International Hockey Discussion Thread (OOC, version II)

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

1. I'd like to congratulate Vermark for making the Round of Sixteen right in his first WCoH! Way to go, man!

2. Today, the 8th of February, will be a bye day due to lengthy delay I've had due to personal reasons. I am extremely sorry for this inconvenience....With large number of playoff spots already having been decided, I may eliminate the bye day after MD7.

Just to be clear, is there a bye day today or not?

Today's the bye day!

[Havl]

That loss certainly stings a bit. Can't complain about losing to the Olympics champs, though (unranked or not).

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

That loss certainly stings a bit. Can't complain about losing to the Olympics champs, though (unranked or not).

It certainly was surprising to me...At least you lost to a worthy RPer, unranked or not.

[Havl]

That loss certainly stings a bit. Can't complain about losing to the Olympics champs, though (unranked or not).

It certainly was surprising to me...At least you lost to a worthy RPer, unranked or not.

Absolutely! No complaints there.

[Vermark]

It certainly was surprising to me...At least you lost to a worthy RPer, unranked or not.

Absolutely! No complaints there.

It was a good series. Definitely was hard for me to win it.

[Affiliated South Califan Sprawls]

I had to say something about this...am I off base here?

OOC: Thanks Equestrian for not replying to my TG implying for scorers

OOC: I guess people don't want to submit their scorers. Whatever, thanks for being cooperative guys.

This kind of blatant passive-aggressiveness is clearly unnecessary, isn't it? RPers aren't at your beck and call and may have other responsibilities that they can't control. Everyone occasionally has to work around not having the names of the other team's scorers. Nobody has any special claim to the others' time, and nobody owes you a response on your schedule.

[Nova Anglicana]

I had to say something about this...am I off base here?

OOC: Thanks Equestrian for not replying to my TG implying for scorers

OOC: I guess people don't want to submit their scorers. Whatever, thanks for being cooperative guys.

This kind of blatant passive-aggressiveness is clearly unnecessary, isn't it? RPers aren't at your beck and call and may have other responsibilities that they can't control. Everyone occasionally has to work around not having the names of the other team's scorers. Nobody has any special claim to the others' time, and nobody owes you a response on your schedule.

The tragedy is that if Ontorisa had looked at his opponents' RP permissions, he would have been able to determine whether or not they checked off the "choose my goalscorers" box, which I imagine they did. I think Ontorisa's a first-time participant, which may somewhat explain this. But I'm completely in agreement with you.

[Ontorisa]

I had to say something about this...am I off base here?

OOC: Thanks Equestrian for not replying to my TG implying for scorers

OOC: I guess people don't want to submit their scorers. Whatever, thanks for being cooperative guys.

This kind of blatant passive-aggressiveness is clearly unnecessary, isn't it? RPers aren't at your beck and call and may have other responsibilities that they can't control. Everyone occasionally has to work around not having the names of the other team's scorers. Nobody has any special claim to the others' time, and nobody owes you a response on your schedule.

TG'd, waited patiently. Plus a bunch of them never chose their goalscorers or had a roster to begin with.

Don't sass me dude.

EDIT:

That also isn't passive-aggressiveness, this is more of an impatient and annoyed attitude for your information (that right there was passive-aggressive).

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

I had to say something about this...am I off base here?



This kind of blatant passive-aggressiveness is clearly unnecessary, isn't it? RPers aren't at your beck and call and may have other responsibilities that they can't control. Everyone occasionally has to work around not having the names of the other team's scorers. Nobody has any special claim to the others' time, and nobody owes you a response on your schedule.

TG'd, waited patiently. Plus a bunch of them never chose their goalscorers or had a roster to begin with.

Don't sass me dude.

EDIT:

That also isn't passive-aggressiveness, this is more of an impatient and annoyed attitude for your information (that right there was passive-aggressive).

You got it wrong Ontorisa.

Not everyone has time to respond to your TG or RP right away. There's so thing called RL commitment after all.

If one said yes on RP permissions box, it meant that you have their permission to choose their scorers.

With others not submitting their rosters, that pretty much means that you are free to do whatever you desire with them. It's often done by RPers, in particular Gregoryisgodistan.

So why blame them for leaving it up to you to decide?

[Ontorisa]

TG'd, waited patiently. Plus a bunch of them never chose their goalscorers or had a roster to begin with.

Don't sass me dude.

EDIT:

That also isn't passive-aggressiveness, this is more of an impatient and annoyed attitude for your information (that right there was passive-aggressive).

You got it wrong Ontorisa.

Not everyone has time to respond to your TG or RP right away. There's so thing called RL commitment after all.

