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by Apox » Thu May 23, 2019 2:42 pm
by Apox » Fri May 31, 2019 1:21 am
by Neu Engollon » Fri May 31, 2019 4:14 am
by Darmen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:55 pm
by Lisander » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:00 am
Darmen wrote:So, this has been a long time in coming, but I finally present to you my ideas on how we can improve the sevens series going forward.
The last time we tried to organize a NSRB Sevens Series, no one put forth a bid and only one person (myself) even expressed interest in hosting a leg of the competition. The series before that ran from Nov. 2017 to Aug. 2018, a period of 10 months, and included only four events hosted by three individuals. The four tournaments generated only 165 forum posts, with the World Cup being the least active tournament with only 24 posts.
So, between the length of the series, and the amount of activity it generated, a few questions come to mind:I for one would like to see the series continue. So, what do I propose?
- Is there actually enough interest in rugby sevens to justify holding a full series?
- If there is a lack of interest, how much does the length of the series affect that interest?
Instead of having the series be a number of individual tournaments hosted individually, the Sevens Series should be organized more similarly to the WGPC. The Series would be hosted by one, potentially two (more on that later), hosts with 8-10 legs before culminating in a Rugby Sevens World Cup.
Hosting
The series would be hosted (from an OOC stand point only) by one player, who would scorinate the entire series. This would mean that host bids would focus on prior hosting experience and scorination method. Now one of the pros of how we ran the series in the past was that it allowed newer hosts an opportunity to scorinate a small, low stress competition to gain experience. I'd like to keep that going, so a second junior partner could be brought on to scorinate one or two of the series legs under the guidance of the senior bidder should the senior bidder choose to do so.
Schedule
Each of the series legs (perhaps with the exception of the World Cup) would be scorinated over a period of two days, with the group stage on day one and the playoffs on day two. An off day (or two) would separate each of the legs. At its shortest (8 legs+two day WC, single off days), the entire series could be held in 26 days. At its longest (10 legs+six day WC, two off days), the entire series could be held in 46 days. For comparison, World Cup 82 lasted 39 days from the start of qualifiers to the final. Of course, the exact schedule would ultimately be up to the selected host(s), but I wanted to describe some scenarios. I think we can all agree that having a Sevens Series of <46 days in length is preferable to one that lasts over 10 months. Hopefully a shorter schedule also generates more interest and maintains that interest throughout the series.
Series Legs
IC hosting of a series leg would occur in a similar way to hosting a Grand Prix in the WGPC. Those who would want to have a tournament hosted in their country would post bids in the sign-up thread that would include venue information and perhaps a short history on rugby sevens in their nation. I'm not certain exactly how we'd choose which ones would make it in, there'd either be a vote or the NSRB VP's would choose.
Hopefully that all makes sense, and hopefully I haven't forgotten anything. If you need any clarification on anything, feel free to ask. Depending on how discussion goes, I think we should open singups for either a full Sevens Series, or just a Sevens World Cup, sometime in early to mid-August.
by Apox » Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:33 pm
by Neu Engollon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:09 pm
Lisander wrote:Darmen wrote:So, this has been a long time in coming, but I finally present to you my ideas on how we can improve the sevens series going forward.
The last time we tried to organize a NSRB Sevens Series, no one put forth a bid and only one person (myself) even expressed interest in hosting a leg of the competition. The series before that ran from Nov. 2017 to Aug. 2018, a period of 10 months, and included only four events hosted by three individuals. The four tournaments generated only 165 forum posts, with the World Cup being the least active tournament with only 24 posts.
So, between the length of the series, and the amount of activity it generated, a few questions come to mind:I for one would like to see the series continue. So, what do I propose?
- Is there actually enough interest in rugby sevens to justify holding a full series?
- If there is a lack of interest, how much does the length of the series affect that interest?
Instead of having the series be a number of individual tournaments hosted individually, the Sevens Series should be organized more similarly to the WGPC. The Series would be hosted by one, potentially two (more on that later), hosts with 8-10 legs before culminating in a Rugby Sevens World Cup.
Hosting
The series would be hosted (from an OOC stand point only) by one player, who would scorinate the entire series. This would mean that host bids would focus on prior hosting experience and scorination method. Now one of the pros of how we ran the series in the past was that it allowed newer hosts an opportunity to scorinate a small, low stress competition to gain experience. I'd like to keep that going, so a second junior partner could be brought on to scorinate one or two of the series legs under the guidance of the senior bidder should the senior bidder choose to do so.
