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Postby The Redvale » Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:50 pm

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WGP2: Planning Thread


What is this? This is a planning thread and interest thread for a WGP2, a feeder series for WGPC that is being developed by some of the players to take place in the long offseason of the main racing competition on the subforum. Below, you'll find the latest talks about the format and the scheduling as well as the circuits and any other details about the competition. This is not a signup thread however, and that will come in the future when the schedule is set.
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Postby The Redvale » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:19 pm

So, I'm reposting this from the other thread because it's currently our one proposal on the format.
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The Redvale wrote:Well, I called it WGP2 because of the resemblance to the former real life feeder series, GP2.

Also, if there is enough interest in a planning thread, I could get that set up.


I'd recommend we set up a thread and link this thread to it for the time being. So which aspects of the things we've discussed so far should be used?

Personally?

1. I'd say we take Hodori's template for all teams.

2. All aero parts are spec parts and cannot be developed, but other parts are free to R&D with.

3. Tracks are generally shorter (such as the Bayview Dome) and races are also shorter, at only 250km instead of 305km.

4. The division will be formally known as WGP2 and act as a feeder series to the WGPC. The WGP2 will be run during the WGPC off-season. Anyone is able to submit applications, which will be fairly the same as the WGPC signup (further details to be discussed later) but of course younger stars will be more prominent.

Any changes to these rules should and must be at least suggested. Which means share your thoughts. ;)

Any comments on this idea, and any alternate ideas out there?

While we're announcing teams, I'll also announce that I'll be running a team with my other nation, the Iron Sydicate, and it will be the developmental team of Axalt Racing Team. The team itself will be known as Corsa Axalt, just like Red Bull has Toro Rosso.
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Postby Esmerel » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:24 pm

(Reposted from this thread)



Anyways, I should also propose a circuit I have for WGP2 (in accordance with reduced track length) which I just felt should be shared. We should probably create a WGP2 interest/discussion thread to avoid overflowing this one, but here you go.

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BIO: The Dome was built in 2015 to facilitate another ESTL race, to avoid the overabundance of street circuits. The fans and drivers loved it, particularly because it wasn't designed by Hermann Tilke, its resemblance to Malaysia's Sepang International Circuit(except for the heat and the rain), the endless turn 6, and the fact that the track is- get this- a completely indoor racing circuit. No rain on their parade, and so all 300,000 spectators of the first and second events (once per year) rose to a standing ovation when the lights went out.

With the announcement of the new WGP2 feeder series, the track was quickly submitted through testing and regulations to obtain a WGPC grade 1 license, as it was the only non-street track in Esmerel that could host a shorter event, bar the West Circuit of Raleigh Hill, but the guys over there didn't feel like it.

The long and winding turn 6 is the track's highlight, encompassing over 1.5 kilometers towards the track's length. At slower speeds, the turn can be taken flat-out, but at higher speeds light lifting is occasionally needed and proper timing to brake for turn 7 is crucial.
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Postby Esmerel » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:27 pm

(Also reposted from the WGPC thread)

So I know that the template Hodori suggested wasn't confirmed to be the template we would use for WGP2, but allow me to present the livery I whipped up:

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Postby The Redvale » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:43 pm

The circuit looks good. My plan was to get all of the WGPC circuit creators to volunteer their tracks for this too, to make it more like the real life feeder series that follows the same tracks as F1, but we can probably squeeze in a few extras like yours and some others. After all, it's a long offseason, so having a long season spread out over a lot of time isn't a terrible idea. I think your format ideas are good too, but the big question is who will actually host it and with what.

Also, I don't like the idea of everyone being forced to use the same template. I have a separate template that's editable in PS that has shading and better textures, I'll be using that for my livery.
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Postby Lisander » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:56 pm

The Redvale wrote:Also, I don't like the idea of everyone being forced to use the same template. I have a separate template that's editable in PS that has shading and better textures, I'll be using that for my livery.

I'm completely into "one-chassis series". It would make a lot easier to manage stuff like cars' and drivers' guide. As well as giving a look nice as hell. This is the one I've used to WGPC15 Bitten Heroes car, but I won't keep it for the next season. It has good shading and textures too.
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Postby Darmen » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:01 pm

I'd be interested to compete with Ilgana Racing and also put forward Ilgana Circuit to host a round of the series.
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Postby The Redvale » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:03 pm

Lisander wrote:
The Redvale wrote:Also, I don't like the idea of everyone being forced to use the same template. I have a separate template that's editable in PS that has shading and better textures, I'll be using that for my livery.

I'm completely into "one-chassis series". It would make a lot easier to manage stuff like cars' and drivers' guide. As well as giving a look nice as hell. This is the one I've used to WGPC15 Bitten Heroes car, but I won't keep it for the next season. It has good shading and textures too.