If one said yes on RP permissions box, it meant that you have their permission to choose their scorers.

With others not submitting their rosters, that pretty much means that you are free to do whatever you desire with them. It's often done by RPers, in particular Gregoryisgodistan.

So why blame them for leaving it up to you to decide?

Because, I'm not a big fan of deciding who scored and such. What I want to know is how their player scored, what playing style, what type of goal was it, etc.

And yes, I'm aware of RL commitments.

EDIT:

Also, different teams have different playing styles, and I have no clue how different people have their teams set up, for all I know their entire team could be a bunch of goofs and grinders. For example, one might be a conservative offensive-high defence team who focuses mostly on the big body and wicked one-timers. My team focused mostly on agility, intelligence, good passes and mind games (which didn't really help with my shitty 3-3-0 record).

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

You got it wrong Ontorisa.

Not everyone has time to respond to your TG or RP right away. There's so thing called RL commitment after all.

If one said yes on RP permissions box, it meant that you have their permission to choose their scorers.

With others not submitting their rosters, that pretty much means that you are free to do whatever you desire with them. It's often done by RPers, in particular Gregoryisgodistan.

So why blame them for leaving it up to you to decide?

Because, I'm not a big fan of deciding who scored and such. What I want to know is how their player scored, what playing style, what type of goal was it, etc.

And yes, I'm aware of RL commitments.

If you are not a fan of it, then that's going to be a problem for you in this tournament, where the RP level isn't as great or detail-oriented as World Cup. There are teams like Gyatso-Kai, GGS and myself (I have a pretty good hold of my players and have a log on every one of them active this QHL season) but not all's going to be like that.

So you need to develop on how to RP when your opponent's unavailable or not as invested into hockey.

[Ontorisa]

Because, I'm not a big fan of deciding who scored and such. What I want to know is how their player scored, what playing style, what type of goal was it, etc.

And yes, I'm aware of RL commitments.

If you are not a fan of it, then that's going to be a problem for you in this tournament, where the RP level isn't as great or detail-oriented as World Cup. There are teams like Gyatso-Kai, GGS and myself (I have a pretty good hold of my players and have a log on every one of them active this QHL season) but not all's going to be like that.

So you need to develop on how to RP when your opponent's unavailable or not as invested into hockey.

"Not as invested into hockey"

Pretty hard when your entire life you've been attending hockey schools.

Also, different teams have different playing styles, and I have no clue how different people have their teams set up, for all I know their entire team could be a bunch of goofs and grinders. For example, one might be a conservative offensive-high defence team who focuses mostly on the big body and wicked one-timers. My team focused mostly on agility, intelligence, good passes and mind games (which didn't really help with my shitty 3-3-0 record).

I do the whole box record + player scoring thing and I try and keep it professional looking, as if it were a real thing. RPing sans opponent would be probably a migraine for me considering that I expect cooperation from people I RP with since I happily (usually) give my cooperation to them.

If they have commitments, so be it. Because I got a TG from JUR who explained why he had not replied, and you know what? I was cool with it, because I understood something had come up/he had been busy. Semarland and Equestrian? Not so much, not even an acknowledgement TG.

[Nova Anglicana]

If you are not a fan of it, then that's going to be a problem for you in this tournament, where the RP level isn't as great or detail-oriented as World Cup. There are teams like Gyatso-Kai, GGS and myself (I have a pretty good hold of my players and have a log on every one of them active this QHL season) but not all's going to be like that.

So you need to develop on how to RP when your opponent's unavailable or not as invested into hockey.

"Not as invested into hockey"

Pretty hard when your entire life you've been attending hockey schools.

Also, different teams have different playing styles, and I have no clue how different people have their teams set up, for all I know their entire team could be a bunch of goofs and grinders. For example, one might be a conservative offensive-high defence team who focuses mostly on the big body and wicked one-timers. My team focused mostly on agility, intelligence, good passes and mind games (which didn't really help with my shitty 3-3-0 record).

I do the whole box record + player scoring thing and I try and keep it professional looking, as if it were a real thing. RPing sans opponent would be probably a migraine for me considering that I expect cooperation from people I RP with since I happily (usually) give my cooperation to them.

If they have commitments, so be it. Because I got a TG from JUR who explained why he had not replied, and you know what? I was cool with it, because I understood something had come up/he had been busy. Semarland and Equestrian? Not so much, not even an acknowledgement TG.

The point is, even if your opponents are no-roster teams or do not give you the information you seek, you do the best with what you have. If your opponents give you the ability to choose their goalscorers, then choose them. If you like detail, then mention how they scored their goals. If they don't like how you described their goals, they will tell you and at that point and that point only will you have the opportunity to grouse (given that you TG'd them before). Otherwise, be professional. Don't write snippy little OOC notes about your opponents.