Schedule
Each of the series legs (perhaps with the exception of the World Cup) would be scorinated over a period of two days, with the group stage on day one and the playoffs on day two. An off day (or two) would separate each of the legs. At its shortest (8 legs+two day WC, single off days), the entire series could be held in 26 days. At its longest (10 legs+six day WC, two off days), the entire series could be held in 46 days. For comparison, World Cup 82 lasted 39 days from the start of qualifiers to the final. Of course, the exact schedule would ultimately be up to the selected host(s), but I wanted to describe some scenarios. I think we can all agree that having a Sevens Series of <46 days in length is preferable to one that lasts over 10 months. Hopefully a shorter schedule also generates more interest and maintains that interest throughout the series.
Series Legs
IC hosting of a series leg would occur in a similar way to hosting a Grand Prix in the WGPC. Those who would want to have a tournament hosted in their country would post bids in the sign-up thread that would include venue information and perhaps a short history on rugby sevens in their nation. I'm not certain exactly how we'd choose which ones would make it in, there'd either be a vote or the NSRB VP's would choose.
Hopefully that all makes sense, and hopefully I haven't forgotten anything. If you need any clarification on anything, feel free to ask. Depending on how discussion goes, I think we should open singups for either a full Sevens Series, or just a Sevens World Cup, sometime in early to mid-August.
by Lisander » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:43 pm
Neu Engollon wrote:I think this is, first of all, highly disingenuous to those who have been consistent in hosting NSRB 7's, mainly myself and Lisander.
Neu Engollon wrote:This also seems like more pressure than before. I have noted that it has been debated (in the respective thread) that the soccer/football WC cycle is too intense and not fun for many players. This plan would also turn the NSRB 7s Series into a similar high pressure situation to RP the tournament cycle in order to reach the WC. 46 days of RPing, with minimal breaks? I see no positive outcome in this. Another chance to burn players out on NS Sports RP. Should we also retain some level of individual hosts for NSRB 7s tournaments, this is detrimental to their RL commitments by forcing them to commit to a schedule that might not work for them in maintaining all aspects of their life. Again, major burn out.
by Elejamie » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:55 pm
Lisander wrote:Considering this I think we could have some more things in mind:
1 matchday per day: 1 match per day, in a Rugby Sevens Event, is quite awkward. In my humble opinion, having a roleplay day for every match is too much. It deviates from the quick nature of sevens. I believe the tournament spanning over a weekend would be good enough. Spanning over a weekend, we could have First round in Friday, Knockouts in Saturday and Finals in Sunday.
One tournament each 2-3 weeks: I believe two tournaments per month, like in the real World Rugby Sevens Series, would be a good choice. Preferably in each other weekend. It's a good time to roleplay in between.
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by Ouna » Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:34 am
by Neu Engollon » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:33 am
Ouna wrote:I saw mention further up about being a junior partner (I. E. Hosting/scorinating some events but not being official host). And would like to put myself forward for that if it becomes a thing.
I have experience with xkorinate, and hosting through my domestic football league, and actually hosted a RUWC way back in 2008. However I don't yet have a world fact book and other stuff sorted which I would want to have done before preparing a proper host bid for anything.
Just a little food for thought. I also would potentially do this through my Solenial account since I might have them be my rugby presence on this forum, but will have a think,.
by Neu Engollon » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:31 pm
Ouna wrote:Solenial
by Solenial » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:59 pm
by Neu Engollon » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:54 am
Solenial wrote:Also, just so it doesn't get buried, Kelssek was querying a RUWC further up? What is the current schedule?
by Solenial » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:16 am
Neu Engollon wrote:Solenial wrote:Also, just so it doesn't get buried, Kelssek was querying a RUWC further up? What is the current schedule?
It's not buried, the Exec Board is working on answering that and they will get back to him. Unfortunately, I believe either the R7WC or RLWC is next on the schedule, not the Union WC.
However, there's nothing that says someone can't host a friendly union invitational or tour. I can't guarantee that players would get NSRB sanctioned rank out of it, but still, it's 15 sides action.
by Lisander » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:54 am
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