Even if we go with a single chassis, I'm still going with the template I have to display my livery. I mean, this is what it looks like, for comparison. Though I have to say I'm not really crazy about limiting the development of certain parts because of the chances for RP that it takes away.
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Postby Esmerel » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:39 pm

The Redvale wrote:The circuit looks good. My plan was to get all of the WGPC circuit creators to volunteer their tracks for this too, to make it more like the real life feeder series that follows the same tracks as F1, but we can probably squeeze in a few extras like yours and some others. After all, it's a long offseason, so having a long season spread out over a lot of time isn't a terrible idea. I think your format ideas are good too, but the big question is who will actually host it and with what.

Also, I don't like the idea of everyone being forced to use the same template. I have a separate template that's editable in PS that has shading and better textures, I'll be using that for my livery.


Doesn't sound too bad. My idea was that the tracks would generally be shorter, and while we could get tracks from the proper WGPC series, they'd have to be generally shorter. Not by too much, but still. You have Virtapiiri (Aboveland) at 7.4 km, and my idea was a maximum of six kilometer tracks. Maybe we could use those tracks but have alternate, shorter layouts.

And maybe if we still used a one-make series, as a compromise we could use your template instead...

I have so many more ideas, but it's getting really late where I live and I'll have to post later...
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Postby -Anthor- » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:56 pm

Anthor's definitely interested in partaking!
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Postby West-East Timor » Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:10 am

Katara Racing, development team of a probable future WGPC team, would most likely participate.
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Postby Barunia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:09 am

Esmerel wrote:
The Redvale wrote:The circuit looks good. My plan was to get all of the WGPC circuit creators to volunteer their tracks for this too, to make it more like the real life feeder series that follows the same tracks as F1, but we can probably squeeze in a few extras like yours and some others. After all, it's a long offseason, so having a long season spread out over a lot of time isn't a terrible idea. I think your format ideas are good too, but the big question is who will actually host it and with what.

Also, I don't like the idea of everyone being forced to use the same template. I have a separate template that's editable in PS that has shading and better textures, I'll be using that for my livery.


Doesn't sound too bad. My idea was that the tracks would generally be shorter, and while we could get tracks from the proper WGPC series, they'd have to be generally shorter. Not by too much, but still. You have Virtapiiri (Aboveland) at 7.4 km, and my idea was a maximum of six kilometer tracks. Maybe we could use those tracks but have alternate, shorter layouts.

And maybe if we still used a one-make series, as a compromise we could use your template instead...

I have so many more ideas, but it's getting really late where I live and I'll have to post later...


Alexwood (Barunian track used in WGP S13 & S14) is only 4.1km

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I'm interested; if my drivers will do well enough, I might make them debut in the WGPC proper.

Would a 2,804 km circuit be allowed in the WGP2 series? Like almost everything about my NationStates country, it's at least inspired by a real thing, the Tazio Nuvolari circuit - here, it'd be called the Tazio Zorzi circuit.

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I call dibs on some kind of distant counterpart to the real Formula 2 Trident Racing team, too: Tridens Corse, because their real headquarters are in the city the capital of my NationStates country is based on.

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Postby Kep » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:41 am

I would be interested because why not

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Postby Esmerel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:29 am

Nice to see a lot of interest, and in an appropriate field, this being a junior series and all that can allow a lot of newcomers to make their debut.

Just a reminder this isn't a signup thread and that'll come in about a month or two once more things are organized.
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Postby Barunia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:22 am

Megelan wrote:I'm interested; if my drivers will do well enough, I might make them debut in the WGPC proper.

Would a 2,804 km circuit be allowed in the WGP2 series? Like almost everything about my NationStates country, it's at least inspired by a real thing, the Tazio Nuvolari circuit - here, it'd be called the Tazio Zorzi circuit.


Personally, I'd like to go with the rules for WGPC and continue with the "No real life tracks" rule. It makes it more unique and stops this competition from just being a knock-off of the RL one. From an IC perspective, we can just say that tracks must meet WGPC standards.
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The Committee of Esmerelian Sports would like to present a set of proposed rules for the signups towards the upcoming WGP2 season.

Please note that these rules are neither final nor approved, and are open for discussion, criticism, change, or removal.




2.1: When signing up, drivers will follow this format to become free agents.

Name: Your driver's name.

Nationality: The country they are from. You may include their hometown if you wish.

Identity(Optional): Their gender and race. It doesn't matter what you are, we just need to know.

Trigram: Three letter shortening of their nation's name. Example: A trigram for
Esmerel would be ESM.

Race Number: May range from 2-99. After one season, only the champion will be given the option to use the number 1 if they so choose.

Ability: This category is a representation of the driver's skill. Three numbers show how good the driver is in different categories- Aggression, Cornering, and Reliability. Aggressive drivers are good at overtaking and speed. Cornering-based drivers can navigate a corner better. Reliable drivers can keep the car on the track easier. The values must add up to 12 at the most and no value may be higher than 5 or lower than 1.

Bio: A short description of your driver. Be creative!