NS Sports RPing is so much different from RPing on other sections of the forum. It's not as cooperative as other types of RPing. There are broad guidelines set out and that's all you have to follow. People expect whoever RPs first to tell the story of how the game happened. If there is disagreement, then you work it out.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

With others not submitting their rosters, that pretty much means that you are free to do whatever you desire with them. It's often done by RPers, in particular Gregoryisgodistan.

That is mostly, but not entirely, true. If a nation has an established history in the tournament but for whatever reason didn't get around to posting one that tournament, you shouldn't do anything too extreme. For instance, even though Estope, an established user, didn't post a roster this tournament, I refrained from doing anything too extreme that I knew he wouldn't be OK with it. (I did do somewhat extreme stuff to San Jose Guayabal, another established user who didn't post a roster, but I've done things like what with him in the past and he's been OK with it, so it's different.) Nations who sign up for the first time and never do anything else ever again, including post a roster, are generally fair game for anything. That being said, if you're trying to treat this as some highly realistic, intense thing, you're not going to be doing anything as extreme as I would anyway. I suspect you won't have 600 pound players attempting to crush fans and members of the opposing team no matter who you're playing. I also suspect no players of yours will run into the stands and cut off the private parts of fans who are not wearing shirts. That's not what you're trying to do, and of course, if I were playing you and RPed first, I would respect that.

But the rest of what Quebec and the others said is completely correct. You're going to run into some opponents who don't even bother to post rosters, others who don't even bother to RP, and occasionally you'll get a roster that's posted but doesn't seem to be taking things very seriously, like Hicana, or to a lesser extent, The Sword Bloke. Sometimes these are posted purely for entertainment, sometimes it's out of laziness, sometimes it's because the other user doesn't completely understand how the sport works, and sometimes it's a combination of those. I'm not going to attempt to judge why Hicana and TSB posted those rosters, and they both seem to have an IC reason for being so weird, but the point is you need to make do with what you've got.

[Affiliated South Califan Sprawls]

I had to say something about this...am I off base here?



This kind of blatant passive-aggressiveness is clearly unnecessary, isn't it? RPers aren't at your beck and call and may have other responsibilities that they can't control. Everyone occasionally has to work around not having the names of the other team's scorers. Nobody has any special claim to the others' time, and nobody owes you a response on your schedule.

TG'd, waited patiently. Plus a bunch of them never chose their goalscorers or had a roster to begin with.

Don't sass me dude.

EDIT:

That also isn't passive-aggressiveness, this is more of an impatient and annoyed attitude for your information (that right there was passive-aggressive).

You're being openly hostile now. This is the kind of thing that makes it harder for us to make our case that we're policing ourselves. NS isn't your stage, it's a game for us to share. Nobody owes you a telegram, especially if you're not going to take 5 seconds to see if your opponent allows others to decide their scorers, which most do.

Because, I'm not a big fan of deciding

That sounds like entirely your problem. Spare the rest of us your sniping. Going to hockey school doesn't make you a victim. The rest of the players and the host have laid out a system for you to work this out from game to game. There are plenty of places to ask questions if you don't know how to proceed.

[Ontorisa]

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Ohhh, okay, gotcha man. Seems pretty clear now

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Maybe my hopes got a bit too high for a TG, after all, I got a TG from Allamunic States in about 1-3 hours replying to my question within 2-3 TGs. But I always expect TG replies from people not because "NS Sports is my little stage" ( ), no quite the opposite of that. I do it for all RPs in all forums (II, P2TM), TGing for clarification, asking questions and such to prevent myself from posting something that the other player(s) may not be alright with.

Plus, y'know, I'm a pretty big goof when it comes to NS Sports since it's probably not the most cohesive RPs I've been participating in

EDIT:

Maybe impatience got the better of me, in that case, yeah my OOC comments were probably not the best things to post at the time. But seriously, NS is not my stage? Quite, and I hope that we can clear up that you may not base all of your accusations on my personality/way of thinking/RP style upon one, single, RP thread. So, let's try to keep this as gentlemanly as possible, yes?

[Affiliated South Califan Sprawls]

I'm not male. Thanks for being open minded, though. Other than that, shrugs. We seem to have a mutual understanding on the important points now, so things worked out.

[Ontorisa]

I'm not male. Thanks for being open minded, though. Other than that, shrugs. We seem to have a mutual understanding on the important points now, so things worked out.

