, I couldn't say. I'd also suggest that the Racing Scorinator, at least in my experience, is actually pretty easy to get the hang of... Could this perhaps be a problem of awareness rather than of complexity?
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Postby Lisander » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:51 am

Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:I'd also suggest that the Racing Scorinator, at least in my experience, is actually pretty easy to get the hang of... Could this perhaps be a problem of awareness rather than of complexity?


The problem with it is: People doesn't have the same experience. Xkoranate is a simpler choice, even if limited. It generates results easier and quicker. It would be useful to score a spec-series, for example, when only driver abilities matter. More on it you already read on Discord.
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:12 am

Lisander wrote:
Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:I'd also suggest that the Racing Scorinator, at least in my experience, is actually pretty easy to get the hang of... Could this perhaps be a problem of awareness rather than of complexity?


The problem with it is: People doesn't have the same experience. Xkoranate is a simpler choice, even if limited. It generates results easier and quicker. It would be useful to score a spec-series, for example, when only driver abilities matter. More on it you already read on Discord.

To be fair, I have also fiddled around with Xkoranate and made very little headway... As you say, though, that's subjective and anecdotal. I agree, other scorinating systems could work; let's make sure that people know about all of them so they can use what's best for the given situation!
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Postby Liventia » Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:49 am

Xkoranate and the Racing Scorinator are, really, two sides of the same coin. Both are based on the original NSF1GP scorinator Casari wrote. It's arguable that xkoranate may be easier to use. As it has no instructions, I would think the Racing Scorinator would still be more straightforward as that has an in-built guide, at the very least. It's also far easier to keep track of everything else, such as points totals, on the Racing Scorinator. Xkoranate doesn't afford that.

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Postby Joushiki Nante Iranai » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:42 am

Liventia wrote:Xkoranate and the Racing Scorinator are, really, two sides of the same coin. Both are based on the original NSF1GP scorinator Casari wrote. It's arguable that xkoranate may be easier to use. As it has no instructions, I would think the Racing Scorinator would still be more straightforward as that has an in-built guide, at the very least. It's also far easier to keep track of everything else, such as points totals, on the Racing Scorinator. Xkoranate doesn't afford that.

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La Montevideo wrote:Hi


Hi.

WGPC17 ended a while ago, so it's not taking new sign-ups. You'll need to wait for a new season to start.
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Postby La Montevideo » Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:22 am

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Hi.

WGPC17 ended a while ago, so it's not taking new sign-ups. You'll need to wait for a new season to start.

When Will A New Season Start?

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Postby Lisander » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:42 am

La Montevideo wrote:When Will A New Season Start?


I believe the next season should start around February, as the last season. As a newcomer, I suggest you to use this time to develop your driver.
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Postby Recuecn » Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:17 am

I fit into the newcomer demographic as well. In the absence of WGP2 this year, what's the best way to develop a driver in the off-season? Or did you just mean create the character?
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Recuecn wrote:I fit into the newcomer demographic as well. In the absence of WGP2 this year, what's the best way to develop a driver in the off-season? Or did you just mean create the character?

Create a character, aye.
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Postby Lisander » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:35 pm

You can always get first posts ready in advance, so you'll have some time to think in the next and in the offers. You can even make yourself some questions to start developing a background a little more solid:

Do my driver have sponsors? If yes, who we are? They can buy him/her a seat in a big team?

What teams of the last season he/she liked the most?

How does my driver deal with teammates and pit crew? Will my driver have some related people?

Do my driver have some interesting trait that can be used in future roleplays, like "she's a pyromaniac" "he's 12,5% elf" "she have a twin sister that can take her place without anyone notice"?


In my case, I'm about to start re-reading through my older posts to decide the future of Juliano Lemos, Lourdina Westgrens and Darius Castellammare, and maybe give more space to younger drivers like Athan Lille and Mor Holstein.
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Fri Dec 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Your enquiries are well-timed, La Montevideo, Recuecn!

A Bid by

The Nexus Wardship of Former Citizens of the Nimbus System

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WGP2
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To foster imagination.


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I, the user responsible for the Nexus Wardship of Former Citizens of the Nimbus System (I am commonly known in the community as ‘Nimbus’; hello!), have been a Formula racing fan for as long as I can remember, a member of NationStates for approximately three years and participating in WGPO-affiliated events for the latter two-and-a-half. My WGP experience sums to three WGPC seasons and two WGP2 seasons, in which my team, Nexus Racing, and driver, Ryker Lane, have frequently battled at the sharp end of the field, claiming a first and third place in Drivers’ Championships and two second places in Constructors’ Championships. I have maintained what I hope is considered a high level of quality in my writing for each competition, with a focus on themes of innovation, human diversity, harmony and will and the nature of competition and achievement. Most relevantly, I am familiar with the Racing Scorinator produced by Audio, having completed the running of a WGP3 season set in the Wardship, the ‘World Grand Prix Imagination League’ or ‘WGPi’; I was able to scorinate events with relative regularity, excepting the last event whose delays can be put down to an attempt to use an irregular race format which I will not be repeating here. Given this experience, I believe that I am in a position to run a well-organised competition that will adhere to the values and culture of the WGPO community while simultaneously instantiating new ideas and practices that will be to its benefit.