2.2: When signing up, teams will fulfill this format to be considered into the season.

Team Name: The name of your team.

Car Ability: Similar to the driver ability stats- aggression, cornering, and reliability. Aggressive cars have better top speed and acceleration. Cornering cars can make turns better. Reliable cars have less chance of part failure. The values must again, add up to 12, with no one stat being higher than 5.

Headquarters: The city your team is based in.

Bio: A short description of your team. Be creative!

An image of the team's car must be included in the signup.


2.3: Tracks up for consideration as hosts for a Grand Prix must follow this format to be accepted. Not all tracks accepted may be used for a race.

Track Name: The name of the track.

City: The nearest town or city to the track. Some tracks are in the city while others are further away.

Country: The country the track is in. It should be the country of the applicant.

Race Name: The name of the race that will take place on this track.

Track Length: The length of one lap around the track. Must be measured in kilometers, but miles may also be included.

Race Laps: This values the number of laps racers will drive around this track in the race. Races are run to a length of 250 km, so divide 250 by the length of the track and round up to the next whole number to get this value.

Track Rating: Similar to Driver and Team stats- Aggression and Technical Ability. Aggressive circuits are fast, wide and overtaking is easy. Technical circuits are slower, have more tricky corners and overtaking may be difficult. The values must add up to 10 and should reflect the image of the track (a very windy circuit shouldn't have an 8 for Aggression)

Qualifying Type: How qualifying for this track's race will go. You can select Traditional, where all drivers will compete to set the fastest time in a 60-minute session where a maximum of 10 laps may be set. You could also select Two-Tier, where the top 10 drivers in session one will move on to a second, 30 minute session where 5 laps may be set. The bottom drivers will line up as they qualified in Session 1, and the top 10 will line up as they qualified in Session 2.

Lap Record: The fastest anyone has driven this track before. If it's not in a WGPC-spec car then please tell us that.

Bio: A short description of the track. Be creative!

An image of the circuit must be included with the signup. The two usual rules are no ovals, and no real life circuits (they can resemble them but they can't be the same as them)


Points will be awarded to the top eight finishers in the following format: 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1.
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Postby The Redvale » Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:33 am

This proposal is the same as WGPC, which helps for continuity purposes, but I do think that we should use the F1 points scale. On another note, I see that there's a lot of interest, but is there anyone actually willing to scorinate? We need to figure that out and figure out which program will be used for that before this can come anywhere close to being an actual competition.
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Postby Barunia » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:00 am

The Redvale wrote:This proposal is the same as WGPC, which helps for continuity purposes, but I do think that we should use the F1 points scale. On another note, I see that there's a lot of interest, but is there anyone actually willing to scorinate? We need to figure that out and figure out which program will be used for that before this can come anywhere close to being an actual competition.


Maybe have multiple scorinators, with each person assigned one or more races. That should help spread the load and possibly help more people become involved in scorination.
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Postby Esmerel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:08 am

The Redvale wrote:This proposal is the same as WGPC, which helps for continuity purposes, but I do think that we should use the F1 points scale. On another note, I see that there's a lot of interest, but is there anyone actually willing to scorinate? We need to figure that out and figure out which program will be used for that before this can come anywhere close to being an actual competition.


Well, that was the F1 points scale from 2003-2008...

And as for who would scorinate, they'd have to have free time on the weekends and know how to format tables well... Considering Lisander started this entire idea, I nominate them as the host.
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Postby West-East Timor » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:10 am

To the rules Esmerel proposed:

As The Redvale said, them being the same as WGPC helps for continuity purposes. Just if we actually make it a One Make series, we'd need no car abilities I guess. If we do same powertrain for all teams or something, but let teams develop their own chassis, they would make sense again.

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The Redvale wrote:This proposal is the same as WGPC, which helps for continuity purposes, but I do think that we should use the F1 points scale. On another note, I see that there's a lot of interest, but is there anyone actually willing to scorinate? We need to figure that out and figure out which program will be used for that before this can come anywhere close to being an actual competition.


Maybe have multiple scorinators, with each person assigned one or more races. That should help spread the load and possibly help more people become involved in scorination.


Might be a good idea, but if some people forget about it it might also cause chaos.

Edit: yeah, as Esmerel posted while I was writing this, Lisander proposed it, so...
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Postby Esmerel » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:38 am

Let me just clarify that I want to go further into depth about how all this is going to go, but right now I'm at school, so...
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Postby -Anthor- » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:42 am

The Redvale wrote:This proposal is the same as WGPC, which helps for continuity purposes, but I do think that we should use the F1 points scale. On another note, I see that there's a lot of interest, but is there anyone actually willing to scorinate? We need to figure that out and figure out which program will be used for that before this can come anywhere close to being an actual competition.

I would be willing to host, or at least scorinate it. I could get in touch with Audio and see how he does it for the WGPC, I think similar scorination to over there would be best since this is intended to be a junior version of it.
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