Sorry, force of habit

[Vermark]

If you are not a fan of it, then that's going to be a problem for you in this tournament, where the RP level isn't as great or detail-oriented as World Cup. There are teams like Gyatso-Kai, GGS and myself (I have a pretty good hold of my players and have a log on every one of them active this QHL season) but not all's going to be like that.

So you need to develop on how to RP when your opponent's unavailable or not as invested into hockey.

"Not as invested into hockey"

Pretty hard when your entire life you've been attending hockey schools.

Also, different teams have different playing styles, and I have no clue how different people have their teams set up, for all I know their entire team could be a bunch of goofs and grinders. For example, one might be a conservative offensive-high defence team who focuses mostly on the big body and wicked one-timers. My team focused mostly on agility, intelligence, good passes and mind games (which didn't really help with my shitty 3-3-0 record).

I do the whole box record + player scoring thing and I try and keep it professional looking, as if it were a real thing. RPing sans opponent would be probably a migraine for me considering that I expect cooperation from people I RP with since I happily (usually) give my cooperation to them.

If they have commitments, so be it. Because I got a TG from JUR who explained why he had not replied, and you know what? I was cool with it, because I understood something had come up/he had been busy. Semarland and Equestrian? Not so much, not even an acknowledgement TG.

I have your solution. If there are no names, than you can say this for a scoreline:

12:34 GOAL - #01 Right Wing (#02 Center, #03 Left Defenseman)

If you've ever played an EA Sports NCAA video game, all the names are like this because of amateurism rules. Even in the older NHL games, if you played as a irrelevant team like Team Italy or something, the player names would be listed as the position.

My grandfather used to say, "Those who go looking for trouble usually find it." If you consciously try to cause conflict, don't be surprised when a conflict occurs. Also, simple problems generally don't have complex solutions; they more often than not have pretty simple answers.

[Allamunnic States]

I know I wasn't terribly active during the time I was still in the Cup this time around (sorry about that, by the way; meant to post more than I did), but for what it's worth, as one of the relatively old hands on NS Sport at this point (Jeez, that feels weird to say), choosing opponents' scorers is pretty standard, Ontorisa. If they don't furnish a roster or RP information, a decent assumption is use what they're likely entered under.

For instance, no roster? Note that a score occurred, when it was made, which position did it, and that's it. Things like "a [nation name] winger" or "an opposing [position]" are handy for things like that, where you can determine game flow and events without stepping on toes.

As for their philosophy... teams that don't post a score modifier are entered as having a neutral (0) one. With that in mind, whenever that's the case, I tend to treat such teams as playing with a mix of finesse and physicality, and being about as "standard" as is possible for a team. That way, you can avoid, again, stepping on toes if the person comes in late, since odds are you weren't too far off the mark about their team, while still drawing reasonable conclusions about a team you have no information on, so that you can do your role-playing.

All else fails, if the other RPer has serious issues with what you did, so long as you didn't contradict standing roleplay permissions, it's pretty standard for people to TG you if they want something requested. Not responding to *those* TG's is far more annoying, believe me (and when that happens, I usually post my own post, making the changes I think are necessary to my team, and treating mine as canon for my purposes).

Unfortunately, even if you don't like deciding such things, it is something you'll have to get used to; solid RPing in NSSport tends to call for determining match events, even when you don't always have much information from your opponent.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Here's an example of how one can do well even without RP information on it

That being said, it is part of a learning curve, so not the end of the world. Ontorisa had some great RPs this WCoH, and it looks like they'll only get better from this point. Keep up the work!

[Gregoryisgodistan]

As I mentioned earlier, the finalized WCoH rankings post-26 will be available here after Game 5 is played, either tonight or tomorrow. It is currently updated through Game 4 of the finals, meaning everyone's rank points except Gyatso-Kai and Quebec are final. However, the ordinal rank of the top few nations will change since the winner is going to be number 1 due to receiving the full 15. This will bump me down to #2 and Havl down to #3. The loser of Game 5 will be #4 - neither of them would drop behind EQS.

[The Royal Kingdom of Quebec]

Thanks to all who participated and helped out in this edition of the World Cup of Hockey! I hope your time in venues all across the Multiverse and Quebec was pleasant and please come back next time.

I'd also like to give a specific round of thanks to Northern Sunrise Islands, Gregoryisgodistan, Saintland/Free Republics, Valanora, Felix, Yttribia, Vekaiyu, Nephara and Nova Anglicana for scorinating the Quebec games. It was much appreciated.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Rankings updated

[Allamunnic States]

Congratulations to Quebec for a well-run tournament and on the championship! Commiserations to Gyatso-Kai and the other runners-up!