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Schedule: Should this bid be accepted, a signup thread will be posted in the NationStates Sports forum within the next few days; this thread will be used for the submission and acceptance of circuits, teams, tyre suppliers and drivers. After an period of approximately two weeks, circuit, team and tyre supplier submissions will be closed and the pre-season negotiation period will begin. This phase will then last for three weeks before the first race is held. The competition as a whole is planned to run from January to late March or April.

Scorination: As the only scorinator that I have personal experience in using and one well-equipped to run a season as set out in this bid, I will use Audio’s Racing Scorinator, with a small modification to allow RP bonus to apply to tyre suppliers that has been looked over by Audio and tested successfully, for the purpose of scorinating each event. Races will be scorinated for an approximate race distance of 180 kilometres at 90% of WGPC speed; RP bonus and reliability modifiers will be maintained at WGPC standards, while the Experience metric will not be used so as maintain newcomers’ ability to be successful.

Signups:

  • Drivers: Any user will be permitted to submit and roleplay up to two drivers for the season. Drivers will be permitted to be of any gender or species (the latter so long as they are capable of driving), in alignment with WGPO standards. The format for driver profiles (minor modification acceptable) will be as follows:
    Code: Select all
    Name:
    Name Trigram:
    Nationality:
    Nationality Trigram:
    First Preference Car Number:
    Second Preference Car Number:
    Reliability/Aggression/Technique (total: 12, max. per stat: 5):
    Bio:

    Note: Previous WGP2 seasons have designated an official tyre supplier for narrative benefits, reducing the burdens of cost and development placed on newer teams. While this is useful, the Wardship is actively known in-universe for producing particularly poor tyres. As such, the narrative opportunity has been taken to commission three tyre suppliers – Solymok, Stellenbosch and Tropicorp – to manufacture tyres for the competition that will be available to all teams, creating potential for collaborative roleplaying, while opening up the choice for teams to use other tyres should they wish.
  • Tyre Suppliers: Any user will be permitted to submit and roleplay up to one tyre supplier. A tyre supplier may choose to sign or not sign a supply deal with any team (excepting the three commissioned for the competition, which will be obligated to supply their tyres to any team) but will be obligated to offer tyres to any team that they sign a deal with for the season’s course. The format for tyre supplier profiles (minor modification acceptable) will be as follows:
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    Name:
    Nationality:
    Nationality Trigram:
    Reliability/Traction (total: 0, max. per stat: 1, min. per stat: -1):
    Bio:

  • Teams: Teams will be selected for the season from submissions and not be permitted to participate otherwise; approximately eight to ten teams will be selected, depending on the quality of submissions. A user will be permitted to submit up to one team; each team may field two drivers (with the possibility of expansion to three drivers per team should a disproportionately large number of drivers be submitted) and sign a deal with one tyre supplier, whose relationships with the team may be pre-determined or determined during the pre-season. To keep spaces open for newcomers’ drivers and encourage collaborative roleplaying, users with one or more season(s) of experience in a WGPO competition will not be permitted to field more than one of their own drivers in their own team. Experience in WGPO-affiliated events will be an important consideration for a team’s acceptance into the season but will not be prioritised to the exclusion of roleplaying experience elsewhere on NationStates or well-written profiles. The format for team profiles (minor modification acceptable) will be as follows:
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    Name:
    Nationality:
    Nationality Trigram:
    Team Colour Hex Code:
    Reliability/Acceleration/Turning (total: 12, max. per stat: 5):
    Bio:

  • Circuits: Circuits will be selected for the season from submissions and not be used otherwise; approximately nine to eleven circuits will be selected, for one official pre-season test, one official mid-season test and eight to ten races (including the season finale at Crossbay Circuit), depending on the quality of submissions. A user will be permitted to submit up to one circuit (with the possibility of expansion to two circuit submissions per user should there not be enough submissions). Heritage, design (including season balance between Aggressiveness and Technical Ability) and profile quality will be weighted equally in considering acceptance of a circuit to the season. Real life circuits and ovals will be prohibited. The format for circuit profiles (minor modification acceptable) will be as follows:
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    Image:
    Name:
    Location (settlement/geographical feature):
    Country:
    Name of Grand Prix:

    Aggressiveness/Technical Difficulty (total: 10):
    Percentage Chance of Rain (max: 18%):
    Overtaking Difficulty (1-5):
    Margin for Error (1-5):

    Qualifying Type (Traditional, Two-Tier, One-Shot, Elimination):
    Lap Record (m:ss.xxx):
    Lap Length (km):
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Specification: Car specification regulations will follow WGPO standards, with a restriction on power output. Beyond this, the form that any car takes will only limited by its creator’s ability to conceptualise.

Sss… Roleplaying: So as to preserve the ability for newcomers to be competitive throughout the season and to lessen the intimidating nature of WGP roleplaying, restrictions on RP length will be put in place. Each user will be permitted a total of 1000 words per race week (simply week in the pre-season) of competition to use across all of their posts (with the exception of a given user’s introduction post for their own circuit). To ensure that users who rely heavily on images in their roleplays are not unfairly advantaged by this, images (including composites formed out of smaller images) will be similarly limited to a maximum size of 250x250 pixels (with the exceptions of a given user’s standard post header, standard car-in-profile or tyre-in-profile images [not including other images of cars or tyres], standard track layout image and minor edits to the above).
Note: As a Nimban-led competition, WGP2 events will be supplied with non-alcoholic beverages, notably for podium celebrations, and food produced to vegetarian and the highest animal welfare standards, preferably locally sourced. Teams with cars which produce carbon emissions while running will also be required to allow the use of a remote Imagination convertor to teleport the carbon to a trackside facility, while the carbon-neutral government-run logistics company, Launchpad, will be available for contract.

Supplement: I may decide to tweak any of the above if I feel it’s important to the healthy functioning of the competition, especially to close egregious loopholes. If you have any questions or suggestions, please either post them here or direct them to me by telegram; I will be glad to receive and answer them.

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Well, here we are. Hi, all!

You’ll know, I’m sure, that we’ve had a few debates over the past months on potential changes to WGP competitions; in particular, they’ve focussed on bringing in new roleplayers, an area where I and some others feel we’ve been lacking. This isn’t to say that we’re at a point of crisis; for me to say so would be especially sensationalist, given the successful and enjoyable running of every WGPC and WGP2 event of which I’ve been a part. Besides, I’m one of the newer people here! This doesn’t mean we shouldn’t change, however; success doesn’t preclude stagnation or complacency and standing still would only leave us vulnerable to those forces. I love this place – for them to catch up with us would be heartbreaking.

If you’ve read my ‘manifesto’ above (or possibly on the previous page), you’ll know that this bid is fundamentally an instantiation of the ideas on the WGP2 that I formulated there, intended to go some way to solve these problems. If you’ve read anything of mine, you’ll also know that I place an emphasis on innovation and harmony. Those are ultimately my two goals here: to welcome in new roleplayers through changes to the WGP2 and to invest them in staying by virtue of cooperative roleplay with current roleplayers. These, in my view, are what we need to maintain a thriving WGP community, one that, with continued reshaping, I want to last for years longer, even decades, so it can bring joy to so many others like it did for me.

Ultimately, I can’t say whether what I’ve proposed above is sure to accomplish it. Regardless, we should try something; thus, I humbly present this bid in the hope that you all think it worthy for us to try. In that I ask you to join me, so we can give it our all.

For the future!

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Hmm... Highland Tire might make an appearance.
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Postby Recuecn » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:16 am

I'm really excited to see this bid, particularly as like I mentioned above, I didn't know this was in the works and was sort of assuming WGP2 was going to be skipped at this point! I don't know how the WGPO goes about accepting bids and I'm pretty sure I don't have a say, but this looks great to me, Nimbus.

Given that I'm finding that when I have time to rp I usually post something like 12-1500 words, I was hesitant at first about the word limit but I think it's a fun ooc parallel to to the power limits on WGP2 cars, and it'll make it easier to participate in a longer event like a WGP season without getting burnt out or having to sacrifice other projects.

Will there be a limit to the *number* of photos allowed, or only their size? And how will you handle it if someone goes over the limits? And a final clarification question just to confirm that if a user had a team, a couple drivers, and a tire supplier, they'd still only be allowed 1,000 words for all of them combined (it's not 1000 words per entity being role-played)?
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:46 am

Recuecn wrote:I'm really excited to see this bid, particularly as like I mentioned above, I didn't know this was in the works and was sort of assuming WGP2 was going to be skipped at this point! I don't know how the WGPO goes about accepting bids and I'm pretty sure I don't have a say, but this looks great to me, Nimbus.

Given that I'm finding that when I have time to rp I usually post something like 12-1500 words, I was hesitant at first about the word limit but I think it's a fun ooc parallel to to the power limits on WGP2 cars, and it'll make it easier to participate in a longer event like a WGP season without getting burnt out or having to sacrifice other projects.

Will there be a limit to the *number* of photos allowed, or only their size? And how will you handle it if someone goes over the limits? And a final clarification question just to confirm that if a user had a team, a couple drivers, and a tire supplier, they'd still only be allowed 1,000 words for all of them combined (it's not 1000 words per entity being role-played)?

My thanks for the feedback! Being honest, I've been hesitant in the past about putting myself forward to run WGP2, fearing my own lack of time and potential bias, but as I say: we need to look towards making change and, in the end, it doesn't matter who makes it so long as it is made. Should this bid go through, I'll do my best to live up to your hopes and my own!

With regard to your questions... The word limit would be a flat thousand words per user, regardless of who or what they are roleplaying, yes. Behind the scenes, RP bonus is handled on a per-user basis rather than being divided by different IC entities, so maintaining the same standard for posts will hopefully keep things fair! With regards to pictures, my current thinking is in limiting the size of images (with the exceptions noted in the profile) but not their number. I did consider other things (like instituting a limit in the number of pixels that a person could use per week as well as words) but VilTur suggested this a while ago and it seems an easily comprehensible way of keeping people from going over the top with things while maximising the ability for people to be creative in this area should they wish. That said, if this system proves to be exploitable somehow, I wouldn't have any problems with changing it. Let's see how it goes! (Note: I meant to put a clause into the bid prohibiting forming larger images out of smaller ones to get around the rule. Fixing that now!)

If someone does break either limit, I have two responses in mind. The first is to politely telegram them asking them to modify their posts so they no longer do so. If they refuse or, more likely, don't get to it in time, the second is to simply ignore the problematic parts of the writing/images in question, either by not reading past the thousand-word mark or not taking into account the image in question. As such a user wouldn't gain anything from attempting to subvert the limitations and would likely lose out as well, given that what would be considered in terms RP bonus would be incomplete. I don't think it's a good idea to rule out anything harsher in case somebody continued to be disruptive, though I hope it won't and doubt it will come to that.
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Postby Recuecn » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:04 am

Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:With regard to your questions... The word limit would be a flat thousand words per user, regardless of who or what they are roleplaying, yes. Behind the scenes, RP bonus is handled on a per-user basis rather than being divided by different IC entities, so maintaining the same standard for posts will hopefully keep things fair!

Your answers to my other questions look great but this confused me. I really was under the impression that the performance of a driver on a race-day was affected by the rps posted for the driver as well as his team (and now his tire provider), which could theoretically be different users, right?
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:44 pm

Recuecn wrote:
Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:With regard to your questions... The word limit would be a flat thousand words per user, regardless of who or what they are roleplaying, yes. Behind the scenes, RP bonus is handled on a per-user basis rather than being divided by different IC entities, so maintaining the same standard for posts will hopefully keep things fair!

Your answers to my other questions look great but this confused me. I really was under the impression that the performance of a driver on a race-day was affected by the rps posted for the driver as well as his team (and now his tire provider), which could theoretically be different users, right?

Ah, apologies - apparently in my attempt to clarify I merely created more confusion! You are quite right. Each post that a user makes is accounted for in an assessment of their RP bonus. That RP bonus is then applied to the cars associated with them - those driven by their drivers, those built by their team and those using their tyres - regardless of what the posts themselves were about. This last point is what I meant to signify; the RP bonus is not divided into driver-, team- and tyre manufacturer-based chunks based on what the RPing was about and then each applied to those IC entities but instead divided based on which user posted what and then each user's whole RP bonus applied to what that user created.

Does that make sense or do I need to adjust my explanatory approach?
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Postby Recuecn » Mon Dec 30, 2019 2:54 pm

Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:Does that make sense or do I need to adjust my explanatory approach?

That makes perfect sense now, thanks so much. Simple enough that now I feel like I should've gotten it the first time lol.

Thanks again for all the explanations and everything. Looking forward to the season.
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Postby Former Citizens of the Nimbus System » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:20 pm

Recuecn wrote:
Former Citizens of the Nimbus System wrote:Does that make sense or do I need to adjust my explanatory approach?

That makes perfect sense now, thanks so much. Simple enough that now I feel like I should've gotten it the first time lol.

Thanks again for all the explanations and everything. Looking forward to the season.

You're more than welcome! I'm much the same way - overinterpret the details and miss the obvious. Happy that you're looking forward to things; let's just hope that enough people feel the same way that there are things to look forward to!
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Postby Audioslavia » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:30 am

All looks in order with this bid. I'll put the deadline as January 5th for any other bids to be submitted before we go to the vote.

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